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Universal school choice would transform real estate


               
2022 Aug 21, 11:11am   1,104 views  31 comments

by Patrick   follow (60)  

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/universal-school-choice-transform-real-estate/


It would help the poor the most and greatly relieve the middle class...

But perhaps the most unexpected promise of universal school choice is the impact it would have on area real estate markets, simultaneously lowering the cost of what families must pay for a desirable home, improving the value of distressed areas, and equalizing the quality of life between rich and poor communities. Indeed, the only thing more surprising than such sweeping demographic effects is the person who first explained why school vouchers, education tax credits, or some other choice plan would inevitably trigger them: Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren.

It was nearly two decades ago when Warren, then a professor at Harvard Law School, published what is still regarded as a breakthrough study on the causes of personal bankruptcy, The Two-Income Trap (2003). The biggest reason for adults going broke, her research showed, was not wasteful spending at the mall, fancy vacations, or some other stereotypical profligacy. It was people with children over-extending themselves to buy a home in one of the relatively few US communities with good public schools.

For Warren, the obvious way to not only reduce the national bankruptcy rate but help all families financially was to employ the one education policy that could break the unfair connection between quality K-12 schools and pricy zip codes. School choice, she wrote in her book, would “relieve parents from the terrible choice of leaving their kids in lousy schools or bankrupting themselves to escape those schools.”

Warren also realized that providing families with an alternative to local public schools had enormous potential to reverse the decline of blighted urban areas. To illustrate the point, she often cited the case of the University of Pennsylvania, which for years had been struggling to keep parents with young children from abandoning a decaying Philadelphia neighborhood near campus.

Nothing Penn tried could stop the exodus until someone in the administration hit on the idea of building and maintaining an alternative to the local public elementary school. Almost overnight, the community stabilized as parents discovered they did not have to move to a more expensive area in order to provide their kids with a good education.

Warren’s near decade-long crusade for school choice ended abruptly in September of 2011, when she announced her run for Republican Scott Brown’s senate seat in deep blue (read “teacher union-dominated”) Massachusetts. But evidence that the establishment of free or low-cost alternatives to local public schools can improve all but the wealthiest residential areas has continued to accumulate. ...

Although the case for Arizona’s universal school choice law was based largely on its academic promise, North Carolina University professor of finance and real estate Bartley Danielsen believes its enactment signals a major reversal of what he calls America’s unnecessary “spatial sorting.” That is, the arbitrary separation of people by school boundaries, such that “the quality of life — schools, family income levels, poverty rates, crime rates — (on) either side of the line becomes drastically different.”

This development will obviously help America’s poorest the most. But as Elizabeth Warren herself once observed, it will also provide relief to the millions of middle-class and even upper middle-class parents desperately struggling to maintain a residence that gives their kids access to a good school.

William Mattox, director of the Marshall Center for Educational Options at Florida’s James Madison Institute, agrees. “If you remove the artificial [zip code] barrier to quality education,” he says, “those that commute to work will be free to live in places closer to their jobs — towns they once would not have considered.” Conversely, those who can work from home could now go as far out as they want, “even to another state.”

Given how badly US schools have regularly scored in international comparisons, it is understandable why Arizona’s pioneering enactment of a universal school choice policy would be celebrated as a long-overdue educational achievement. But future historians may well view the law as the catalyst for a far more sweeping transformation of American society.

“Arizona has done us all a favor,” Maddox says, adding that even its biggest supporters may not yet appreciate just how big that favor is.

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1   Ceffer   2022 Aug 21, 12:12pm  

Pidgin Palaces of KommieKunt indoctrination won't stand a chance of gaining subscribers. They'll be pathetic circle jerks of a few victimized children.
2   GNL   2022 Aug 21, 12:37pm  

ZipperTits says

Yup. And since a lot will go into funding home schooling, wages will go up because of the reduction in two parent, two income families and the teacher's unions and parasitic administrator asswipes will lose that money.

Wages for who?
3   GNL   2022 Aug 21, 12:39pm  

So many questions. 1. would this mean the poor would be able to send their kids to the rich schools? 2. How does this improve shitty neighborhoods of the shitty people still live there? 3. private schools will spring up in the shitty neighborhoods? Why would they, their customer base is shitty.
4   richwicks   2022 Aug 21, 12:40pm  

GNLused says

ZipperTits says


Yup. And since a lot will go into funding home schooling, wages will go up because of the reduction in two parent, two income families and the teacher's unions and parasitic administrator asswipes will lose that money.

Wages for who?


Reduce the number of people working, and this creates a deficit of supply. Lower supply, price for the available commodity goes up.

Doubling the workforce depressed wages.
5   Misc   2022 Aug 21, 12:41pm  

GNLused says

So many questions. 1. would this mean the poor would be able to send their kids to the rich schools? 2. How does this improve shitty neighborhoods of the shitty people still live there? 3. private schools will spring up in the shitty neighborhoods? Why would they, their customer base is shitty.


Private schools would pop up because of profit motive.
6   richwicks   2022 Aug 21, 2:25pm  

Misc says


GNLused says


So many questions. 1. would this mean the poor would be able to send their kids to the rich schools? 2. How does this improve shitty neighborhoods of the shitty people still live there? 3. private schools will spring up in the shitty neighborhoods? Why would they, their customer base is shitty.


Private schools would pop up because of profit motive.



Private schools would show up because there's a market need.

If you divided up the cost of hiring a person to teach 20 children, what would that cost you? $5 grand a year, $10? For a decent education?

Imagine if school buildings were not taxed in any way, and they were built like shit brickhouses, designed to last for centuries.

My father used to sell building materials. One thing that used to obsess me, is how poorly made buildings are, because they are all temporary buildings. Also the integration of heat and wiring is not designed to be updated. I grew up in a "space age house", my father built our home, and to turn on any light in the house, I could push a button at the door entry. Pretty space age right? It worked by triggering a relay that allowed the kitchen light to be turned on, or the basement lights, or whatever. Really neat in the 1970s, but today, you'd use a phone to do it. In 30 years - who knows? Think that design can be ripped out?

That's the problem with all modern buildings. Just build a shell, update it as needed. 1/2 the cost of education I think is involved in the temporary structure used as a "school".
7   GNL   2022 Aug 21, 3:53pm  

ZipperTits says

Misc says


Why would they, their customer base is shitty.


Their competition is even shittier:



I'm saying, why would a private school open in a shitty area? What requirements would the government put on these schools concerning discipline even? I guess it could work well as long as schools had control over who was admitted and when students could be expelled. And then what happens if "racism" or "white supremacy" are found to exist at a school? Government will totally allow these schools to be fucked over.
8   GNL   2022 Aug 21, 3:54pm  

There are NO solutions folks. The government will never allow solutions.
9   FreeAmericanDOP   2022 Aug 21, 4:41pm  

GNL says

I'm saying, why would a private school open in a shitty area?

We have them in Florida. Whenever there are vouchers and demand, you'll see them. They beat the shit out of the public schools.
10   Misc   2022 Aug 21, 4:52pm  

Private schools can do this.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/hijab-uniform-violation-malden-massachusetts-school/40950162

Since they are private they can limit speech.
12   richwicks   2022 Aug 21, 5:13pm  

Misc says

Private schools can do this.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/hijab-uniform-violation-malden-massachusetts-school/40950162

Since they are private they can limit speech.


Free speech shouldn't be limited.

I don't think grooming is free speech though.

Be careful of what you advocate.
13   GNL   2022 Aug 21, 5:33pm  

Misc says

Private schools can do this.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/hijab-uniform-violation-malden-massachusetts-school/40950162

Since they are private they can limit speech.

From the article...

"The school said in an emailed statement that it allows students to wear religious attire “as an expression of their sincerely held beliefs," but asks students to provide a letter “expressing this desire from a member of their clergy.”
14   GNL   2022 Aug 21, 5:52pm  

AmericanKulak says

GNL says


I'm saying, why would a private school open in a shitty area?

We have them in Florida. Whenever there are vouchers and demand, you'll see them. They beat the shit out of the public schools.

So, how do the vouchers work again? You can send your kid to any school you want in the state as long as you can get them there? The vouchers would be used for only private schools, I assume? And, for now, private schools have total authority on who they accept as students based on anything other than race, religion or sex, I assume?
15   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2022 Aug 21, 5:53pm  

Won’t affect home values in the soon to be killing fields of Commiefornia. Thanks to the evil Democrats running the state and corrupt DA’s like George Gascon, we’re all screwed. Fucking turning it into Gotham.
16   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2022 Aug 21, 5:56pm  

How does anyone vote for someone that sounds like Kermit the Frog????


original link
17   FreeAmericanDOP   2022 Aug 21, 6:08pm  

GNL says

So, how do the vouchers work again? You can send your kid to any school you want in the state as long as you can get them there? The vouchers would be used for only private schools, I assume? And, for now, private schools have total authority on who they accept as students based on anything other than race, religion or sex, I assume?

Yes, pretty much. If your neighborhood school is underperforming (D or F), you can send your kid to any public school in the county or any private school participating in the program and the state pays for it. There's another program introduced under COVID to get around a 2006 Commie FL Supreme Court ruling as an emergency which allows you to send your kid to a private school with a voucher. Its a bit complicated, but once another bill moves to the DeSantis-Packed FL Supreme Court, it'll be a lot better. Also there are a ton of charter schools you can send your kid to, but you are responsible for transport, but the school board has no power over the cirriculum/operation.

Also interesting - Florida has more people than NYS and yet our budget is almost half?
18   Hircus   2022 Aug 21, 6:25pm  

GNL says

I'm saying, why would a private school open in a shitty area?


I doubt you'd see many at first. But I think one of the features here is that the shitty areas would likely become less shitty pretty quick.

Right now, people see shitty neighborhood as bad school, with bad school influences for their children, so nobody wants to buy the home there even though it's affordable. But, this change would suddenly make shitty neighborhoods attractive to some, because going to their shitty school is no longer a must. Thus better people would move in.

It would somewhat temper the differences between the rich and poor neighborhoods, making their differences less extreme. Probably quickly too, like a decade.

I suppose it would also be a wealth transfer from rich to poor in the form of home equity.
19   GNL   2022 Aug 21, 7:01pm  

Hircus says

GNL says


I'm saying, why would a private school open in a shitty area?


I doubt you'd see many at first. But I think one of the features here is that the shitty areas would likely become less shitty pretty quick.

Right now, people see shitty neighborhood as bad school, with bad school influences for their children, so nobody wants to buy the home there even though it's affordable. But, this change would suddenly make shitty neighborhoods attractive to some, because going to their shitty school is no longer a must. Thus better people would move in.

It would somewhat temper the differences between the rich and poor neighborhoods, making their differences less extreme. Probably quickly too, like a decade.

I suppose it would also be a wealth transfer from rich to poor in the form of home equity.

Much smarter people have put a lot more thought into this than I have. I am sure just about any power taken away from the government is better in the hands of the private sector. The biggest issue I see is the requirements the government would most likely put on those vouchers/funds.
20   Misc   2022 Aug 21, 7:20pm  

The hardest part, as I see it, would be from lawsuits against these private schools from parents whose children are not accepted. Right now, public schools have to deal with unbelievable behavior from many of their students. This would not be tolerated at private schools. When the children are dropped for this behavior --- expect lawsuits. There are many schools where about 20% of the students do not speak English. A certain amount of English proficiency will be required at private schools. This will, of course, lead to discrimination --- but it has to for the good of the students that the private schools want to educate. Also, a vast percentage of public school dollars is spent on children with disabilities. This is about 1 in 5 education dollars for a small percentage of overall students. Private schools simply won't have those programs.

I could see public schools becoming even more of a cesspool than they are now because anyone who can would get their kids outta public school.
21   richwicks   2022 Aug 21, 8:02pm  

Misc says


The hardest part, as I see it, would be from lawsuits against these private schools from parents whose children are not accepted. Right now, public schools have to deal with unbelievable behavior from many of their students. This would not be tolerated at private schools


A video recording system can fix that.

This was a problem 40 years ago, maybe even 20 years ago, a camera today costs $5. You can record an entire day on a $20 SDCard, it's much cheaper on a mechanical hard disk.

That's something I note - a lot of "problems" can TRIVIALLY be solved by technology, but for some reason, aren't. Every police officer should have TWO cameras, review the footage, and adjust - if both "malfunctioned" assume cop is lying.

We can sort out January 6th EASILY - just release the footage, but they won't.. They won't because they are lying. They are withholding evidence, that should put them in jail.

We are currently catching the government in criminal activity, and it's only going to get worse as time goes on. Technology can lead to both our enslavement and our liberation. If people understood what sort of technology we have and forced the government to apply it, the entire rot would be revealed.
24   B.A.C.A.H.   2023 Sep 20, 8:25am  

It's irrelevant in these parts.

Too expensive for families with children to buy (or pay market rents) around here.

The few schoolager children on my culdesac in San Jose live in their grandparents' home with their grandparents. Every single one of them.

Enrollment has plummeted in the local schools. Playgrounds are mostly empty. Adult immigrant tech workers practicing or playing cricket are a far more common sight than kids' baseball softball or soccer in local ballfields.
26   Misc   2025 Mar 10, 12:11am  

So, what the fuck can you do????

Here in Arizona we have unlimited vouchers for schooling and along with that the ability to homeschool, etc.

So, the niggers and illegals are saying they are homeschooling their kids where they get a kickback from the educational sites and direct coin from the vouchers. They are simply letting the kids do whatever while spending the free money on drugs, etc.

Yep, its gonna have to go back to public schooling.
27   FreeAmericanDOP   2025 Mar 10, 3:12am  

That's a big reason why the "Petite Bourgeois" or lesser rich, the kind of guy who owns a big house in a gated community, hates School Choice despite being "conservative". He knows it'll knock down his property values.
28   HeadSet   2025 Mar 10, 9:15am  

Misc says

So, the niggers and illegals are saying they are homeschooling their kids where they get a kickback from the educational sites and direct coin from the vouchers. They are simply letting the kids do whatever while spending the free money on drugs, etc.

A solution would be no payments for home schooling. At best you get issued textbooks and supplies.
29   MolotovCocktail   2025 Mar 10, 10:22am  

Misc says


Yep, its gonna have to go back to public schooling.


Nope. The point...real point of the vouchers is to separate the riffraff kids from the kids who will learn. Just like the point of the suburbs was to do the same in general.

And the vouchers are supposed to be usable at the schools, correct?
30   Patrick   2025 Jun 5, 11:56am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/auto-penmanship-thursday-june-5-2025


Next, a new law created private school vouchers and funded them with a billion-dollar budget. Beginning next year, parents will now get $10,000 per student to transfer kids from public to private schools. Teacher’s unions were hit hardest.


That's in Texas.
31   MolotovCocktail   2025 Jun 5, 2:34pm  

Patrick says

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/auto-penmanship-thursday-june-5-2025



Next, a new law created private school vouchers and funded them with a billion-dollar budget. Beginning next year, parents will now get $10,000 per student to transfer kids from public to private schools. Teacher’s unions were hit hardest.


That's in Texas.


There's nothing stopping them from using the voucher for public school.

It's not about public vs private. It's about competition.

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