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as a kid, fluoride tablets were largely promoted to prevent caries. When I was about 8, after taking thousands of tablets, I had another tooth with a hole in it. Mom threw the box in the garbage. Years ago I stopped using fluoridated toothpaste, after reading alarming messages. Now, almost 60 years later, the science is catching up. Fluoride is a toxic waste product. Whoever came up with the idea of putting it in the drinking water is probably dead and cannot be held responsible anymore, but it is the highest time to get it back out. I also wonder about the bleach in drinking water. The town water is undrinkable to me, it smells and tastes of bleach. I suppose fluoride is tasteless and odourless. Thankfully most people hereabouts have a well (although that is not an insurance for safe water).
Has the water in Europe been fluoridated? I have to look that up,

No, Belgium does not fluoridate its water supply, though legislation permits it. However, some areas of Belgium have naturally occurring fluoride in their water supplies and bottled waters, and about 40% of the population is exposed to fluoridated salt. Netherlands does not either. France and Portugal do not. Germany stopped in the 1970s. None of the Scandinavian countries nor Austria, Switzerland, Greece or Russia.
Spain does in some areas. 10 % of the UK has fluoridated water. The mayority of Ireland has fluoride added... seems not very popular in Europe..

There are places where there is heavy naturally occurring flouride. You can often tell the people from those places because they have mottled (albeit less cavity prone) brown teeth. I think places in the Southwest have these naturally occurring flouride wells.

https://tdefender.substack.com/p/class-action-lawsuits-kids-fluoride-toothpaste-makers

6 Lawsuits Filed Today Accuse Makers of Children’s Fluoride Toothpaste of Violating Federal Law

Six class action lawsuits filed today accuse major dental product manufacturers of deceptively marketing products containing fluoride to young children and misleading parents.

The lawsuits name children’s toothpaste brands Crest and Colgate/Tom’s of Maine, and the children’s mouth rinse brands Act, Colgate/Tom’s of Maine, Firefly and Hello.

Plaintiffs include parents and caregivers in multiple states, including California, Illinois and New York. In the case of Crest toothpaste, the proposed class is nationwide. The lawsuits were filed in federal courts in California and Illinois.

According to the complaints, the plaintiffs were misled by the product marketing and as a result, didn’t follow public health guidelines when using the products. The lawsuits also allege the companies fail to adequately flag instructions for proper use, as mandated by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

According to the complaints, the companies design their product labels with candy and fruit juice flavors and images and cartoon characters to appeal to young children, often misleading them to think the products are meant to be consumed as food.

https://notthebee.com/article/the-democratic-party-posted-a-list-of-the-things-it-got-done-in-one-day-and-it-reads-like-satire

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/sanity-day-monday-march-10-2025-c

While Florida became the first state last year to recommend against county-level fluoridation, Utah is taking it one toothier step. Last week, Utah Governor Spencer Cox (R) said he will sign a bill banning fluoride from public water systems. “It’s got to be a really high bar for me if we’re going to require people to be medicated by their government,” Governor Cox told ABC4-Utah.

In other words— medical freedom.

Half of Utah already does not fluoridate their public drinking water. Governor Cox said dentists in those counties reported no higher levels of tooth decay than dentists in fluoridated counties. Grocery shelves are flooded with fluoridated toothpaste for anyone who wants it. So why force everyone to drink the chemical, which is not meant to be drunk anyway?

Last September, U.S. District Judge Edward Chen issued an 80-page ruling finding that the evidence — based on 72 different studies — supported a conclusion that fluoride was possibly a neurotoxin associated with IQ loss in children. The EPA, corporate media, and dental associations reflexively dismissed the finding as another conspiracy theory and have never looked back.

Patrick says

Grocery shelves are flooded with fluoridated toothpaste for anyone who wants it.

Yes, and if you need a higher dose, your dentist can write a prescription for special toothpaste.

Or you could just hit your kid in the head with a baseball bat.

Patrick says

Or you could just hit your kid in the head with a baseball bat.

I do not think brushing your teeth and spitting it out gives the same dosage as drinking fluoride in water.

HeadSet says

Patrick says

Or you could just hit your kid in the head with a baseball bat.

I do not think brushing your teeth and spitting it out gives the same dosage as drinking fluoride in water.

Agreed, it's not an issue if you spit it out. That being said, especially young kids and toddlers may tend to swallow bits of toothpaste, so it makes sense to buy fluoride free until they now what they're doing

We eliminated teflon last year. We use stainless steel or cast iron now. The teflon stuff only lasts for a while anyway before the sticky comes back, and with proper oils, it's just not that hard to clean stainless steel or cast iron. They warn you not to use teflon pans around pet birds because the fumes can poison them.

So, how long before the fluoride drains out of our brain and our systems? Dunno. Allegedly, years. I do know that my memory improved when we started drinking filtered water, enough to be noticeable. It's impossible to defeat every current poison the Rockefellers have placed in foods, medicines, water, air and cookware. We can just deal with them one at a time as best as can be recognized.

I have never used toothpaste anyway, just brush and swirl. I never used deodorant, either, (aluminum) except in special cases, but not for many years now.

Ceffer says

They warn you not to use teflon pans around pet birds because the fumes can poison them.

Talk about canary in the coal mine.

Ceffer says

I never used deodorant, either, (aluminum) except in special cases, but not for many years now.

Yes, whatever keeps the landlord from raising the rent. Anyway, I think the aluminum is only in anti-perspirants, not regular deodorant.

HeadSet says

Ceffer says

I never used deodorant, either, (aluminum) except in special cases, but not for many years now.

Yes, whatever keeps the landlord from raising the rent. Anyway, I think the aluminum is only in anti-perspirants, not regular deodorant.

That's a good point, although the two terms are often used interchangeably with the underarm stuff.

Ceffer says

I have never used toothpaste anyway, just brush and swirl. I never used deodorant, either, (aluminum) except in special cases, but not for many years now.

I have been using plain baking soda after my dentist suggestion. Since its slightly base, it avoids bio films created by bad bacteria to form plaques. Tooth paste contains carcinogens like Sodium lauryl sulfate.

Blue says

Ceffer says

I have never used toothpaste anyway, just brush and swirl. I never used deodorant, either, (aluminum) except in special cases, but not for many years now.

I have been using plain baking soda after my dentist suggestion. Since its slightly base, it avoids bio films created by bad bacteria to form plaques. Tooth paste contains carcinogens like Sodium lauryl sulfate.

Yes. Baking Soda is a frequent suggestion. Doesn't taste great, but you don't want the flavorings anyway.

As mentioned, we are moving to Greenville, SC from the greater Rockville/Gaithersburg/North Bethesda Maryland area. The water where we live in in Maryland is so over-chlorinated, that we have to use a Berkey water filter system to improve the taste. A real hassle just to have drinking water. Greenville’s water right out of the tap is quite tasty, by contrast. https://www.greenvillewater.com/water-resources

mell says

Agreed, it's not an issue if you spit it out. That being said, especially young kids and toddlers may tend to swallow bits of toothpaste, so it makes sense to buy fluoride free until they now what they're doing

Their 1st teeth are going to fall out anyway.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

mell says

Agreed, it's not an issue if you spit it out. That being said, especially young kids and toddlers may tend to swallow bits of toothpaste, so it makes sense to buy fluoride free until they now what they're doing

Their 1st teeth are going to fall out anyway.

Right but counter arguments would be to get them used to brushing and to avoid gum infection or other rot. Instinctively I think it's probably fine in most cases to not have them brush and say eat an apple instead for fresh breath while they're little, but even 2 years olds can develop quite nasty breaths. Again fluoride in tap water is much worse IMO than in toothpastes. Tik Tok prob worse for children's IQ