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DOGEWontAmountToShit says

They were told to deliberate on the first before the second. A set up.

Agree. I'd hope people are more like me if I could be on a jury (can't). I'd just not say a word. I don't know this story well enough, but from what I know I'd just tell the other jurors to get fucked if I said anything.

Choking someone out is a defensive tactic. 99% of the time it's safe. It sounds like he was trying to calm down a situation with non-lethal means. The problem is if stopping someone you don't know their health. Reasonable doubt. You can't assume he wanted to kill. Don't commit the initial crime and this isn't even a topic.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/taking-chances-saturday-december/comment/80486285

Ryan Gardner
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At the same time, i belive it was last week, that crazy homeless dude that pushed an elderly man onto the NYC subway tracks, resulting in that mans death, has had his sentence reduced recently and will be released on some arcane law that's never been used, by the very same corrupt prosecutor that is trying to lynch Penny for doing the right thing.

Complete inversion of Penny's incident

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/dangerous-maniac-jordan-neely-got-4-months-in-jail-for-attempting-to-kidnap-7-year-old-girl-in-2015/

Neely was arrested 42 times across the last decade, with his most recent bust in November 2021 for slugging a 67-year-old female stranger in the face as she exited a subway station in the East Village, cops said.

The senior citizen suffered a broken nose and fractured orbital bone when she was knocked to the sidewalk, along with swelling and “substantial” head pain after hitting the ground.

Neely eventually pleaded to felony assault and received 15 months in an alternative-to-incarceration program that, if completed, would have allowed him to plead to misdemeanor assault and get a conditional discharge.

But a warrant was issued for his arrest on Feb. 23, when he skipped a court compliance court date where a judge was to be updated on whether he was meeting all the requirements of the program.

On June 27, 2019, Neely was arrested for punching a 64-year-old man in the face during a fight in a Greenwich Village subway station, cops said.

And he was busted in August 2015 for attempted kidnapping after he was seen dragging a 7-year-old girl down an Inwood street. He pled guilty to endangering the welfare of a child and was sentenced to four months in jail. ...

The post reads in part:

Used to be all cool, dancing to MJ in the subway train, but as of late he’s become a maniac.

Sometime in late Spring/early Summer I saw him in the train, his radio fucked up and he was angry as fuck, cursing and badmouthing commuters screaming “What the fuck are you looking at? Don’t fucking look at me!

Ever since that day he’s just been a scary dude to me.

A post on Reddit from nine years ago warns the public about #JordanNeely. The man’s death after being restrained by passengers has ignited BLM rage because one of the passengers involved appears to be white.

https://thepostmillennial.com/witness-says-jordan-neely-started-making-death-threats-against-passengers-before-daniel-penny-engaged-him

The 66-year-old woman, who chose to remain anonymous, told the New York Post that Neely's erratic behavior soon took a turn for the worse and he began shouting at other passengers.

"He said, 'I don't care. I'll take a bullet, I'll go to jail' because he would kill people on the train," she recalled. "He said, 'I would kill a motherf*cker. I don't care. I'll take a bullet. I'll go to jail'."

She went on to explain how Penny reacted in the situation, noting that he "did not stand up, did not engage with the gentleman. He said not a word. It was all Mr. Neely that was … threatening the passengers."

Seems like a test case for the most corrupt and captured court system in America next to the foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC.

https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/judge-tells-jury-to-go-back-and-deliberate-again-until-they-come-back-with-the-correct-verdict

https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/democrats-warn-daniel-penny-acquittal-could-lead-to-rampant-acts-of-heroism

I'm adding this story to my long list of reasons to never set foot in NY (or at least NYC) again. Even driving through it to get to Long Island sucks.

zzyzzx says

I'm adding this story to my long list of reasons to never set foot in NY (or at least NYC) again. Even driving through it to get to Long Island sucks.

Therein lies the point. GET THE FUCK OUT OF CITIES AND AVOID THEM! Not a joke I only generally go for the airport and make sure I have enough gas to get home and back without stopping. That's on the trip checklist, full tank of gas. I fortunately don't have to deal with real Chicago outside of Cicero Ave to Midway. Ghetto, but I've done work in the area. The classic 30/30/30 split for Chicago White/Black/Hispanic and then some other races. Crime and ugly but not bad. O'hare isn't Chicago at all. Just a shitty airport and grounds for parking and rental cars.

I get maybe 18-22 staying in a city. I would never have a kid in even the yuppiest part of Chicago or any city. I wouldn't marry a woman that wants to be in the city. Grew up in the country, did city for 10 years and will never go back. It's pure misery. I don't care about family either. Come to me. Realize you're on the dark side and see the light if you think cities are good.

Patrick says

It's a Karin!

Patrick says

The election is over, so LatinX is back on the menu!

Fully Aquitted!

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/miacathell/2024/12/09/daniel-penny-verdict-n2648499

They can't convict a guy like Penny in New York because they can't find 12 people who have never been the victim of a mugging, assault, agressive panhandling, etc. in the entire city.

zzyzzx says

I'm adding this story to my long list of reasons to never set foot in NY (or at least NYC) again. Even driving through it to get to Long Island sucks.

Yeah, once in a while I get an urge for a great pizza or something. Or nostalgia for camping at Hither Hills on the South Fork as a kid.

Then I remember: The best pizza is in the burbs; and the South Fork has gone from Old Money to overrun by every rich asshole.

Then I also remember: Have to drive on the NJ Turnpike or worse 95, pay probably $20 to go over the Verazanno now, hours of traffic worse than it was, be in NYS, etc. And my friends tell me LI has multistory apt buildings all over now full of schlubs thanks Obama.

DOGEWontAmountToShit says

Fully Aquitted!

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/miacathell/2024/12/09/daniel-penny-verdict-n2648499

No chance of riots. This story is a big nothing burger for the most part. He wasn't a cop. No gun on him with threat of life. Slow news cycle after the election and they wanted to make it a big story. As I've mention punching him was the best action as you don't know someone's health. Choking people out even properly can kill people in poor health.

One solid punch and he's on his ass and you walk away. The people getting harassed get on the train. 80% chance nothing even happens from it. A choke was not the right move in this scenario. He got lucky with a good jury. Good for him. A sucker punch out of no where would have been better and less drama.

Prince Harry anecdote herewith.
In the early 70's I visited Manhattan.
A girl I knew and I went uptown to see her sister and husband. They lived near Gracie Mansion I think.
As we were leaving her sister asked how we were going downtown: "The subway."
"You're NOT taking the subway! Here's some cab money!"
The assholes in the subway are how cabs stay in business in Manhattan.

clambo says

"You're NOT taking the subway! Here's some cab money!"
The assholes in the subway are how cabs stay in business in Manhattan.

I like my car and my legs. That's why I hate airports like Denver and Atlanta. Forces me to get on a bus/train just to get out of the place. Sit in other people's piss, puke and shit. I despise public transit. I'll sit in a car for 3 hours versus 1 hour in a train 10 out of 10 times. Or sharing spaces with others besides a restaurant or putting piss where it belongs in a toilet... a restroom.

Alvin Bragg action is similar what is going on in Republic of South Africa.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/penny-walks-free

it’s nice to see that self-defense is still legal in NYC. perhaps this will dissuade the next round of “process as punishment” railroading.

if we want to help end this, there are two simple things to support:

castle doctrine.

stand your ground laws.

castle doctrine means your home is your castle. (your car too as an extension) you need no pretext to defend it. someone breaks in, the fault becomes theirs. this law places the burden of due care upon intruders, not on those they threaten. it’s just, fair, reasonable, finds strong consonance with longstanding common law and practice, and it works. places that remove it see home invasions spike.

stand your ground means if some one comes at you, you need not move. you can stay where you are and defend the patch upon which you stand. NY does not have this law. they have a “duty to retreat” in the face of an aggressor. minnesota also imposes such a duty and has shoit down several attempts to change it, a stunning choice after the riots they had. their supreme court upheld it.

quite literally, i can pull a knife on you and even if you are armed you cannot draw your weapon if it’s possible that you can flee.

this is a gross abrogation of natural law. ...

with both castle doctrine and stand your ground in place, there is legal latitude for self-defense. without them, it’s license for aggressors to aggress without price. they pull a knife, you must run, you cannot fight back unless cornered. that’s a BAD incentive set, especially with these social justice DA’s and jurists.

the remedy for this and the genius of our system lies in juries. juries do NOT have to follow the law. they do not have to explain their choices. they can just say “no.” jury nullification is a very powerful tool to keep the nature of a society within the society itself.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/two-murders-tuesday-december-10-2024

Folks have wondered why the jury would deadlock after four days on the more serious crime of manslaughter, but then quickly find “not guilty” on the lesser charge of criminally negligent homicide.




We find a clue in a different article about Jordan Williams, a black subway passenger who claimed to have stabbed to death another passenger in self-defense, and who was not charged by the same team prosecuting Daniel Penny. In the Williams case, the DA’s office explained that “Under New York law, a person is justified in using deadly physical force when they reasonably believe it is necessary to use such force to defend themselves or others from imminent use of deadly or unlawful physical force.”

In short, Danny Penny’s jury was on solid legal ground to find him not guilty. Even had Penny meant to kill the Subway Terrorist, the jury only had to find that Penny’s headlock was “justified” in order to defend others from unlawful physical force that Danny reasonably expected would occur.

So black people aren't even charged for much worse crimes, like stabbing someone to death, but Penny got charged for an accidental death while defending the public from a literally insane guy shouting threats while stoned out of his mind.

The NYC cops were also arresting BLM protesters outside the courthouse. But this:

https://www.newsweek.com/blm-leader-reaction-daniel-penny-verdict-jordan-neely-1997953

Another message of unification from BLM.

But, Overall, nationwide, are the tides really turning? I'm hopeful and....

I feel unburdened by what has been.

Patrick says

So black people aren't even charged for much worse crimes

In the eyes of toxic libtards, blacks have no agency, similar to retarded people.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

In the eyes of toxic libtards, blacks have no agency, similar to retarded people.

Low forebrain activity, which doesn't allow them to gauge future negative outcomes from short term gratification strategies, so they have been anointed the subversive sacred cows for the time being. Perfect captagon excitation and chaos engines.