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There Are A Few People Left In The World With Principles And Decency!


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2022 Jul 14, 5:15am   448 views  12 comments

by ohomen171   ➕follow (2)   💰tip   ignore  

#iranandturkey With the sadness of yesterday, there was some very positive news. I found out that there are a few people in the world with principles and decency. They are not afraid to stand up to the very powerful, even if those powerful people have nuclear weapons.
A couple of days ago, there was an announcement with great fanfare that Russia had placed an order with Iran for hundreds of their drones. To me, this was a nightmare scenario. Perhaps Putin was going to pay for all these drones with tactical nuclear warheads for Iran (?) In the best case, this order would be "a huge shot in the arm" for Iran's battered economy. Yesterday Iran had a change of heart. They declined to accept this drone order. The Iranian government went on record saying that it was neutral in the Russia/Ukraine war. Before I leave the subject of Iran, let me praise them. They are incredible engineers. When they went to war with Saddam Hussein in the 1980s, they had a large number of F-14 fighters bought from the US. Sanctions prevented them from getting spare parts and technical support from Grumann Aircraft. Despite this handicap, they kept the F-14s flying. They got combat results with the plane that US designers and military planners did not think was possible. Here is a link if you are curious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KaOQ0EQKfU
Turkey is deeply beholden to Russia. They get all their grain from Russia. They also depend on up to 2.5 million Russian tourists who come to Turkey each year and spend a lot of money. Despite this dependence and the weak state of their domestic economy, Turkey did not like what Putin was doing by blocking Ukraine's grain exports. Ukraine produces 12% of the world's wheat. Only 3% of this crop is being exported now. Turkey is helping here. They also are hosting a major conference in Istanbul with Russia and Ukraine in negotiations to allow the export of this grain crop. The Financial Times of London published a very upbeat article this morning indicating that there could be a positive settlement next week. They also warned there still could be a lot of suffering from hunger and starvation even if the Ukraine wheat exports resume.

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2   AmericanKulak   2022 Jul 14, 9:07am  

Want to piss off a Turk? 2/3 of their genetics are Greek. Of course they were, since the Turkish Nomads could only live in the Anatolian Highlands, but the bulk of the population by far were in the Greek coastal cities of the Aegean and Cilicia...
3   richwicks   2022 Jul 14, 11:08am  

ohomen171 says

Yesterday Iran had a change of heart. They declined to accept this drone order.


I doubt this is true. Iran has been constantly threatened by the United States since 1979, when they rid themselves of the US puppet and traitor the United States installed in 1953 with Operation Ajax. Russia has always been an ally, and I sincerely doubt Iran suddenly changed their mind. There's no sources, and who knows who wrote it, but without sources in this day and age, just ignore it. Sick of the constant unrelenting propaganda.
5   WookieMan   2022 Jul 14, 12:01pm  

ohomen171 says

They are incredible engineers. When they went to war with Saddam Hussein in the 1980s, they had a large number of F-14 fighters bought from the US. Sanctions prevented them from getting spare parts and technical support from Grumann Aircraft. Despite this handicap, they kept the F-14s flying. They got combat results with the plane that US designers and military planners did not think was possible. Here is a link if you are curious:

If it was already built it's not hard to reverse engineer. If they had incredible engineers and STEM education, they'd have nukes by now and be threatening other nations in the region. You take a part that was already made and/or broken and remake it. It's really not all that complicated. It's creating it the first time that is incredible and that what US engineers do.

Germany and a few other countries are on the same level. Iran is not one.
6   HeadSet   2022 Jul 14, 12:26pm  

WookieMan says

If it was already built it's not hard to reverse engineer.

Did not even have to do any reverse engineering. If the Iranians had, for example, 50 F-14s, they could keep 20 aircraft operational by using the other 30 planes as spare part sources.
7   WookieMan   2022 Jul 14, 12:40pm  

HeadSet says

WookieMan says


If it was already built it's not hard to reverse engineer.

Did not even have to do any reverse engineering. If the Iranians had, for example, 50 F-14s, they could keep 20 aircraft operational by using the other 30 planes as spare part sources.

Yup. I guess my point was it's not incredible even if they had to remake the parts on their own. You don't sell a jet, even to a foreign nation without some sort of spec sheet. They weren't stolen. That's why Shaman's post is spot on. They're not incredible engineers.
8   richwicks   2022 Jul 14, 12:43pm  

WookieMan says

If it was already built it's not hard to reverse engineer. If they had incredible engineers and STEM education, they'd have nukes by now and be threatening other nations in the region.


They don't want nuclear weapons.

It's easy to make a nuclear weapon today, what's difficult is purification of the uranium and it's mostly difficult due to cost which is proportional to energy input. Nuclear weapons are only a retaliatory device.
9   komputodo   2022 Jul 14, 1:36pm  

well to start with, the are 2..you and elena
10   RC2006   2022 Jul 14, 1:39pm  

There Are A Few Bots Left In The World With Principles And Decency to reply in their own posts.
11   Bd6r   2022 Jul 14, 2:06pm  

ohomen171 says

Turkey is deeply beholden to Russia.

I could go off on this statement (and many others in OP), for example by showing the proxy war between Russia and Turkey in Azerbaijan/Armenia and Syria, about Turks shooting down Russian airplanes, supplying Ukrainians with UAV's, but I will not as it will not do any good and we'll still get ctrl c ctrl v from mindless sources.
12   WookieMan   2022 Jul 14, 2:27pm  

RC2006 says

There Are A Few Bots Left In The World With Principles And Decency to reply in their own posts.

Unless it was Patrick, I did bitch about no paragraph breaks once and revisited the OP and it was much better. Not sure if Ohomen changed it. Worst formatting I've seen online from someone posting on a website.

Maybe I'm autistic, but I cannot read if there's not at least some break between points at least. Doesn't have to be formal writing, but break the fucker up. Ohomen is notorious for it.

And.

Not an attack, but so is Mell and sometimes 10#. The return key exists. Rant over. Minor qualm about typing/writing styles which I'm sure people could pick apart mine.

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