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Lavrov: Provision of Long Range Weapons to Ukraine will increase Siezure Area


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2022 Jul 20, 7:51am   1,566 views  44 comments

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LONDON (Reuters) -Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Wednesday that Moscow's military "tasks" in Ukraine now went beyond the eastern Donbas region, in the clearest acknowledgment yet that its war goals have expanded in the past five months.

In an interview with state news agency RIA Novosti, Lavrov said geographical realities had changed since Russian and Ukrainian negotiators held peace talks in Turkey in late March that failed to produce any breakthrough.

At that time, he said, the focus was on the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR), self-styled breakaway entities in eastern Ukraine from which Russia has said it aims to drive out Ukrainian government forces.

"Now the geography is different, it's far from being just the DPR and LPR, it's also Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions and a number of other territories," he said, referring to territories well beyond the Donbas that Russian forces have wholly or partly seized.

"This process is continuing logically and persistently," he said, adding that Russia might need to push even deeper.

If the West, out of "impotent rage" or desire to aggravate the situation further, kept pumping Ukraine with long-range weapons such as the U.S.-made High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS), "that means the geographical tasks will extend still further from the current line", Lavrov said.

Russia could not allow Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy "or whoever replaces him" to threaten its territory or that of the DPR and LPR with the longer-range systems, he said - referring casually, and without any evidence, to the possibility that the Ukrainian leader might not remain in power.

The foreign minister is the most senior figure to speak openly of Russia's war goals in territorial terms, nearly five months after President Vladimir Putin launched his invasion with a denial that Russia intended to occupy its neighbour.

https://news.yahoo.com/lavrov-says-russias-objectives-ukraine-110226193.html

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28   mostly reader   2022 Jul 21, 12:29pm  

Eric Holder says

Looks like the panic over HIMARS has settled in

Yesterday/today, putinoids for the first time in a while used aviation in the areas where they attempt to advance. This means that artillery no longer does it. Which, in turn, seems like a direct result of the increased length of the supply lines and overall complications with logistics. They had to pull back the depots and just can't deliver ammo to the front lines at the same volume. Morale: HIMARS do deliver.
29   richwicks   2022 Jul 21, 3:03pm  

Eric Holder says

Lavrov's tears are salty.


What tears?

This just gave Russia an excuse to PERMANENTLY take more land.

Look, our media has lied about everything for 20 years. It's lied about EVERY war we've been in. It's lie about Russian Collusion, it's lie about Russia hacking our election, it's lying about Biden being elected.

Now it's lying about Ukraine. They ONLY lie. I don't know why they EXCLUSIVELY lie, but they do.
30   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Jul 21, 3:10pm  

richwicks says

Eric Holder says


Lavrov's tears are salty.


What tears?

This just gave Russia an excuse to PERMANENTLY take more land.

Look, our media has lied about everything for 20 years. It's lied about EVERY war we've been in. It's lie about Russian Collusion, it's lie about Russia hacking our election, it's lying about Biden being elected.

Now it's lying about Ukraine. They ONLY lie. I don't know why they EXCLUSIVELY lie, but they do.


because no one would go along if they didn’t lie.
31   richwicks   2022 Jul 21, 3:11pm  

Eric Holder says

"Russian air defense mistakenly shot down its own Su-34 near Alchevsk, Luhansk region," the experts said in a report.


That's code for "people we made up".

Need to add that to my list: https://www.patrick.net/post/1344315/2022-03-26-dictionary-for-converting-from
32   Ceffer   2022 Jul 21, 3:45pm  

richwicks says


"Russian air defense mistakenly shot down its own Su-34 near Alchevsk, Luhansk region," the experts said in a report.

They shot down more than one in friendly fire. The trigger on the air defenses was set to overly twitchy.
They also claimed that the pilots bailed and survived.
33   richwicks   2022 Jul 21, 3:55pm  

Ceffer says

richwicks says


"Russian air defense mistakenly shot down its own Su-34 near Alchevsk, Luhansk region," the experts said in a report.

They shot down more than one in friendly fire. The trigger on the air defenses was set to overly twitchy.


I'm skeptical, but I don't know. Transponder should have made it impossible. That's 1980's technology as well. It allows you to identify an aircraft fairly easily - the way it works is that on SEVERAL frequencies, it emits RF. This made it very hard to duplicate the pattern. Today, the pattern can be arbitrarily long, as in it never repeats itself, and as long as both pieces of equipment are synchronized in time, they'd match one another.

I suppose it's possible though. The military did create the acronym - Situation Normal, All Fucked Up - SNAFU. Also Fucked Up Beyond All Repair - FUBAR. I imagine the Russian military is no different.

Remember the first gulf war - Operation Desert Storm? If you recall, it was claimed the Patriot Missiles were a GREAT success, having shot down all the SCUD missiles from Iraq. Well, 10 years later, it turns out, they didn't shoot down one, although they effected trajectories.

Who knows - everything is a lie during war, I accept that. Even if this was true, the Russians would naturally deny it.
34   Ceffer   2022 Jul 21, 3:57pm  

There were vids of it on Telegram. Russians didn't deny the friendly fire event. Of course, who knows what you see in vids these days.
35   AmericanKulak   2022 Jul 21, 4:05pm  

richwicks says


Remember the first gulf war - Operation Desert Storm? If you recall, it was claimed the Patriot Missiles were a GREAT success, having shot down all the SCUD missiles from Iraq. Well, 10 years later, it turns out, they didn't shoot down one, although they effected trajectories.

And forgotten was that the R-11 SCUD was 50s ballistic technology without any evasive, stealth, semi active homing, etc. ability. The performance stank.

Another thing to keep in mind is Real Life missle v. missile combat is largely untested. While Tom Clancy has SM1/SM2 shooting down 90% of "Vampires", there's never been a test of shooting down dozens on inbound Kingfish or other ASMs, much less coming from a 180 radius.

The results, like Patriot v. Scud from the Gulf War was lousy. The shitty results of the SCUD had more to do with it's inaccuracy, being designed primarily to carry WMD payloads, rather than precision hits with HE.

The same is true of Radar-Guided Missiles fired at combat aircraft expecting trouble. The USAF went into Vietnam proclaiming 75% kill rates for the Sparrow. Against Soviet Export-Grade minimal-to-no TWR MiG-19s and 21s, it was about 7%, if the Phantom had the jump on an unsuspecting MiG.
36   AmericanKulak   2022 Jul 21, 4:14pm  

One of the great reasons to utterly "De-Generalize" and "De-Admiralize" our top-heavy military is all the papering over and bullshitting they do, esp. about fancy weapon systems they may one day get consulting jobs from the manufacturer.
37   Bd6r   2022 Jul 22, 3:14pm  

richwicks says


And what's the source for this?

Video with Dzohar Dudaev which I provided for you above. As far as I know he has never been in US government.

a href="/post/1346715?start=27#comment-1860853">richwicks says


The US overthrew Ukraine,

Irrelevant to war, which was planned way before Ukr Gov't was overthrown. You are ignoring video which I provided above, by a former Soviet Major-General. I suppose this is because it goes against your ideological beliefs.
38   Eric Holder   2022 Jul 27, 10:53am  

Antonovsky bridge over Dnipro in Kherson has ceased to exist as anything suitable for more than foot traffic last night. Earlier the same has happened to a bridge over smaller Ingulets river in Dar'ivka. Look at the map and ask yourself: is "goodwill gesture" in Kherson coming soon?
39   richwicks   2022 Jul 27, 11:59am  

Bd6r says


richwicks says


And what's the source for this?

Video with Dzohar Dudaev which I provided for you above. As far as I know he has never been in US government.


You'll have to repost that.
Bd6r says



richwicks says

The US overthrew Ukraine,

Irrelevant to war, which was planned way before Ukr Gov't was overthrown. You are ignoring video which I provided above, by a former Soviet Major-General. I suppose this is because it goes against your ideological beliefs.



There are plans for a nuclear attack by the United States, Russia, China, Indian and Europe, all against one another.

Again, provide the link. I don't have much interest at this point. The United States has made another "mistake", and all I am interested in doing, is pointing it out. We have domestic enemies, not foreign ones.
40   Bd6r   2022 Jul 27, 4:49pm  

richwicks says

You'll have to repost that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IavEOx3hUAk

It was on this thread and finding it should not require superhuman efforts.
41   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Jul 27, 5:04pm  

Bd6r says


Irrelevant to war, which was planned way before Ukr Gov't was overthrown. You are ignoring video which I provided above, by a former Soviet Major-General. I suppose this is because it goes against your ideological beliefs.


its very relevant. its whole reason for the war. plenty of smart people claim it to be the main factor for the war. there was peace and pro russian president prior to that insurrection and coup. Only US pretends its an “illegal unprovoked invasion”.
42   Bd6r   2022 Jul 27, 5:07pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says


there was peace and pro russian president prior to that insurrection and coup

2003 Tuzla island conflict
43   Eric Holder   2022 Jul 28, 1:14pm  

Bd6r says


FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says


there was peace and pro russian president prior to that insurrection and coup

2003 Tuzla island conflict



Your efforts are futile: ignoramuses gonna ignoramuse*.

*) yes, I invented this word.
44   Eric Holder   2022 Jul 28, 1:15pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

its whole reason for the war


No, Puton has already came out with his reason for the war - "returning" their former imperial lands. You need to keep up.

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