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AmericanKulak says

"that means the geographical tasks will extend still further from the current line", Lavrov said.

I would not listen to anything this horse-faced alcoholic says. He lies more than Bidet administration, if this is possible physically.

They of course withdrew from Kiev and most of Kharkov regions because of good will, not because they had their asses handed to them...

Why is nobody negotiating? This is all bullshit, everybody is happy with a drawn out proxy war bringing misery to those involved. People are negotiating with xiden, kim-jong-un, xi, erdogan but in this case we cannot negotiate. got it. the west is close to as complicit here as putler if all they do is weaponize ukraine without any clear objectives.

As long as we keep on pumping weapons there, we just make conflict worse. They aren't lying here.

Biden is a king of faggots for doing this to Ukraine.

mell says

Why is nobody negotiating? This is all bullshit, everybody is happy with a drawn out proxy war bringing misery to those involved.

The war is about money. Ukraine has a puppet regime controlled by the United States, and they are using it to launder money and enrich the MIC - they just have the US taxpayer pay for it, that's why there's the endless propaganda about "poor Ukraine" and "Ukraine is winning".

Russia realizes there's no point in negotiating. The US doesn't want the war to end, and frankly, they don't give a shit if the war is won or not.

The US is being looted.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

Biden is a king of faggots for doing this to Ukraine.

You know damned well Obama and George W. Bush would have done the same exact thing.

mell says

Why is nobody negotiating?

Because Putler will break any treaty, just like he already did with Chechnya. What is the point of negotiations then?

"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour.
I believe it is peace for our time...
Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."

Bd6r says

mell says

Why is nobody negotiating?

Because Putler will break any treaty, just like he already did with Chechnya. What is the point of negotiations then?

"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour.
I believe it is peace for our time...
Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."

Seems they kept most of those: https://treaties.unoda.org/s/russianfederation
Not negotiating on assumptions is a cop out and makes the West culpable.

Bd6r says

"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour.
I believe it is peace for our time...
Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."

Saddam Hussein was Hitler, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was Hitler, Bashar alAssad was Hitler, Muammar al-Qaddafi was Hitler, now Putin is Hitler. So tired of this bullshit.

You know what Nazi Germany did? They used propaganda constantly to get the German citizens on their side, no matter how ridiculous the propaganda was and no matter how obvious it was bullshit - sound like any modern nation you might know?

mell says

Seems they kept most of those: https://treaties.unoda.org/s/russianfederation
Not negotiating on assumptions is a cop out and makes the West culpable.

Did they keep this one?

https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280401fbb

And if they did not, why should Ukraine ever trust them?

richwicks says

You know what Nazi Germany did? They used propaganda constantly to get the German citizens on their side, no matter how ridiculous the propaganda was and no matter how obvious it was bullshit - sound like any modern nation you might know?

Can you say anything about the topic in hand? For example, did Russia follow Budapest memorandum, and if not, why should Ukraine trust them? How do lies told by USA negate breaking promises Russia gave to Ukraine (or Chechnya?)? You are engaging in whataboutism again.

You can read the full text of Budapest agreement here: https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf

Bd6r says

richwicks says

You know what Nazi Germany did? They used propaganda constantly to get the German citizens on their side, no matter how ridiculous the propaganda was and no matter how obvious it was bullshit - sound like any modern nation you might know?

Can you say anything about the topic in hand? For example, did Russia follow Budapest memorandum, and if not, why should Ukraine trust them?

Who gives a shit? It's not the United States' problem. Who fucking cares.

Don't hear anybody bitching and moaning about Tibet being taken over by China any more. The United States doesn't give a shit about sovereignty or human rights, stop pretending they do. They're just looting US taxpayers and using the Ukraine conflict as an excuse to do it. Our government couldn't give a SHIT if the entire fucking Ukrainian population was reduced to rotting meat and bone meal.

Ukraine isn't my problem or any American's problem, our problem is our fucking crazy criminal government. That's a problem we can, and eventually will have to deal with.

richwicks says

Don't hear anybody bitching and moaning about Tibet being taken over by China any more.

YES, WHAT ABOUT TIBET?

richwicks says

Ukraine isn't my problem or any American's problem

Then why do you post/care so much about it?

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Don't hear anybody bitching and moaning about Tibet being taken over by China any more.

YES, WHAT ABOUT TIBET?

Well our government doesn't give a shit, if it did, it would place tariffs on Chinese goods at minimum - Trump did... That would allow us to regrow our industrial base, would reduce dependency on China, would create jobs, would grow our economy, and increase our independence.

Whereas - how would our involvement with Ukraine help the United States? Gives a crackhead artist slut a job at Burisma..

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Ukraine isn't my problem or any American's problem

Then why do you post/care so much about it?

Because my fucking nation just blew 40 billion dollars on it, and it's NOT EVEN GOING TO HELP the Ukrainians. It's just fucking money being laundered by a criminal fucking syndicate.

It's harming this nation.

How has ANY US foreign policy in the last 25 FUCKING years been a benefit to the United States and it's people?

That's why I care about it. DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH. This is DIRECLTY harming this nation

NONE OF OUR FUCKING WARS HAS BENEFITTED THE UNITED STATES IN ANY CONCEIVABLE WAY.

It's cost TRILLIONS, it's bankrupted the nation, it's made billions for CRIMINALS in our government and for the WORTHLESS military industrial complex than can't even fucking win a fucking war.

Oh boy - let's get involved with Ukraine, 10th time is a fucking charm right?

Are you American? Why don't YOU give a FUCK about this nation? What? Having trouble learning results and consequences after 20 years of this Neocon bullshit? Can't put 1 and 1 together? These wars are fucking destroying our nation.

Soon we'll be eating bugs, and living in fucking pods. Think that's a coincidence after a bunch of lunatics and useful idiots have fucking SQUANDERED our wealth on stupid fucking wars that don't matter one fucking bit to this nation?

Yeah, I remember the kids who liked to talk tough and try to intimidate everyone.

It worked until someone actually decided to test the loudmouth asshole; “don’t write checks with your mouth that your body can’t back up.”

Lavrov is full of shit, fuck him, Putin and the rest of them.

The Russian military is like a bunch of Mexicans with blond hair; they don’t know what they’re doing but they have some missiles.

richwicks says

Because my fucking nation just blew 40 billion dollars on it, and it's NOT EVEN GOING TO HELP the Ukrainians. It's just fucking money being laundered by a criminal fucking syndicate.

It's harming this nation.

How has ANY US foreign policy in the last 25 FUCKING years been a benefit to the United States and it's people?

That's why I care about it. DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH. This is DIRECLTY harming this nation

NONE OF OUR FUCKING WARS HAS BENEFITTED THE UNITED STATES IN ANY CONCEIVABLE WAY.

Then argue against providing money for foreign wars without making judgement about what happens in those countries engaged in war. Unfortunately your factual knowledge about those countries is quite minimal so you have to retort to whataboutism.

BTW I have never advocated for US involvement in Ukraine, it is a European problem. However, from standpoint of fairness I hope that aggressor, that is Russia with its botoxed leader, will lose the war and will be dismembered so that they can not attack anyone any more.

HunterTits says

Keep what? That isn't a Treaty.

Memorandum, security assurances, etc. If they don't intend to abide by it then don't sign it.

HunterTits says

Because the globalist ratbastards in DC think the opposite. And that involves my taxes.

It is possible to argue against using our taxes for foreign adventures without making uneducated judgements about what happens in those countries.

HunterTits says

Bd6r says

Memorandum, security assurances, etc. If they don't intend to abide by it then don't sign it.

Bullshit. They intended to not even use it to wipe their asses like a sheet of toilet paper. It was horseshit to get the Ukranians to spread their legs, is all.

Dude seducing a dumb girl: "Don't worry, I'll pull out..."

And they will behave differently if they sign a piece of paper named "treaty"?

Bd6r says

Then argue against providing money for foreign wars without making judgement about what happens in those countries engaged in war.

I'm NOT making any judgement about what happens in that war.

The US overthrew Ukraine in 2014. This is NOT debatable. People who say this didn't happen are either profoundly retarded, or dishonest. You don't have fucking Victoria Nuland picking out the next leader of Ukraine 2 weeks and 4 days before the "revolution" if the "revolution" isn't under US control.

The US PURPOSELY caused this war, and were the scumbags that run this country were cumming all over themselves when it started. Within ONE WEEK the "pandemic" was over, and it was SLAVA UKRAINI all over the propaganda sites. This war will last as long as the US can keep it going. As long as a SINGLE Ukrainian is left to fight it will continue, and it might go longer than that.

Bd6r says

Unfortunately your factual knowledge about those countries is quite minimal so you have to retort to whataboutism.

What?

Bd6r says

BTW I have never advocated for US involvement in Ukraine, it is a European problem. However, from standpoint of fairness I hope that aggressor, that is Russia with its botoxed leader, will lose the war and will be dismembered so that they can not attack anyone any more.

Russia will resort to nuclear weaponry before that happens.

richwicks says

The US PURPOSELY caused this war,

Now you are making a judgement which you are not qualified to make, again.

Russia purposely caused this war. They were preparing for it as early as in 1994-1995. People in former Soviet military leadership talked about this in 1990's:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IavEOx3hUAk

Djokhar Dudaev had an exceptional predictive ability here, long before anyone saw this. Perhaps his knowledge comes from belonging to former top Soviet Union military brass - he was a major general of Soviet Army.

I am not denying that this war is in interests of Washington neocons, but it would have happened even without their involvement.

richwicks says

You know damned well Obama and George W. Bush would have done the same exact thing.

Yes, but that's irrelevant. Them being faggots doesn't make Biden any less of a faggot.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

richwicks says

You know damned well Obama and George W. Bush would have done the same exact thing.

Yes, but that's irrelevant. Them being faggots doesn't make Biden any less of a faggot.

Biden is a puppet. Replacing him with another puppet doesn't fix the problem. Find the puppeteer and hang the motherfucker(s) - that fixes the problem.

Bd6r says

Now you are making a judgement which you are not qualified to make, again.

Oh no, I'm extremely qualified to make this conclusion. The United States and Britain have been fucking with Russia for years now. The Skipals, for example, weren't poisoned - that was just more propaganda. The US caused the conflict between Georgia and S. Ossetia and then lied and claimed Russia invaded Georgia. The US is at war in Syria partially to remove Russia's ONLY middle eastern military base there. The US has been interfering with ALL of Russia's pipelines going into Europe. They have made sanctions against them over and over again, based on complete bullshit.

The US has been itching for a war ever since Putin started putting his thumbs down on the criminal mafia that runs Russia. The oligarchs.

Russia has been invaded through Ukraine twice. They'll destroy it, and kill every Ukrainian before they allow that again. They've been QUITE CLEAR for years about their intentions. Ever since the US overthrew Ukraine, Russia has been plain and very clear about consequences and their security concerns.

richwicks says

The United States and Britain have been fucking with Russia for years now.

And Russia has been fucking with Ukraine as well, and Russian invasion plans were apparently ready long before any government changes in Ukraine. Latter means that US fucking or not fucking with Russia has little relevance to Russian invasion.
richwicks says

Ever since the US overthrew Ukraine, Russia has been plain and very clear about consequences and their security concerns.

See above, 1995 was way before any government changes. You are ignoring this yet again because the facts here go against your ideological beliefs.

richwicks says

Russia has been invaded through Ukraine twice. They'll destroy it, and kill every Ukrainian before they allow that again.

According to that logic, Poland, Finland, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia should invade Russia and kill all Russians. Or is this type of behavior is allowed only for Russia?

Bd6r says

richwicks says

The United States and Britain have been fucking with Russia for years now.

And Russia has been fucking with Ukraine as well&

And this is important to Americans in what way?

Bd6r says

and Russian invasion plans were apparently ready long before any government changes in Ukraine.

And what's the source for this? The government that claimed Saddamn Hussein had a weapons of mass destruction program and that "we can't wait for the proof to come in the form of a mushroom cloud"?

The US government has no credibility. They are liars. They just stole an election to install a pedophile into the presidency. They allowed Jeffrey Epstein to run a child prostitution ring and didn't prosecute a single one of his clients.

Bd6r says

Latter means that US fucking or not fucking with Russia has little relevance to Russian invasion.

The US overthrew Ukraine, they have over 40 BL5 labs there. What the fuck is the US doing having biological weapons labs in Ukraine?

This whole war is the fault of the US government.

The war government, that makes war constantly, impoverishes it's own people, that can't afford $13 billion dollars for wall between Mexico and the US, but can spen $40 billion dollars on "aid" to Ukraine.

I'm tired of you cocksuckers to our government. Our government is clearly an enemy, they work to impoverish us and spread misery, not just among us, but among the entire world.

I'm kind of glad to see the chickens coming home to roost. Americans have no concept of civic duty, so fuck them. Let them suffer.

I'm tired of you useful idiots, that I'm forced to work against. You're stupid peons that I cannot convert. You will suck government dick endlessly, and will never see they are fucking over the entire country.

Our government is a domestic enemy. What the fuck does an American farmer care about a war in Ukraine? Yet he pays for it, and when he pays for it, well, that increases his cost for food production. Tired of you fucking go-along-to-get along pussies. We don't have foreign enemies, we have domestic ones.

Lavrov's tears are salty.

Looks like the panic over HIMARS has settled in:

Russian air-defense troops just shot down one of the most sophisticated warplanes involved in Russia’s wider war in Ukraine.

One problem. It was a Russian warplane. A brand-new Sukhoi Su-34M fighter-bomber.

Russian propagandist Yevgeny Poddubny apparently captured on video the Sunday shoot-down over the city of Alchevsk in Russian-occupied eastern Ukraine. “Last night, the air-defense crew of the allied forces destroyed a target in the sky over Alchevsk,” Poddubny wrote Monday. “The nature of the target is not clear. The burning ball fell to the ground for more than a minute.”

A video of the wreckage confirmed the plane’s identity: it’s an Su-34M with the registry RF-95890, one of just 10 or so Su-34Ms that Sukhoi so far has delivered to the Russian air force.""

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/07/18/the-russians-just-shot-down-one-of-their-own-best-jets/?sh=4ca15c5239c8

""Russian air defense fires at HIMARS missiles, downs Russian aviation flagship - Russian media

The Russian Su-34 M is likely to have been shot down by a Russian air defense system in the Alchevsk area.

The Russian media reported the news.

"At the time of the destruction of the fighter-bomber, Ukrainian HIMARS surface-to-air missiles were firing at Alchevsk, and the Su-34 ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time in the zone of operation of the Russian air defense system for HIMARS missiles," the Military Informant report says.

The Insider notes that the crew ejected successfully and were evacuated.

The loss of the Russian fighter was recorded by Oryx, one of the most authoritative OSINT resources that collect data on the loss of military equipment during the war in Ukraine.

"Russian air defense mistakenly shot down its own Su-34 near Alchevsk, Luhansk region," the experts said in a report.

The Insider believes that the video with fragments of the crashed plane shows a rare Su-34M (M stands for 'modernized' - we are talking about a sample with an updated electronic system, high-precision weapons systems and a set of several hanging containers with intelligence equipment) with the aircraft number RF-95890 from the 277th Bombardment Aviation Regiment of the 303rd Mixed Aviation Division of the 11th Army of the Air Force and Air Defense of the Eastern Military District.

https://global.espreso.tv/russian-air-defense-fires-at-himars-missiles-downs-russian-aviation-flagship-russian-media

One of the two bridges forming a major supply line for Ruscists troops in Kherson damaged by HIMARS: https://www.facebook.com/censor.net/videos/785507269135485/

I'm not a structural engineer but from looks of it that bridge won't be able to carry anything heavier than a passenger car. And, judging by the tight grouping, it won't be hard to repeat it as many times as necessary.

If the railroad bridge next to it is put out of comission too Ruscists would find themselves in a neat little cauldron surrounded by Ukie forces, 1km-wide river and the Black Sea.

Eric Holder says

Looks like the panic over HIMARS has settled in

Yesterday/today, putinoids for the first time in a while used aviation in the areas where they attempt to advance. This means that artillery no longer does it. Which, in turn, seems like a direct result of the increased length of the supply lines and overall complications with logistics. They had to pull back the depots and just can't deliver ammo to the front lines at the same volume. Morale: HIMARS do deliver.

Eric Holder says

Lavrov's tears are salty.

What tears?

This just gave Russia an excuse to PERMANENTLY take more land.

Look, our media has lied about everything for 20 years. It's lied about EVERY war we've been in. It's lie about Russian Collusion, it's lie about Russia hacking our election, it's lying about Biden being elected.

Now it's lying about Ukraine. They ONLY lie. I don't know why they EXCLUSIVELY lie, but they do.

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

Lavrov's tears are salty.

What tears?

This just gave Russia an excuse to PERMANENTLY take more land.

Look, our media has lied about everything for 20 years. It's lied about EVERY war we've been in. It's lie about Russian Collusion, it's lie about Russia hacking our election, it's lying about Biden being elected.

Now it's lying about Ukraine. They ONLY lie. I don't know why they EXCLUSIVELY lie, but they do.

because no one would go along if they didn’t lie.

Eric Holder says

"Russian air defense mistakenly shot down its own Su-34 near Alchevsk, Luhansk region," the experts said in a report.

That's code for "people we made up".

Need to add that to my list: https://www.patrick.net/post/1344315/2022-03-26-dictionary-for-converting-from

richwicks says

"Russian air defense mistakenly shot down its own Su-34 near Alchevsk, Luhansk region," the experts said in a report.

They shot down more than one in friendly fire. The trigger on the air defenses was set to overly twitchy.
They also claimed that the pilots bailed and survived.

Ceffer says

richwicks says

"Russian air defense mistakenly shot down its own Su-34 near Alchevsk, Luhansk region," the experts said in a report.

They shot down more than one in friendly fire. The trigger on the air defenses was set to overly twitchy.

I'm skeptical, but I don't know. Transponder should have made it impossible. That's 1980's technology as well. It allows you to identify an aircraft fairly easily - the way it works is that on SEVERAL frequencies, it emits RF. This made it very hard to duplicate the pattern. Today, the pattern can be arbitrarily long, as in it never repeats itself, and as long as both pieces of equipment are synchronized in time, they'd match one another.

I suppose it's possible though. The military did create the acronym - Situation Normal, All Fucked Up - SNAFU. Also Fucked Up Beyond All Repair - FUBAR. I imagine the Russian military is no different.

Remember the first gulf war - Operation Desert Storm? If you recall, it was claimed the Patriot Missiles were a GREAT success, having shot down all the SCUD missiles from Iraq. Well, 10 years later, it turns out, they didn't shoot down one, although they effected trajectories.

Who knows - everything is a lie during war, I accept that. Even if this was true, the Russians would naturally deny it.

There were vids of it on Telegram. Russians didn't deny the friendly fire event. Of course, who knows what you see in vids these days.

richwicks says

Remember the first gulf war - Operation Desert Storm? If you recall, it was claimed the Patriot Missiles were a GREAT success, having shot down all the SCUD missiles from Iraq. Well, 10 years later, it turns out, they didn't shoot down one, although they effected trajectories.

And forgotten was that the R-11 SCUD was 50s ballistic technology without any evasive, stealth, semi active homing, etc. ability. The performance stank.

Another thing to keep in mind is Real Life missle v. missile combat is largely untested. While Tom Clancy has SM1/SM2 shooting down 90% of "Vampires", there's never been a test of shooting down dozens on inbound Kingfish or other ASMs, much less coming from a 180 radius.

The results, like Patriot v. Scud from the Gulf War was lousy. The shitty results of the SCUD had more to do with it's inaccuracy, being designed primarily to carry WMD payloads, rather than precision hits with HE.

The same is true of Radar-Guided Missiles fired at combat aircraft expecting trouble. The USAF went into Vietnam proclaiming 75% kill rates for the Sparrow. Against Soviet Export-Grade minimal-to-no TWR MiG-19s and 21s, it was about 7%, if the Phantom had the jump on an unsuspecting MiG.

One of the great reasons to utterly "De-Generalize" and "De-Admiralize" our top-heavy military is all the papering over and bullshitting they do, esp. about fancy weapon systems they may one day get consulting jobs from the manufacturer.

richwicks says

And what's the source for this?

Video with Dzohar Dudaev which I provided for you above. As far as I know he has never been in US government.

a href="/post/1346715?start=27#comment-1860853">richwicks says

The US overthrew Ukraine,

Irrelevant to war, which was planned way before Ukr Gov't was overthrown. You are ignoring video which I provided above, by a former Soviet Major-General. I suppose this is because it goes against your ideological beliefs.

Antonovsky bridge over Dnipro in Kherson has ceased to exist as anything suitable for more than foot traffic last night. Earlier the same has happened to a bridge over smaller Ingulets river in Dar'ivka. Look at the map and ask yourself: is "goodwill gesture" in Kherson coming soon?

Bd6r says

richwicks says

And what's the source for this?

Video with Dzohar Dudaev which I provided for you above. As far as I know he has never been in US government.

You'll have to repost that.
Bd6r says

richwicks says

The US overthrew Ukraine,

Irrelevant to war, which was planned way before Ukr Gov't was overthrown. You are ignoring video which I provided above, by a former Soviet Major-General. I suppose this is because it goes against your ideological beliefs.

There are plans for a nuclear attack by the United States, Russia, China, Indian and Europe, all against one another.

Again, provide the link. I don't have much interest at this point. The United States has made another "mistake", and all I am interested in doing, is pointing it out. We have domestic enemies, not foreign ones.

richwicks says

You'll have to repost that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IavEOx3hUAk

It was on this thread and finding it should not require superhuman efforts.