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Trump's reverse psychology denying any significance to the Epstein distraction worked. It really, really worked. Everybody is on fire to keep the Epstein revelations going and going, including the Dems now.

Trump can bail out and tell his gang stalkers he tried while shrugging his shoulders.

RayAmerica says

For the first time, survivors of Epstein’s network of abuse addressed the American people directly.

They should expect nothing more than a participation trophy.

Misc says

They should expect nothing more than a participation trophy.

Also when you see $$$$$ signs then you start talking. What is truth though? There's probably $100M+ in his estate. Supposed victims could get $1-2M a pop. Life changing money for most that they'll burn through.

I still believe this is a witch hunt that is a dead end. Rich people may be involved, but they're not the people you know or want to hear arrested. Ted Wilson (making a name up) in Iowa city with a bunch of farmland. That get ya going? Clinton was going to St. Thomas prior to knowing Epstein and then started flying on the Lolita. I dislike Clinton, even though he was the best POTUS since Trump.

The guy was getting BJ's in the White House from above age interns. He's also not stupid. I don't know about the one prince, they all seem gay in Europe anyway. But if there's any proven pedo's it will be people you've never heard of in your life. Maybe a few C level types that you know the name but it doesn't much matter. Again Jared from Subway. Anyone care about that guy now? Nope.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Didn’t think there was a chance under Biden. So meme is short sighted.

Trump ran on releasing it. Not Biden. And now, it is a Democrat hoax, apparently.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Trump ran on releasing it. Not Biden. And now, it is a Democrat hoax, apparently.

I get your point, but Dems are trying to flip the script. If Trump was involved in anything they could have trashed him. Or any of his donors. This appears to be a Dem coverup in my opinion. No facts to back that opinion, but I think Epstein was on the Dem side looking at some of the supposed perpetrators of sexual violence.

Professional lawfare man hating legal extortionists aren't a great look. How many false witnesses can Allred hire? Is she a double agent to discredit the Epstein agenda?

https://rumble.com/v6ygxlw-gloria-allred-spoke-at-the-epstein-survivor-presser-red-flag.html

LOL! The perpetually lying Mockingbird press will do a better job of discrediting the Epstein saga than Trump ever could.

WookieMan says

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Trump ran on releasing it. Not Biden. And now, it is a Democrat hoax, apparently.

I get your point, but Dems are trying to flip the script. If Trump was involved in anything they could have trashed him. Or any of his donors. This appears to be a Dem coverup in my opinion. No facts to back that opinion, but I think Epstein was on the Dem side looking at some of the supposed perpetrators of sexual violence.

Why not release and burn them all then?

From 2019:

https://mintpressnews.cn/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

Before getting to the Mega Group, it is worth noting one particular act apparently undertaken by Lauder while he was U.S. ambassador to Austria that has recently come to light in relation to the arrest in early July of Jeffrey Epstein ... When police recently discovered an Austrian passport with Epstein’s picture and a fake name after raiding his Manhattan residence, the source and purpose of the passport came under media scrutiny. ...

Given that Epstein was unable to meet the conventional qualifications for an Austrian passport — including long-term residency in Austria (the passport lists him as a resident of Saudi Arabia) and fluency in German — it appears that the only way to have acquired an Austrian passport was by unconventional means, meaning assistance from a well-connected Austrian official or foreign diplomat with clout in Austria. ...

Though Epstein’s defense attorney declined to reveal the identity of the “friend” who provided him with the fake Austrian passport, Lauder was both well-positioned to acquire it in Austria and also deeply connected to the Mega Group, which was co-founded by Epstein’s patron Leslie Wexner and to which Epstein has many connections. These connections to both the Austrian government and to Epstein’s mentor make Lauder the most likely person to have acquired the document on Epstein’s behalf. ...

Furthermore, Epstein and the Mega Group’s ties to the Israeli intelligence agency, Mossad, also suggest Lauder was involved in procuring the passport, in light of his close ties to the Israeli government and the fact that Mossad has a history of using ambassadors abroad to procure false, foreign passports for its operatives.

Eric Holder says

Why not release and burn them all then?

Agree. There's something here that none of us are seeing. We don't have the evidence so it's all just guessing.

Trump was a Dem at one point. He has friends in that realm. Pedophilia is generally a left leaning type thing. Some conservatives got into it, but I'd say it's 10:1 Left:Right. Epstein may haunt Trump's past with his associations with the left. I think Trump personally is clean, that said I think he obviously knew what was going on.

It's the kind of leave me out of your shit and leave me alone situation. If Trump knew something he's immediately implicated even if he didn't touch a minor. That's the world we live in.

I wonder if there is any connection between all this talk about releasing the Epstein files and Netanyahu’s stated desire to take away your freedom of speech?

The rabbit hole is too deep and too ineffably horrible/psychotic/depraved for the public's Overton stretch. There is unlikely to be any forensically useful source evidence that has not been tampered with as booby traps by CIA/Mossad/MI6 etc. etc., and the operations have been shifted to ongoing operations anyway into other venues that don't have the publicity spotlight. In other words, business as usual and there is no reason for Trump to get stuck on the tar baby.

So, now the whole affair has been twisted into a MSM Mockingbird parody with a three ring circus of crazy liberals, professional media and legal extortionists, and raving Congressional hit men.

The Epstein publicity has turned into a great disinformation cover for all of the Intel assets still honey potting and pedovoring/blackmailing someplace else without the cynosures of press examination. It sounds the alarm so all the police go to the site while they have free reign to rob the jewelry stores. Nobody even thinks of Epstein as being the tip of the Intel iceberg, they think it is the whole game.

Jizzlaine Lite Actress demonstrates they will deconstruct it into tawdry, shallow soap opera, maybe to resurrected from time to time as a publicity zombie.

The Jewish mafia in the US was a big funder of Israel early on.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/gangsters-for-zion

Shortly thereafter, Siegel came in. He sat opposite Dafni and asked him to tell why he was in Los Angeles. As Dafni relates, “I told him my story, how the Haganah was raising money to buy weapons with which to fight. When I finished, Siegel asked, ‘You mean to tell me Jews are fighting?’ Yes, I replied. Then Siegel, who was sitting across the table, leaned forward till his nose was almost touching mine. ‘You mean fighting, as in killing?’ Yes, I answered. Siegel leaned back, looked at me for a moment and said, ‘OK, I’m with you.’ ”

“From then on,” recalled Dafni, “Every week I got a phone call to go to the restaurant. And every week I received a suitcase filled with $5 and $10 bills. The payments continued till I left Los Angeles.” Dafni estimates that Siegel gave him a total of $50,000.

Later that year, Dafni was in a hotel in San Francisco. He went down for breakfast and bought a newspaper. The headline declared that Bugsy Siegel had been killed in Virginia Hill’s mansion. Dafni mused, “Thank God I took cash and not a check.”

https://mintpressnews.cn/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

The report, titled “Shapiro Homicide Investigation: Analysis and Hypothesis,” names Leslie Wexner as linked “with associates reputed to be organized crime figures” ...

The report also noted that Arthur Shapiro’s law firm — Schwartz, Shapiro, Kelm & Warren — represented Wexner’s company, The Limited, and states that “prior to his death, Arthur Shapiro managed this account [The Limited] for the law firm.” It also noted that, at the time of his death, Shapiro “was the subject of an investigation by the Internal Revenue Service because he had failed to file income tax returns for some seven years prior to his death, and he had invested in some questionable tax shelters.” It also stated that his death prevented Shapiro from his planned testimony at a grand jury hearing about these “questionable tax shelters.”

Maybe Epstein was also killed so that he could not talk about tax evasion.

https://mintpressnews.cn/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

The “Mega” Mystery and the Mossad

In May 1997, the Washington Post broke an explosive story — long since forgotten — based on an intercepted phone call made between a Mossad official in the U.S. and his superior in Tel Aviv that discussed the Mossad’s efforts to obtain a secret U.S. government document. According to the Post, the Mossad official stated during the phone call that “Israeli Ambassador Eliahu Ben Elissar had asked him whether he could obtain a copy of the letter given to [Palestinian leader Yasser] Arafat by [then-Secretary of State Warren] Christopher on Jan. 16, the day after the Hebron accord was signed by Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu.”

The Post article continued:

According to a source who viewed a copy of the NSA transcript of the conversation, the intelligence officer, speaking in Hebrew, said, ‘The ambassador wants me to go to Mega to get a copy of this letter.’ The source said the supervisor in Tel Aviv rejected the request, saying, ‘This is not something we use Mega for.’”

The leaked communication led to an investigation that sought to identify an individual code-named “Mega” that the Post said “may be someone in the U.S. government who has provided information to the Israelis in the past,” a concern that subsequently spawned a fruitless FBI investigation. The Mossad later claimed that “Mega” was merely a codeword for the U.S.’ CIA, but the FBI and NSA were unconvinced by that claim ...

Almost one year to the day after the “Mega” spy scandal broke, the Wall Street Journal was the first outlet to report on the existence of a little-known organization of billionaires that was “informally” called the Mega Group and had been founded years prior in 1991. The report made no mention of the spy scandal that had spread concerns of Israeli espionage in the U.S. only a year prior. However, the group’s distinctive “informal” name and the connections of its members to the Mossad and to high-ranking Israeli politicians, including prime ministers, raise the possibility that “Mega” was not an individual, as the FBI and NSA had believed, but a group.

https://mintpressnews.cn/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

Around this time, Maxwell was approached by British intelligence outfit MI6 and offered a position that Maxwell ultimately declined. MI6 then classified him as “Zionist — loyal only to Israel” and made him a person of interest. He later became an agent of the Mossad, according to several books including Robert Maxwell: Israel’s Superspy by Gordon Thomas and Martin Dillon. Furthermore, Seymour Hersh’s The Samson Option: Israel’s Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy alleges ties between Maxwell and Israeli intelligence.

According to Victor Ostrovsky, a former Mossad case officer:

Mossad was financing many of its operations in Europe from money stolen from Maxwell’s newspaper pension fund. They got their hands on the funds almost as soon as Maxwell made the purchase of the Mirror Newspaper Group with money lent to him by Mossad.”

https://mintpressnews.cn/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

Whereas the Mossad’s past reliance on gathering intelligence had relied on the same tactics used by its equivalents in the U.S. and elsewhere, the widespread adoption of the Promis software, largely through the actions of Earl Brian and Robert Maxwell, gave the Mossad a way to gather not just troves of counterintelligence data, but also blackmail on other intelligence agencies and powerful figures.

Indeed, Promis’ backdoor and adoption by intelligence agencies all over the world essentially provided the Mossad with access to troves of blackmail that the CIA and FBI had acquired on their friends and foes for over half a century. Strangely, in recent years, the FBI has sought to hide information related to Robert Maxwell’s connection to the Promis scandal.

https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/jun/28/sir-robert-maxwells-fbi-PROMIS/

https://mintpressnews.cn/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

Then there is the issue of Maxwell’s death, widely cited by mainstream and independent media alike as suspicious and a potential homicide. According to authors Gordon Thomas and Martin Dillon, Maxwell had sealed his own fate when he attempted to threaten top Mossad officials with the exposure of certain operations if they did not help him rescue his media empire from crippling debt and financial difficulties. Many of Maxwell’s creditors, who had grown increasingly displeased with the media mogul, were Israeli and several of them were alleged to be Mossad-connected themselves.

Thomas and Dillon argue in their biography of Maxwell’s life that the Mossad felt that Maxwell had become more of a liability than an asset and killed him on his yacht three months after he demanded the bailout.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/st-louis-post-dispatch-donald-trump-and/9383143/

Patrick says

Almost one year to the day after the “Mega” spy scandal broke, the Wall Street Journal was the first outlet to report on the existence of a little-known organization of billionaires that was “informally” called the Mega Group and had been founded years prior in 1991.

The SPECTRE-plex of fake, coined 'billionaire' executives, given unlimited liquidity and credit by the Rothschilds and City of London to take over market segments and invade politics. The oligarchs aren't 'self made', they are political and financial constructs with marching orders.

Life amongst the gangsters. Maxwell double triple quadruple agencied himself to death, trying to outsmart his bosses. They could have bailed him out financially easily, because most of these 'kingdoms' are based on vapor, anyway, and are made to be unraveled with credit needs. Instead of going quietly, Maxwell plundered his employees' retirement funds.
Patrick says

Many of Maxwell’s creditors, who had grown increasingly displeased with the media mogul, were Israeli and several of them were alleged to be Mossad-connected themselves.

LOL!

"If you don't do what we say, we will release Auntie Lindsay on you in open ass chaps and a tutu."

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the elephant in the room or in this case in Epstein's cell block

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Mossad_allegations;_Vanunu_case

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What's the Statute of Limitations on pimping out friends for $200 gift cards?

Don't we charge 16-17 year olds as adults for crimes?

Photo Op for the Left.

1 epstein victim sold her sister to him.

2 epstein victim sold her friends to him.

The sellers went to the press conference.

The actual victims did not.

Tells you everything you need to know.
https://x.com/0HOUR1__/status/1963321819538092173

Where was this energy during the Xiden Administration?

MASSIE: “Survivors at our press conference announced they are privately compiling their own Epstein list.
They would be sued into homelessness for naming names, but @RepMTG and I are willing to name names in the House of Representatives under Constitutional “speech or debate” immunity.”

Source: Thomas Massie (X) @RepThomasMassie

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

What's the Statute of Limitations on pimping out friends for $200 gift cards?

Don't we charge 16-17 year olds as adults for crimes?

Why isn't the DOJ jumping on the opportunity?

RWSGFY says

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

What's the Statute of Limitations on pimping out friends for $200 gift cards?

Don't we charge 16-17 year olds as adults for crimes?

Why isn't the DOJ jumping on the opportunity?

Because I don't think (me) there is an opportunity. There's data and evidence over 20 years on this. Stuff happened for sure, but we'll never get names besides flight logs.

Think about it, one door man, maintenance person, boat operator, etc. never assumed or saw anything? I'm talking the blue collar jobs. The cleaner. The IT guy for the supposed cameras. There are so many points of unintentional discovery and not one talked or saw anything?

I think everyone's dreams are going to be dashed by the promise of justice. Epstein is dead. Maxwell talked and said nothing basically. For those hoping for blood and names, I think the mission might be over.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

1 epstein victim sold her sister to him.

2 epstein victim sold her friends to him.

The sellers went to the press conference.

The actual victims did not.

Yes, from reading details in "Filthy Rich", it looks like most of the girls were recruited by other girls in a kind of pyramid scheme, with Ghislaine as top madam. There was a sliding payment scale depending on how much the girls allowed Epstein and the others to do. And they were generally poor girls from about 5 miles west of Palm Beach. And their fathers were generally absent or clueless.

But the customers are ultimately to blame for turning teen girls into prostitutes. And it was definitely not just Epstein.

It's still statutory rape.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

They would be sued into homelessness for naming names

It's all useless without the names.

One clever bit on Epstein's part was in targeting girls who were so young that they simply would not know who most of the guys were.

Patrick says

But the customers are ultimately to blame for turning teen girls into prostitutes. And it was definitely not just Epstein.

I disagree. This is the 19th Century Sentimentalism.

While we should and do hold Johns/Drug Addicts culpable, the Recruiters and Participants/Drug Lords are also culpable.

Patrick says

One clever bit on Epstein's part was in targeting girls who were so young that they simply would not know who most of the guys were.

Most of them were apparently over the age of consent, and there's some evidence the handful recruited younger than that were told by older girls to lie about their age.

Traci Lords

"Filthy Rich" documents that the large majority were under the age of consent.

This is why the Palm Beach police department did such an extensive investigation. Literally at least 450 under the age of consent, all very thoroughly documented because they want to build a very strong case.

The police department evidence was ignored by Kreischer the FL State Attorney, and Epstein was given a ridiculously light sentence which did not even require him to be present in prison during the day.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

I disagree. This is the 19th Century Sentimentalism.

While we should and do hold Johns/Drug Addicts culpable, the Recruiters and Participants/Drug Lords are also culpable.

No, the law is very clear that the culpability is entirely with the adults fucking minors.

And the age difference in all cases was truly vast, 50 to 70 year olds fucking 15 year olds.

WookieMan says

Think about it, one door man, maintenance person, boat operator, etc. never assumed or saw anything? I'm talking the blue collar jobs. The cleaner. The IT guy for the supposed cameras. There are so many points of unintentional discovery and not one talked or saw anything?

@WookieMan

They all saw and knew what was going on, including the cleaner, the IT guy, the maids, the cooks.

They just wanted to keep getting paid, except for one very Catholic Hispanic maid who couldn't take it and quit.

Again, it's well documented.