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The Hebrew idea of holiness is separation, which creates antisemitism


               
2024 Apr 26, 2:05pm   3,017 views  82 comments

by Patrick   follow (60)  

Most Hebrew prayers begin with "Blessed are you O Lord our God, king of all creation, who has sanctified us with his commandments..."

But that "sanctified us" (kidshanu) can also be read as "separated us":


The root of the word קדוש is קדש (Q-D-Sh), which is related to the concept of separation, distinction, or consecration. In Hebrew, this root is used to express the idea of something being set apart, dedicated, or consecrated for a specific purpose or to a particular deity. In the context of biblical Hebrew, קדוש (kadosh) is often used to describe something or someone that has been set apart for God's purposes, making it holy or sacred.


So a core principle of Judaism is separation from other people. This is literally what it means to be holy.

In other words, holiness is a rejection of all other people. This inevitably leads to hostility against the Jews, which further increases the separation in a feedback loop.

So my argument here is that Judaism itself creates antisemitism, which in turn helps to maintain Judaism. Without antisemitism, Jews would assimilate and no longer be Jews. So it is in the interest of Judaism to create some degree of antisemitism.


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74   Patrick   2025 Nov 15, 10:37am  

FortWayneHatesRealtors says


There is a reason, because it’s been that way for thousands of years. Jews get somewhere, and everyone gets pissed off at them enough to want them dead.

It’s not just Hitler, it’s every place. I don’t know exactly why, but Jews just find a way to piss everyone off every single time.


I think it's the deliberate separation mentioned in the original post above.

But also, it's the money lending. When enough people owe money to the Jews, then they all have an interest in getting rid of the Jews, and so getting rid of their debts.
75   Patrick   2025 Nov 15, 12:08pm  

SharkyP says


So what spawned the tradition that Jewishness passes down the through the mother?


Grok says:


Talmudic Rationale (Kiddushin 68b):
"You are certain of the mother, but not of the father."

This mirrors the Roman legal principle (mater semper certa est—"the mother is always certain"), which the rabbis adapted to protect Jewish lineage.
76   Ceffer   2025 Nov 15, 12:45pm  

Guess the cruel alien gods (who were alleged to be genetic engineers) informed them of the lineage confirming aspects of maternal mitochondrial DNA.


77   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Nov 15, 4:46pm  

FortWayneHatesRealtors says

It’s not just Hitler, it’s every place. I don’t know exactly why, but Jews just find a way to piss everyone off every single time.

They're too small to resist anywhere, and thus easily scapegoated. Add to it some money lending and you've just cancelled your loans.
78   HeadSet   2025 Nov 15, 6:05pm  

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

They're too small to resist anywhere

You have got to be joking. They are by far the most privileged group in the United States.
79   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2025 Nov 15, 8:35pm  

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

FortWayneHatesRealtors says


It’s not just Hitler, it’s every place. I don’t know exactly why, but Jews just find a way to piss everyone off every single time.

They're too small to resist anywhere, and thus easily scapegoated. Add to it some money lending and you've just cancelled your loans.


They get kicked out of every country and still blame everyone. No one else gets kicked out of every country, yet they manage somehow to piss everyone off every time.
80   Patrick   2025 Nov 15, 8:45pm  

Similar things do happen to other groups with similar cultures.

For example, the Indians (including Pakis) dominated commerce in Uganda, but had contempt for the local people and would never dream of letting their children marry native Ugandans. So they were expelled from Uganda by Idi Amin in 1972. I've met some of these Indians who were expelled from Uganda. They were allowed back in in 1985. Mamdani was born in Uganda in 1991.

Other groups that dominated commerce, kept deliberately separate from the majority, and got into trouble include the Chinese in SE Asia, Lebanese in West Africa, and the Armenians of the Ottoman Empire.

Jews are the archetype of the pattern, but it's not that unusual.

One could argue that the Boers in South Africa are another instance. Much richer than the majority, definitely don't want to intermarry with them, and are getting massacred now.
81   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Nov 15, 10:15pm  

HeadSet says


You have got to be joking. They are by far the most privileged group in the United States.

Too small in numbers to resist physically, historically. Beyond holding out in a quarter of the city for some weeks, they cannot retreat and wage war from the Highlands or Mountains like Scots or Druze or Montagnards. They did help hold Prague in the 1600s and were rewarded with honors by the Hapsburgs, but that's not popularized because it challenges other narratives of Judenpattern seekers..

Privileged how? Do they get DEI preferences? There is no "Jew" category on Federal Races; Jews (and until recently, Middle Easterners) were/are considered "White".

And they also punch way above their weight in discoveries and patents, too. What unearned ethnic privileges did Einstein or Landsteiner get?

Though some are now claiming they somehow cheat/bribe judges at live Chess Championships surrounded by Chess Nerds who would riot and spreg over the least violation or bending of the rules. "The time out was 7 miliseconds too long according to the Navy Atomic Clock!"
82   Patrick   2025 Dec 6, 3:46pm  

https://subscribe.martyrmade.com/p/thoughts-on-the-bible-response-to


Thus, when the Persians defeated the Babylonians and permitted the Jews to return to Jerusalem, only a minority of the Jews in Babylon actually went. After all, every Jew under 70 years old had been born and built their lives in Babylon, and the idea of leaving the functional center of civilization to rebuild a town in a provincial backwater - well, they sent well-wishes to anyone who chose to go, but the vast majority had no desire to go themselves. The ones who did go were not a random cross-section of Babylonian-Jewish society. They were the extremists, the hardened xenophobes who’d been preaching the necessity of cultural and blood purity. You might liken them to the hardcore religious Israeli settlers expanding into Palestinian land in the West Bank. Not only is it dangerous, but it’s far from the shopping centers in Tel Aviv, so a settler has to be very committed to the cause. The Jews returning to Jerusalem from Babylon were cut from similar cloth. ...

It’s no surprise, then, that the most consistent theme of non-Jews’ writings about Jews during this period has to do with their contempt for everyone else around them. The Greek historian Diodorus of Sicily, for example, complained that Jews “show good will toward none but their own.” A little later, the Roman Tacitus would record a similar criticism:

"Among themselves they are inflexibly honest and ever ready to shew compassion, though they regard the rest of mankind with all the hatred of enemies. They sit apart at meals, they sleep apart, and though, as a nation, they are singularly prone to lust, they abstain from intercourse with foreign women; among themselves nothing is unlawful. Circumcision was adopted by them as a mark of difference from other men. Those who come over to their religion adopt the practice, and have this lesson first instilled into them, to despise all gods, to disown their country, and set at nought parents, children, and brethren."

It’s likely that accounts written by foreigners contained exaggerations and misunderstandings, but in any case the Jews were intensely insular and xenophobic, and this led to predictably bad relations with virtually all of their neighbors. When Paul said that the Jews had “made themselves the enemies of all mankind,” he wasn’t making an ontological observation, but a straightforward sociopolitical one. ...

For the Pharisees and others, the Jews’ separateness had become an end in itself. ...

The Jewish liturgical calendar is dominated by ceremonies in remembrance of the wrongs done to them by Gentile nations. This was how they kept their people on the reservation for centuries when being Jewish often carried social and legal disabilities that could be wiped away for any Jew who converted to Christianity (or, later, Islam). In another essay, I remarked on a 2021 Pew poll of American Jews, asking what they considered to be the most important aspect of Jewish identity. Far and away the most common answer was “remembering the Holocaust.” Not religious observance, not even Zionism, but “remembering what the Gentiles have done to us.”

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