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Patrick in Poland


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2023 Jul 14, 7:52pm   14,378 views  154 comments

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I'm in Poland, visiting my grandmother's village of Tuliszków and a lot of relatives I have here. I was last here in college in 1988, 35 years ago.

It's dramatically more prosperous now that it's not communist.

No sign at all of the war. Relatives said they see some Ukrainian refugees, and some are quite rich, not what you think of as refugees.

Any questions you want me to ask my relatives?


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73   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 11:03pm  

WookieMan says

I know Eastern Europeans in general liked to drink, didn't realize that they might have it at breakfast. Hard stuff too? That's insane.


That was 35 years ago, and I suspect it was intended to reduce the hangover the assumed I must have had from my welcome party the night before.
74   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 11:06pm  

Booger says

Patrick says


some graffiti,


What % of the graffiti is in English?


@Booger I saw just a few instances of graffiti in English. One was "Fuck Putin".
75   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 11:07pm  

Booger says

Patrick says


It's pretty hot, in the 90s.

Any air conditioning?


Yes, my cousin had it in her house, and they have it in the hotel I'm in now.

The tour of the Wawel did not have it, so that was pretty hard, being about 92 degrees with high humidity.
76   Patrick   2023 Jul 16, 11:08pm  

BayArea says

I hope you have time to visit Gdańsk and Krokow (check out the salt mines as they are out of this world).


We are going to see the salt mines today.
77   mell   2023 Jul 17, 5:53am  

Trollhole says


US is not facing demographic collapse. Demographic hardship, yes. For about 15 years.
After that, the Boomers die off and the Millennials enter their peak earning years. Europe and Asia do not have anything like the Millennials demographically.

European countries actually started putting the brakes on mass immigration because a nation of young troublemakers is worse than a shrinking one. Many millenials and immigrants in the US (not all) are a net burden. Go to Luzern, Vienna, Zurich, or most German cities and you know what advanced standard of living for families is (UK, France, Spain etc. not so much). The US has very nice pockets, potentially nicer if you are wealthy, but on avg. it has fallen behind. Only a change in politics can reverse that. Even Japan as the eternally "dying nation" is doing remarkably well (standard of living among the highest) cause it's close to impossible to immigrate and woke is not existent.
78   RWSGFY   2023 Jul 17, 6:13am  

Soo, Pat, if your country was invaded by genocidal fucks, would you send your wife across the border in the $50K car you had at the moment or you'd stop at some lot to exchange it for a beat-up 30 y.o. Corolla? I mean, only poor people can flee the invading hordes, so one must pretend to be poor, right?Or what exactly thar car comment was implying?
79   Patrick   2023 Jul 17, 6:59am  

I mean that the refugees here do not seem particularly desperate.

Btw, one reason Krakow has so many beautiful young women is that there are many universities here. I didn't know that earlier.

Polish people also seem to use a lot more perfume and cologne than Americans.
80   RWSGFY   2023 Jul 17, 7:16am  

Patrick says

I mean that the refugees here do not seem particularly desperate.



You are used to
seeing economical migrants here in the US claiming they are "refugees". If people are not economical migrants but are fleeing an actual hot war, why should they all seem to be desperate? Some surely are, but affluent people flee from wars too. It's not like Soviet bombs can tell rich from poor and spare the former...
81   NuttBoxer   2023 Jul 17, 8:25am  

War is always used as an opportunity to go after people who were not with the ones in power. Wouldn't be surprised if the anti-Zelensky faction left early. But really anyone with money who wasn't in on the grift.
82   NuttBoxer   2023 Jul 17, 8:26am  

What's the primary style of beer in Poland? Or the most popular?
83   Patrick   2023 Jul 18, 12:33am  

It seems like lagers are very popular.

But I've been here on only a few days so I don't really know.
84   Patrick   2023 Jul 18, 12:35am  

GNL says

Patrick says


I have to admit that there are tons of really hot Polish women

You lucky bastard. Send some nudes.


A lot of them do not wear bras. It's hard not to look, but I'm with my wife so I try not to.
85   Patrick   2023 Jul 18, 12:38am  

Booger says


Patrick says


Everyone who could challenge Nazi power was systematically killed


Everyone who could challenge Communist power was systematically killed.



You are right. Them too.

Everyone here is aware that the Russians killed all the officers in the Polish army, the massacre at Katyn. 25,000 people.

And no one was ever held to account.
86   Patrick   2023 Jul 18, 2:40am  

Traffic is horrible in Krakow, even in the middle of the day. Don't bother trying to drive anywhere.

Nowhere to park either.
87   Patrick   2023 Jul 18, 3:00am  

I just saw a gay flag, first one.
88   richwicks   2023 Jul 18, 4:33am  

Patrick says

You are right. Them too.

Everyone here is aware that the Russians killed all the officers in the Polish army, the massacre at Katyn. 25,000 people.

And no one was ever held to account.


Every country engages in war crimes.

How many people killed in Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Neither city had any military value.
89   gabbar   2023 Jul 18, 4:50am  

My family oriented aunt is Polish. She is married to my uncle, who is a surgeon and an asshole with regard to how he treats his family members. Tell your relatives that we are proud of their immigration officials.
90   Patrick   2023 Jul 18, 5:50am  

I just saw someone wearing a mask.

Just one person, no one else among all the people in Krakow.
91   BayArea   2023 Jul 18, 6:02am  

From my experience, lager would be the most common beer type.

12oz portions are also laughable there.
92   NuttBoxer   2023 Jul 18, 7:48am  

It could be seasonal though. Lagers are great summer beers. Winter I'd bet on something stronger and darker.
93   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2023 Jul 19, 10:13am  

mell says

That's not true. Standard of living in many German, Swiss or Austrian cities is magnitudes better than in the US. These are not exceptions, they are becoming the norm. Asia is not far behind and will overtake the US if its stays on the given path. I agree that esp. European nations do aid to their own downfall with unfettered mass immigration etc, but the US is currently declining faster under xiden, no doubt about it, esp. since leftoids have taken a foothold in most big cities and the still nice touristy rural areas. If you are single maybe the US still wins out, but if you're raising a family it's far behind already.


Meanwhile, on Planet Reality:

Euro zone economy grew JUST 6% over the past 15 years.

US grew 82%.

By 2035, the gap between the US and EU will be as large as that between Japan and Ecuador is today.

But hey! I am sure Ecuador has some nice cities too.


94   NuttBoxer   2023 Jul 19, 11:51am  

That will happen when you attempt to print your way out of a recession... But the Euro is doing no better, as in Europe the bailouts are by country, not bank..
95   zzyzzx   2023 Jul 19, 12:02pm  

Patrick says

I just saw someone wearing a mask.

Just one person, no one else among all the people in Krakow.


Did you point and laugh?
96   Patrick   2023 Jul 19, 1:15pm  

Patrick says

I just saw someone wearing a mask.


My wife and I have gone on to Vienna, Austria. I've seen two people wearing masks now, one in full hijab. Lots of Arabs here, and even more Turks.

The Turks finally did succeed in invading Vienna.
97   BayArea   2023 Jul 19, 3:18pm  

I may have missed it above but what all countries are you visiting?
98   SunnyvaleCA   2023 Jul 19, 4:13pm  

Patrick says

I have to admit that there are tons of really hot Polish women, far more than I expected. Much better than the US.

For sure not many hot Polish women in the US.
99   AmericanKulak   2023 Jul 19, 5:42pm  

@Patrick

Are there White males in commercials?
100   The_Deplorable   2023 Jul 19, 5:55pm  

This doesn't make sense because unlike Europe, the US sent all their industrial operations - entire factories, the equipment, including the foundation bolts to China.

So, where is this higher GDP coming from?


101   AmericanKulak   2023 Jul 19, 7:38pm  

The_Deplorable says

So, where is this higher GDP coming from?

Creative Accounting and Financialization. Although in fairness, we do have the vast majority of IP still.
102   BayArea   2023 Jul 19, 9:26pm  

SunnyvaleCA says

Patrick says


I have to admit that there are tons of really hot Polish women, far more than I expected. Much better than the US.

For sure not many hot Polish women in the US.



Few polish people period on the west coast, many in NY/Chicago/Midwest
103   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2023 Jul 19, 11:15pm  

The_Deplorable says


This doesn't make sense because unlike Europe, the US sent all their industrial operations - entire factories, the equipment, including the foundation bolts to China.

So, where is this higher GDP coming from?





We didn't sent all of our industrial operations, just most our lower tier and a lot of our middle tier industries. Our high tier mostly stayed and grew.

High tier = higher value. That means higher GDP.

But industrial development in and of itself doesn't matter when it comes to GDP. If it did, then the heavily industrialized USSR would have been a juggernaut 2-3 times higher GDP than us.

What matters is the value you produce by what you do. Sure, manufacturing can deliver a lot of GDP...but not as much if is constrained by government. And Europe's economy is stifled by regulation/welfare state bs compared to us. As we are compared to Asia.

But demographic collapse in Asia is putting an end to that disparity and in Europe it will just kill whatever little growth prospects they have. 40% of the EU population will be retirees. China will be just as bad or worse. Russia and Ukraine worse of all.

India has the best prospects and is geopolitically sitting pretty sweet, but for the corruption and caste bullshit.
104   Patrick   2023 Jul 20, 12:07am  

BayArea says

I may have missed it above but what all countries are you visiting?


Poland, Austria, Czecia
105   Patrick   2023 Jul 20, 12:08am  

AmericanKulak says

Patrick

Are there White males in commercials?


I will look.
106   Patrick   2023 Jul 20, 12:11am  

In Austria :




107   Patrick   2023 Jul 20, 12:32am  

In the Wielicka salt mine near Krakow :



And this is way the hell underground.
108   Patrick   2023 Jul 20, 12:40am  

Center of Tuliszków. My great great grandfather's house is on the far left and he planted the tree with the scar in the center.


109   gabbar   2023 Jul 20, 12:43am  

Trollhole says

India has the best prospects and is geopolitically sitting pretty sweet.


Why? Help me understand this.
110   Patrick   2023 Jul 20, 1:21am  

Patrick says

AmericanKulak says


Patrick

Are there White males in commercials?


I will look.


I watched some TV. The majority are white people including white men, but they frequently include blacks and Turks.
111   mell   2023 Jul 20, 5:18am  

The_Deplorable says


This doesn't make sense because unlike Europe, the US sent all their industrial operations - entire factories, the equipment, including the foundation bolts to China.

Agreed. It's irrelevant as GDP alone is mostly worthless without other measures. I say mostly because countries with a reasonably high GDP tend to do better, but it's meaningless once you reach a certain threshold. China is 2nd largest, but certainly way down in quality of life. Same for the US comparison to northern/Middle European countries. GDP per capital is roughly the same, but quality of life in their cities simply beats 80% of US cities. This is true for Switzerland, Germany and parts of Austria for sure, not necessarily sourther or eastern Europe. Demographics are also not really significant as you can sew with Japan, one of the GDP powerhouses and high standard of living. These graphs alone are meaningless.
112   mell   2023 Jul 20, 5:20am  

Trollhole says


Euro zone economy grew JUST 6% over the past 15 years.

US grew 82%.

This is meaningless, clearly you haven't traveled. It doesn't mean the US isn't a great country, but in terms of avg. quality of life it's behind. GDP alone becomes meaningless at some point. With deficit spending it can go infinite. Doesn't translate into better quality of life.

https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings.jsp

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