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Canada's dictator Trudeau gave us a glimpse of the future. I can see a day coming whereby those that did not take the EXPERIMENTAL 'vaccines' will be singled out by the Government, and, will either forcefully given the jab, for the 'greater good,' or simply removed from society because they will be viewed as a 'threat' to the 'vaccinated.'

Don't think it can't happen here. Germany was one of the most highly educated, culturally advanced societies in the world, and yet, it turned to
Hitler and the Nazis out of fear. Human nature does not change, it does not 'evolve.' It is prone to excesses against its fellow human beings
when sold on the idea that THEIR life is being threatened.

How is this supposed to work if you rarely go to the doctor. They would have to write unknown for pretty much every jab since you have no record to start with? It may work if they start surveillance from early age through pediatricians etc.

Unless you sign a document releasing medical records no one can release them. They would have to change the laws on patient/doctor privilege. And I don’t think congress critters would be dumb enough to do that.

Generally only kids and people in the medical field have to submit or get unwanted vaccinations (most vaccines are fine) The government can track how many people got the vaccine, but “theoretically” they shouldn’t be able to get the personal info without consent. And maybe if there’s a form you sign it’s buried in fine print it will be shared with government, but I have’t had the vax so I don’t know the process.

It’s a pain and see if the doc can get forms to you prior but read through anything you sign. There’s a reason they call you a patient and not a customer…

WookieMan says

Unless you sign a document releasing medical records no one can release them. They would have to change the laws on patient/doctor privilege. And I don’t think congress critters would be dumb enough to do that.

Generally only kids and people in the medical field have to submit or get unwanted vaccinations (most vaccines are fine) The government can track how many people got the vaccine, but “theoretically” they shouldn’t be able to get the personal info without consent. And maybe if there’s a form you sign it’s buried in fine print it will be shared with government, but I have’t had the vax so I don’t know the process.

It’s a pain and see if the doc can get forms to you prior but read through anything you sign. There’s a reason they call you a patient and not a customer…

Unfortunately this is incorrect. I work in the industry, so let me run it down.
ICD 10 codes in the USA are sent to the government every time you visit any medical facility. The government uses them for both research and payment methodologies, and this is not something you can opt out of. It is considered part of doing business in healthcare. That's how, for example, you can find out how many people broke their right wrist skiing in the year 2018.
They have had z codes which are like socioeconomic status codes since ICD 10 came out. There was a set that was used mainly in pediatricians offices to track kids who who under-immunized or completely unvaccinated. For 2022 they came up with a code specifically for not being vaccinated for the toxxine. No matter what anyone says, its sole use is for the healthcare system (and therefore the government) to track unvaccinated folks. The z codes afaik do not affect anything in the billing process, so it is purely for tracking.

RedStar says

For 2022 they came up with a code specifically for not being vaccinated for the toxxine. No matter what anyone says, its sole use is for the healthcare system (and therefore the government) to track unvaccinated folks. The z codes afaik do not affect anything in the billing process, so it is purely for tracking.

This is what I have suspected all along. They have a nefarious plan already in place to deal with the 'unvaccinated.' The Gestapo were notorious record keepers, with the bulk of the information provided to them by the German people who dutifully reported on the suspect 'activities' of their fellow citizens. Don't think for one second that many of the 'vaxxed' won't act in like manner.

RedStar says

WookieMan says

Unless you sign a document releasing medical records no one can release them. They would have to change the laws on patient/doctor privilege. And I don’t think congress critters would be dumb enough to do that.

Generally only kids and people in the medical field have to submit or get unwanted vaccinations (most vaccines are fine) The government can track how many people got the vaccine, but “theoretically” they shouldn’t be able to get the personal info without consent. And maybe if there’s a form you sign it’s buried in fine print it will be shared with government, but I have’t had the vax so I don’t know the process.

It’s a pain and see if the doc can get forms to you prior but read through anything you sign. There’s a reason they call you a patient and not a customer…

Unfortunately this is incorrect. I work in the industry, so let me run it ...

So they're sending it with names or anonymized? They have always kept statistics on various things. Also if you don't tell is it automatically marked as no? Most people have no documentation about jabs taken once they leave childhood

RayAmerica says

RedStar says

For 2022 they came up with a code specifically for not being vaccinated for the toxxine. No matter what anyone says, its sole use is for the healthcare system (and therefore the government) to track unvaccinated folks. The z codes afaik do not affect anything in the billing process, so it is purely for tracking.

This is what I have suspected all along. They have a nefarious plan already in place to deal with the 'unvaccinated.' The Gestapo were notorious record keepers, with the bulk of the information provided to them by the German people who dutifully reported on the suspect 'activities' of their fellow citizens. Don't think for one second that many of the 'vaxxed' won't act in like manner.

They cannot establish forced vaccinations without full blown civil war so they won't. It's more likely they will encourage or mandate schools and other institutions as much as possible to de facto shut out the unjabbed. But even that is reversing in CA right now

mell says

They cannot establish forced vaccinations without full blown civil war so they won't. It's more likely they will encourage or mandate schools and other institutions as much as possible to de facto shut out the unjabbed. But even that is reversing in CA right now

Mell ... I hope you are right, but there's always the chance of another, more dangerous (and created) variant, along with another draconian response by the Government.

What if ...

They created a digital currency and turned off your account due to your vaccine status? Under Marshal Law, they could do such a thing.

Based upon the majority of Americans' response to lockdowns, mandates, etc. during COVID-19, I sincerely doubt there would be a 'civil war.'

RayAmerica says

What if ...

They created a digital currency and turned off your account due to your vaccine status? Under Marshal Law, they could do such a thing.

Based upon the majority of Americans' response to lockdowns, mandates, etc. during COVID-19, I sincerely doubt there would be a 'civil war.'

Not saying they won't keep trying. But they need the support of enough worker peasants otherwise everything stops. The Canadian trucker protests almost disabled the nation. A large country like the US cannot survive a strike of its workers. Good example is San Francisco, it's degrading cause workers and businesses keep leaving. Once a great vibrant city, now a mere shadow of its former self

mell says

Not saying they won't keep trying. But they need the support of enough worker peasants otherwise everything stops. The Canadian trucker protests almost disabled the nation. A large country like the US cannot survive a strike of its workers. Good example is San Francisco, it's degrading cause workers and businesses keep leaving. Once a great vibrant city, now a mere shadow of its former self

Here's the problem that faces most Americans; they are heavily in debt. Many are literally 'one paycheck away' from insolvency, resulting in a desperate situation should there be any threat to their cash flow. IMO, the American people have been maneuvered into this situation by those that Jefferson warned us about: "Bankers are more to be feared than standing armies." The Scriptures also warn: "The borrower is servant (i.e., slave) to the lender."

I think debt is one of the primary reasons as to why Americans were so incredibly compliant during the COVID-19 shutdowns and mandates.

Jefferson was correct. No man can own himself if he has to go into debt to survive. We are pretty much there. How many go into debt at the age of 18 just so they can "earn" a living?

GNL says

Jefferson was correct. No man can own himself if he has to go into debt to survive.

Ironic since Jefferson died heavily in debt. This is why I am more of a John Adams fan.

So if you never go to a hospital because their death traps, and only see small naturopathic doctors who don't even ask those questions, how does any of this work?

What if you say you took them when you didn't? What if you pay cash, no insurance, and give fake info?

And how does this tracking work? Are they injecting you with a RFID chip? There are a million ways to circumvent this if that's the purpose, and as long as you don't join their systems, they can't do shit about it.

Also, I still think the real number of people who took just one shot is 30%. Took every shot, I'd guess less than 10%. They're gonna track all of us? Go ahead and try...

GNL says

Jefferson was correct. No man can own himself if he has to go into debt to survive. We are pretty much there. How many go into debt at the age of 18 just so they can "earn" a living?

North Korea believes that it is better to be poor than be in debt. ---- I think the living standards and freedoms are better under the American system.

Misc says

GNL says

Jefferson was correct. No man can own himself if he has to go into debt to survive. We are pretty much there. How many go into debt at the age of 18 just so they can "earn" a living?

North Korea believes that it is better to be poor than be in debt. ---- I think the living standards and freedoms are better under the American system.

Everybody that is in debt is a slave. You have to have a job as soon as you go in there.

And suddenly, cancel culture is a problem for you. You have to take a vaccine if your boss demands it. Have wrong thoughts? Better shut up, you might lose your ability to borrow money.

Debt slaves just produce, they aren't allowed to actually live or offer any resistance to anything.

I worked at a company that asked me to violate an NDA for competitive advantage. In a month, I was at a new job JUST for that. Debt slaves, can't afford to have a soul or principles or ethics.

Why do you think Silly Con Valley has such horrific unconstitutional corporations, that violate EVERYBODY'S rights? Super expensive to live here, and man, there's a lot of people are totally unprincipled here. They can't afford principles.

Misc says

North Korea believes that it is better to be poor than be in debt.

The rulers of North Korea are not poor. In fact, they are among the richest people on Earth. The commies do not care about the average citizen's wealth and comfort any more than a chicken farmer wants to give more than the basics to the hens.

mell says

So they're sending it with names or anonymized?

The data is reported if A person got something or injury, etc.. Not THE persons info. That is 100% illegal from resources and info I've obtained personally.

I'm sure there's fuckery with the system no doubt, but SCOTUS if they're worth their weight regardless of politics, would/should make the parties involved eat shit if the government is getting PERSONAL health records. Only illness and injury metrics without the personal data, which is fine. If heart attacks are up then I get the government might focus on health and healthy eating/diet awareness. They have no business knowing if John Doe got a vaccine unless it was voluntarily submitted info.

Also the fact that there's massive human error in EVERYTHING we do. Data entry is likely one if not the largest ways for misinformation on the back end. You pay someone $40k/yr for a desk job. You think everything is going to be accurate? Hells no.

If they're collecting personal data by name and sending it to the government I will take action. Covid or cancer will be the least of their worries, lets put it that way. 2A.