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The coming collapse of commercial real estate


               
2023 Jun 26, 5:29pm   1,764 views  33 comments

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Excerpted from the article by Andrea Widburg The American Thinker

... commercial real estate is empty. Small businesses don’t renew their leases, and large businesses simply forfeit them. Building owners are walking away from mortgages, leaving their empty office towers to the banks, which cannot possibly find tenants for them. The result is that we are looking at a coming commercial real estate collapse that could make 2008’s home real estate recession look like a cheery block party:

Commercial real estate has become a debt timebomb, experts have warned, as office towers remain empty in once-bustling cities.

The new era of remote work means ‘zombie’ workspaces remain vacant - while higher interest rates make it more expensive to buy or refinance buildings.

Some $1.5trillion in real estate mortgages are due this year and next, bringing the market to a dangerous precipice. When the deadline arrives, experts warn owners may be forced to default instead of borrowing again to cover the bill.

Earlier this month, the landlords of downtown San Francisco’s Westfield mall stopped making mortgage payments on its $558million loan amid rising crime and tanking sales.

Meanwhile in New York, building owners are being forced to negotiate extensions on millions of dollars of debt after failing to secure financing.

According to building security company Kastle Systems, only about half of office workers in the Big Apple are back at their desks.

And a joint study from researchers at New York University and Columbia University found that offices in the city will lose 44 percent of their pre-pandemic value by 2029 because of the impact of remote work.

Across the country, values for offices have decreased by 27 percent since March 2022, according to data analytics company Green Street.

In 2008, with the home real estate collapse, the American economy still had some resilience. This time around, it does not, and the damage done to the financial system, when it starts radiating out to the employment sector, could be devastating. I have no advice whatsoever for how to weather the coming storm. It’s like watching a massive tornado heading your way and knowing that your storm cellar has already flooded. There’s no way out.

For the full article: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/06/the_coming_collapse_of_commercial_real_estate.html

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1   MolotovCocktail   @   2023 Jun 26, 6:50pm  

Cities impacted will have to engage in some aggressive rezoning and redevelopment incentives to convert these buildings into apartments and condos/coops pronto. And do it fast.

With a few exceptions, they won't. Just like they haven't for all the abandoned malls out there.
2   Patrick   @   2024 Aug 2, 11:48am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/its-complicated-friday-august-2-2024


The controlled demolition of downtown New York City continues. Yesterday, the New York Times ran a sobering real-estate story headlined, “This 23-Floor Manhattan Office Building Just Sold at a 97.5% Discount.” Apparently, inflation hit everything else but missed big-city commercial real estate. The building in the story, which used to headquarter Sports Illustrated, last sold in 2006 —admittedly at peak market— for $332 million dollars. On Wednesday, it sold at auction for only $8 million, a stunning 98% discount.

The sellers accepted such a low price because 135 West 50th Street is two-thirds empty, and the rents from the remaining tenants aren’t even enough to cover the ground lease, which the building’s owner must pay to a different party that owns the underlying land. So when you add up the ground lease, the taxes, upkeep, and financing costs, 135 West 50th is losing money faster than a Boeing Starliner with a helium leak.

The Times grimly noted that New York’s real estate market has yet to hit bottom. It’s still falling from orbit, somewhere over Nebraska.

The City is also a big loser. Property taxes on an $8 million building are 98% less than taxes on a $332 million building. But the good news is that capitalism and free markets, if allowed to function, could easily cure this problem. A new owner with a much smaller mortgage would have the flexibility to find the building’s highest and best use.
3   AD   @   2024 Aug 19, 3:01pm  

Frank Lloyd Wright's high risk (called Price Tower) in northern Oklahoma

"The tower was sold in 2023 for $10 to Copper Tree Inc., which had planned to restore the building. By August 2024, the owners owed more than $2 million and were selling off the tower's furniture. As a result, the tower is closed effective September 1, 2024, amid financial issues and a dispute with the Frank Lloyd Wright Building Conservancy regarding the sale of the furniture"
4   FortWayneHatesRealtors   @   2024 Aug 19, 8:00pm  

they’ll bail it out. guys, the people with big money always get rescued. it’s you and i they look at with disdain.
5   zzyzzx   @   2024 Nov 19, 8:09am  

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/home-dying-nyc-offices-nearly-120015393.html

'Work From Home Is Dying' – NYC Offices Nearly Full As Workers Return In Droves
6   MolotovCocktail   @   2024 Nov 19, 8:21am  

zzyzzx says

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/home-dying-nyc-offices-nearly-120015393.html

'Work From Home Is Dying' – NYC Offices Nearly Full As Workers Return In Droves


Yup. Like this:

7   WookieMan   @   2024 Nov 19, 12:24pm  

zzyzzx says

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/home-dying-nyc-offices-nearly-120015393.html

'Work From Home Is Dying' – NYC Offices Nearly Full As Workers Return In Droves

My work from home.


8   MolotovCocktail   @   2024 Nov 19, 12:47pm  

WookieMan says

zzyzzx says


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/home-dying-nyc-offices-nearly-120015393.html

'Work From Home Is Dying' – NYC Offices Nearly Full As Workers Return In Droves

My work from home.





Trump working from home:


9   Patrick   @   2024 Nov 23, 7:03pm  

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2024/11/18/blackstone-schwab-san-francisco-211-main.html


Blackstone sees value of Charles Schwab's former San Francisco headquarters at 211 Main fall by nearly half - San Francisco Business Times

Appraisers slashed the value of 211 Main St. by roughly half at the end of October, suggesting the building is today worth less than the debt Blackstone Inc. used to acquire it almost eight years ago.

The 17-story, 417,226-square-foot 211 Main was appraised at $152 million, or $364 per square foot, in October, according to CMBS data released this month. That is down from $294 million, or around $705 per square foot, when Blackstone (NYSE: BX) acquired the property in March 2017. The Manhattan-based investor took out a $195.2 million loan to support its acquisition of the building, which was then fully leased to brokerage Charles Schwab Corp. as its corporate headquarters.

The October appraisal comes a few months after Schwab, which relocated its headquarters from San Francisco to Westlake, Texas in 2019, officially put close to 230,000 square feet in the building up for sublease, shrinking its footprint there to six floors.


Lol! I worked in that building for about four years at Schwab. Schwab's a good company, but I'm happy to see Blackstone take a hit.
10   WookieMan   @   2024 Nov 24, 3:34am  

Patrick says

Lol! I worked in that building for about four years at Schwab. Schwab's a good company, but I'm happy to see Blackstone take a hit.

They won't take a hit. They take the losses and write it off. It's not a big deal for that large of a company. If anything it's a benefit to an extent. Less taxes on the profitable buildings. You win some, lose some. That's the real estate game, just need a good accounting firm.
11   Patrick   @   2024 Nov 27, 9:46am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/the-un-resistance-wednesday-november


California’s controlled demolition continues, signaling why the fledgling Democrat Resistance is already doomed. Local KTLA ran a story yesterday headlined, “Downtown Los Angeles skyscraper loses 2/3 of value.” Last appraised ten years ago at $605 million, the Bank of America Plaza in downtown LA just appraised at only $188 million — having lost 66% of its value in ten years. It has defaulted on its loans. The building’s occupancy is terrible. What could have caused this? Hint:




This type of depressing headline is common for the Big Blue Cities. Still, Democrats will deny, they’ll try to wave away the Blue commercial market meltdown, blaming it on pandemic fatigue and worker’s changing preferences for spending their days working in pajamas instead of coming into the office.

But that is a lie. To prove it, I rounded up two more headlines to make a trifecta.

First, compare the real estate market in Los Angeles, California with the market in Miami, Florida. In July, the Financial Times ran a story headlined, “Cost of Miami office space hits record high. In the very first paragraph, FT provided readers with what I like to call a “clue:”

The cost of Miami office space hit a new record as demand from
blue-chip companies from New York, Chicago and Los Angeles for
high-end offices outstrips supply.

Apparently, for some reason, unlike Los Angeles, Miami’s commercial market has not been hollowed out by work-from-home policies. It is not suffering from pandemic fatigue. It is booming. And it is stealing LA’s blue-chip companies.

But, Democrats will wail, that’s just because it’s Florida, and Florida is an outlier. But pardonne-moi, mon ami. Not so fast. Let’s consider the next best red market or, tipping the cowboy hat as deserved, arguably the best.

Early this month, just a few weeks ago, Dallas Magazine ran a story headlined, “Dallas Named Country's No. 1 Commercial Real Estate Market for 2025. Here's Why.” Not only did this delightful story prove that a second Big Red City is also not suffering pandemic fatigue or having any pajama problems, but it helpfully provided the current list of the top ten commercial real estate markets. Ready? See if you can spot any common characteristics:

DFW has consistently been in the top 10 for six years, but this marks its
return to the top spot for the first time since 2019.
Miami ranked No. 2, followed by Houston, Tampa-St. Petersburg,
Nashville, Orlando, Atlanta, Boston, Salt Lake City, and Phoenix.

You see it. Except for Boston, all the top-performing real estate markets are all Red State Big Cities.

The commercial market metric is only one of many, although it is one of the clearest metrics and one of the most shocking. But when we look at other figures, we find similar trends. For example, consider this PEW Charitable Trust chart of states and their net migration changes:




See? The Red States win. Each new Red State citizen is a new taxpayer and a new contributor to the economy. And each one who’s moved means one fewer taxpayer and economic contributor from the Blue states of origin. The list of net loser states is a Blue wall of shame.
12   WookieMan   @   2024 Nov 27, 12:56pm  

Patrick says

See? The Red States win. Each new Red State citizen is a new taxpayer and a new contributor to the economy. And each one who’s moved means one fewer taxpayer and economic contributor from the Blue states of origin. The list of net loser states is a Blue wall of shame.

IL is young people moving. And retirees. Outside of winter it's not a bad state. I think our exodus has slowed though. I have buddies that could move tomorrow and don't.

I do have to say the ones willing to stay in IL are changing the state. It will take another decade, but IL could be a swing state. Dems are moving to places like ID and MT in the west so that won't move the needle. IL comes into play Dems almost 100% lose. It's inching that way.
14   EBGuy   @   2026 Jan 29, 12:56pm  

Berkeley apartment complex is foreclosed at sharply discounted value
Apartment values remain feeble in East Bay
BERKELEY — A Berkeley apartment complex that’s a short distance from the UC campus has been foreclosed at a sharply discounted price compared with its prior value.

The University Park residential hub at 1709 Shattuck Ave. went through a foreclosure proceeding on Jan. 22 that placed a $25 million value on the property, according to documents posted for this week’s trustee’s sale of the site...

The foreclosure proceeding forced Academy West Investments to lose its ownership of the property, which the real estate firm had bought in 2020 for $34 million.

Academy West was losing money each month for at least a one-year period that ended in September 2025, court papers showed.

During that time, Academy West managed to generate roughly $147,600 a month from rent collections...

Academy West was also betting on the long-term trend of housing supply constraints in the area.

“We are excited,” Muro said, that upgrades to the units would help University Park “command premium rents considering the demand for luxury housing within this highly desirable market.”
15   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   @   2026 Jan 29, 12:58pm  

The real reason for insurance premiums skyrocketing.

Also, the huge number of fake storefronts run by illegals.

Not just by Somalians and not just in Minneapolis



Haven't you ever scratched your head and wondered by the legit Guatemalan-Mexican lunch place is booming, but the ones next door or across the street are completely dead without a customer? And have been there for years and don't go out of business? The others are the laundering facility.
16   EBGuy   @   2026 Jan 29, 1:01pm  




More from the article:

The University Park loan default is far from the only East Bay complex that has been jolted with loan issues. In recent months, lenders have seized multiple apartment buildings to satisfy delinquent or failing loans. Among the problem properties:

— A 206-unit, 24-story housing tower at 1700 Webster St. in downtown Oakland was taken back on Aug. 28, 2024, by its lender due to a delinquent $90 million loan.

— The Logan, a 204-unit apartment complex at Telegraph Avenue and 51st Street in Oakland, was taken by a real estate firm that had bought the property’s loan and then foreclosed on the financing vehicle on Nov. 27, 2024.

— In September 2024, Bayview, a 186-unit apartment complex in Emeryville, was seized by its lender, CIM Group, through a deed in lieu of foreclosure procedure.

— In April, Orion, a 241-unit apartment complex in the Brooklyn Basin area of the Oakland waterfront, was taken back by its lender, UBS Realty Investors.
17   AD   @   2026 Jan 29, 1:12pm  

EBGuy says

— In April, Orion, a 241-unit apartment complex in the Brooklyn Basin area of the Oakland waterfront, was taken back by its lender, UBS Realty Investors.


Yes, as far as "commercial real estate" as far as "multifamily real properties" (apartments).

The apartment managers are being careful managing the narrative to not appear desperate for tenants, but notice most are offering a free month of rent. Not sure we can trust the vacancy rates that are advertised or published.

RD Offutt had cleared the land for Hathaway Luxury Apartments (about 1/2 mile west of Hathaway Bridge in Panama City Beach) back around summer 2024. They stopped construction after that :-/
18   AD   @   2026 Jan 29, 1:14pm  

EBGuy says


A 206-unit, 24-story housing tower at 1700 Webster St. in downtown Oakland was taken back on Aug. 28, 2024, by its lender due to a delinquent $90 million loan.


Avalon Bay Communities stock is down about 33% from its all time high in 2022 :-/

The local mega apartments are more careful, but they are competing with the landlords that rent townhomes in Panama City Beach.

The townhomes are renting at 2021 rent levels.
19   Patrick   @   2026 Jan 29, 1:22pm  

TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says

Not just by Somalians and not just in Minneapolis


My wife is half Armenian, and when I mentioned that Trump is now denying visas to Armenians, she said that that was understandable, because the eastern Armenians who lived under the Soviets are definitely into a lot of fraud.

Of course her family is western Armenian (from what is now Turkey), but I think she has a point.
20   MolotovCocktail   @   2026 Jan 29, 2:03pm  

EBGuy says

Berkeley apartment complex is foreclosed at sharply discounted value
Apartment values remain feeble in East Bay
BERKELEY — A Berkeley apartment complex that’s a short distance from the UC campus has been foreclosed at a sharply discounted price compared with its prior value.

The University Park residential hub at 1709 Shattuck Ave. went through a foreclosure proceeding on Jan. 22 that placed a $25 million value on the property, according to documents posted for this week’s trustee’s sale of the site...

The foreclosure proceeding forced Academy West Investments to lose its ownership of the property, which the real estate firm had bought in 2020 for $34 million.

Academy West was losing money each month for at least a one-year period that ended in September 2025, court papers showed.

During that time, Academy West managed to generate roughly $147,600 a month from rent collections...

Academy West was also betting on the long-term trend of housing supply constraints in the area.

“We are excited,” Muro said, that upgrades to the units would help University Park “command premium rents considering the demand for luxury housing within this highly desirable market.”



Bay Area - High Tech version of Detroit in the making.
21   Patrick   @   2026 Jan 29, 2:07pm  

Patrick says

My wife is half Armenian, and when I mentioned that Trump is now denying visas to Armenians, she said that that was understandable, because the eastern Armenians who lived under the Soviets are definitely into a lot of fraud.


Wife's Armenian uncle chimed in:


Yeah, this has been going on by LA Armenians for DECADES!

IRS has a special desk for Ex-Soviet Armenians. Amazing they still get away with it. But remember, they also learned how to bribe Soviet officials…
22   RWSGFY   @   2026 Jan 29, 3:33pm  

Two Armenians land in the LAX flying in from Erevan. Immediately after exiting the border control area one of them notices a $100 bill on the ground and bends to pick it up. The other stops him and says: "Leave it, Garik, we'll start on Monday!"
23   Patrick   @   2026 Jan 30, 12:37pm  

https://x.com/RamboVanHalen/status/2016583084913950759


Back in the day in Los Angeles there was a prevalence of "Cell Phone Accessory" stores. Sometimes several per block.

We'd film on these dumpy commercial streets, and be working in front of these shops for days. But we wouldn't see a single customer enter or exit.

The off duty cops we hired for traffic control explained that it's all money laundering. Same with the bodegas, the vape shops, and most of the restaurants.

In Los Angeles, and many other cities, there are miles and miles of streets full of businesses with no customers. And yes, most of them are owned by immigrants.

Another story, this time from San Francisco...

A new asian hotdog place opened in my neighborhood. It looked cute from the outside. Thought it might have good food (sometimes these places do). So I went in and ordered a hotdog....

The cute asian girl disappeared into the kitchen. Doesn't come out for a long time. After 15 minutes I walk to the counter and ask "how's it going in there?" but I got no answer.

So I peeked into the "kitchen". And to my surprise there was no kitchen--it was just an empty room. No fridge, no stove, no food.

And there was no cute asian girl.

She'd left.

She had my money so I stuck around to see what the fuck was going on. A few minutes later she returned with a hotdog. I have no idea where she got it from. (I asked but she pretended not to understand English👍)

So this raises some questions, because in San Francisco the health department "grade" must be placed in the window of the restaurant. And the fake hotdog place had a legit 99% rating (probably because they had no food on the premises).

So somebody from the city of San Francisco inspected, and passed, a fake restaurant. The inspectors were probably on the take. At best, they looked the other way.

These "shops" take up a lot of retail space--it's a lot of real estate. And retail space--especially in San Francisco and Los Angeles--is expensive, mainly because the cheap space is taken up with fake businesses.

In the past I've looked into opening retail businesses. The biggest expense is rent. And it's so expensive that I abandoned the business ideas after running the numbers.

So how much of the commercial real estate market is propped up by these sham businesses?

And how many honest entrepreneurial Americans could be running their own small businesses but aren't doing so because the rent is too damn high?

Once you start looking for fake businesses you can't stop seeing them.

So the next time you're driving around your city, look at the dumpy commercial strips, and the dirty "store" windows. Then look at the crappy strip malls with peeling paint, cracked signs, and empty potholed parking lots.

Then ask yourself, "How much of this is fake?"
24   FortWayneHatesRealtors   @   2026 Jan 30, 12:47pm  

Patrick those no customers businesses are everywhere, I never knew how they stayed in business, figured it was a front for something.

I had employees, I had to have certain volume or math didn’t work out. Those guys had nothing, and yet were in business.

At this point, seeing all scams that been exposed lately, I’m not sure how much real business is there. It’s like our nation is 90% fraud or something.
26   Misc   @   2026 Feb 3, 4:23pm  

Yes, but think how much money they were able to cash our re-fi, sell to others at an inflated price with ever increasing mortgages, etc.

Now default, let someone buy for pennies on the dollar, rinse/repeat.
27   stereotomy   @   2026 Feb 4, 11:19am  

TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says

Commercial MBS worse than the GFR now.


https://wolfstreet.com/2026/02/03/office-cmbs-delinquency-rate-spikes-to-record-12-3-much-worse-than-financial-crisis-meltdown-peak/

That's why corporateland is going all in on "back to the office." Gotta keep CRE from cratering because of empty office buildings.
28   Patrick   @   2026 Feb 4, 7:54pm  

Not to mention that employees have become very creative at finding ways to slack off while "working" from home.
29   AD   @   2026 Feb 4, 8:23pm  

Zero new construction for a long time to allow demand to catch up with existing inventory. Perhaps they repurpose some of the existing inventory of commercial real estate.
30   AD   @   2026 Feb 5, 7:48pm  



31   MolotovCocktail   @   2026 Feb 6, 9:11am  

AD says






There's whole YouTube series by architects explaining how impractical it is to convert most malls into housing in general.

For senior centers, it might be different.
33   FortWayneHatesRealtors   @   2026 Feb 8, 9:01am  

MolotovCocktail says






That’s why Trump bitching through the roof to lower rates. Many mortgages will adjust to higher rates. That’ll be commercial pain. Rich people will lose. And that’s the people he’s bailing out.

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