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Testing the Danegeld

Is it really keeping them pacified?

For the first time since the program’s modern form in 1964, we are about to discover whether the underclass can be pacified indefinitely with prepaid debit cards or whether the entire enterprise has been a sophisticated form of Danegeld, tribute paid to prevent the barbarians from storming the gates.

The analogy is thrown around on social media. The original Danegeld was silver extorted by Viking raiders from Anglo-Saxon kings too timid or too weakened to fight. Pay the danes, went the logic, and they will sail away. They never did. The tribute merely whetted appetite and advertised vulnerability. ...

The program’s defenders insist the comparison is grotesque. Hunger is not piracy. Malnutrition is not marauding. Yet the pacification theory does not require literal violence, only the credible threat of disorder. It’s the mob threat of nice rich playground you got here shame if we burned it down. When Mayor Eric Adams of New York warns that cutting SNAP will produce “looting in the streets,” he is not predicting famine but signaling the unspoken compact. Keep the EBT cards loaded, or the underclass (violent, resentful, and concentrated in vote-rich urban wards) will make life untenable and governance impossible. The threat is rarely articulated so baldly, but it hovers over every budget negotiation like the ghost of the ‘60s riots. ...

Why do they get to hold everyone else hostage? If ruralites are told to go to the city to get a job, why are these urban residents unemployed and needing our tax money? Can we stop the convoluted lies propping this all up?

The barbarians are not at the gates. These are shock troops. They will riot only if Democratic leadership thinks it is useful. The gates were opened from within, and the silver handed over willingly. The shutdown is merely the moment we notice the treasury is empty, and that the Vikings, far from starving, have grown fat on our fear.

Patrick says

Democratic leadership

That includes the Democrat activist and Woke jurists like this one: https://www.npr.org/2025/10/31/nx-s1-5592366/snap-food-benefits-judge-trump-administration-usda-wic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indira_Talwani

I noticed Felicity Huffman was charged with "honest services fraud". I wonder if the same activist judge would charge Democrat activists with mail in ballot fraud with honest services fraud as far as harming legal voters.

So, a District Judge tells the Executive Branch that it must pay Food Stamps.

I feel the Executive Branch should simply ignore this court order as it is blatantly unconstitutional. We cannot allow a District Court Judge to determine what constitutes an "Emergency". with regards to actions taken by the Executive Branch.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/snap-benefits-must-continue-despite-shutdown-judge-tells-trump-administration/ar-AA1PAwua

Ghettogeld for the Visigoth fifth column of chronic incompetent and criminally inclined cuckoo birds who vote for their Democratgeld plantation owners.

Misc says

So, a District Judge tells the Executive Branch that it must pay Food Stamps.

If Trump must pay Food Stamps out of contingency funds, then it certainly can pay for constitutionally essential things like the military.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

If Trump must pay Food Stamps out of contingency funds, then it certainly can pay for constitutionally essential things like the military.

It's simply not Constitutional as I stated. By this reasoning the Judicial Branch usurps control of the purse which belongs to Congress.

Misc says

It's simply not Constitutional as I stated. By this reasoning the Judicial Branch usurps control of the purse which belongs to Congress.

Yep.

But the dumbass Judge just gave Trump wiggle room that he did not intend to give him.

If the Dems try lawfare to stop that, the AG is going to be like "Well this District Court said SNAP had to be paid, and what could be more vital than military wages?"

Mark Mitchell, Rasmussen Reports
@honestpollster

If SNAP were cutoff in the US, Walmart US stores would have a negative
operating margin.

SNAP is literally what makes Walmart profitable.

Might want to short Walmart stock if we're going to stay shut down.

Oct 26, 2025

Makes sense, the richest family in America getting its funds from the government.

Patrick says

It’s the same in giver/taker relationships. The animosity, that is.

Are we going to discover that the bulk of the EBT and SNAP are not about food but about funding a vast black market of money laundering substitutions that support drugs, alcohol, cigarettes and ghetto glitter?

Ceffer says

Are we going to discover that the bulk of the EBT and SNAP are not about food but about funding a vast black market of money laundering substitutions that support drugs, alcohol, cigarettes and ghetto glitter?

Yes.

stereotomy says

Ceffer says

Are we going to discover that the bulk of the EBT and SNAP are not about food but about funding a vast black market of money laundering substitutions that support drugs, alcohol, cigarettes and ghetto glitter?

Yes.

It's also a subsidy to retail food stores.

The government could buy wholesale food and let people in real need pick it up. That would save taxpayers billions. But it would cut into Walmart's profits.

Soda #2

Patrick says

The government could buy wholesale food and let people in real need pick it up. That would save taxpayers billions. But it would cut into Walmart's profits.

Government could just let Walmart do it and save most of the distribution costs. They pick up their Government Cheese, ham and bacon ends, chicken hearts and pig's feet and other low interest meat products, various seasonal, surplus fresh fruits and veggies, and rice and beans. 1 Box a week, come get it, no choice.

The 21 states that refused to send their SNAP data to the USDA are:

California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Hawaii
Illinois
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Nevada
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
And, of course, Washington, D.C. is in the mix too.

These states are stonewalling because they know the fraud is massive. When you hide the books, it’s never to protect the honest folks—it’s to cover up the rot. Meanwhile, the states that did cooperate are already exposing exactly the kind of abuse the left swears doesn’t exist.

My wife is kind of funny. She has always been thrifty. In Santa Cruz, she was enraged by the welfare food giveaways while she paid retail, so she decided she would go to the food banks herself. She's even made friends with some of the regulars, but will adamantly stand in line to get hers.

She brings home produce, designer breads, salsa etc. etc. She does this two days at two different places as kind of a hobby and socialization chats with odd buddies. I would presume there are others that do it, too, who can afford their own groceries.

I wish she wouldn't do it because we can easily afford even inflated grocery prices, but I can't stop her penny pinching ways. She is militant about it and has friends there now.

The downside is we wind up throwing away food because what she brings home two people can't readily consume, which makes me feel guilty.

Much of the stuff is a little old and shelf dated, but is still quite usable, and expensive botique brands are donated. I will give neighbors some of the breads on their doorsteps.

LOL! Laundering the vote bribes through virtue signaling welfare. Puts the bread in bread and circuses.

Patrick says

Pay attention to this ^^ oh UBI Fluffers of PatNet.

(And yes, UBI is welfare.)

MREs are about 10,000 calories when fully consumed.

MolotovCocktail says

Patrick says

Pay attention to this ^^ oh UBI Fluffers of PatNet.

(And yes, UBI is welfare.)

Who gets to determine who the losers are?

For Florida the average EBT payment is $185 per person per month. That's tough to get by on, and I assume the EBT recipient also gets help such as from local food banks.

At around $6 a day, that includes $2 for breakfast (a couple of eggs, Wonder Bread toast, an apple or banana and one strip of thick bacon, and coffee with milk and sugar).

For lunch I'd get a $1 Walmart Great Value can of cannelli beans with $1 in Barilla ditalini (1/2 pound) and add some black pepper.

For dinner I'd cook a pound of chicken legs ($1.29 at Walmart) in a slow cooker and serve with a 75 cents can of Great Value peas.

The 'S' in SNAP stands for supplemental. The program is not designed to provide people with their total daily nutritional needs.

RC2006 says

Soda #2

While the percentage is about 20% between the two SNAP and non SNAP sides of the chart, it is still way too high in my opinion.

In reality no one should really be drinking soda. It's a completely unnecessary product in my opinion. It dehydrates you so even basic excise like walking a mile is harder. Obviously one of many culprits to diabetes.

Besides alcohol it's probably the worst thing health wise one can consume. Alcohol in moderation though isn't all that harmful and I've know a few legit alcoholics that lived to 90.

The other foods on the list are a quantity discussion and portion control. So they can be negative too, but generally you have to go crazy with some of them to get fat. Desserts and candy are probably 2nd and 3rd to soda.

Never thought of this as well. Who thought it was a good idea to have three of the worst eating events in the 4th quarter of the year when you're less likely to work out? Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas, hell the whole month of December with holiday parties all month. Then where it gets cold, everyone goes into hibernation for the winter basically.

Topic for a different thread, but I think we should get rid of Halloween if at all possible.

I know folks who drink only soda/pop...no water ! I can't imagine living my life, this way.

CNN host Ashley Allison says SNAP is having a "massive impact" after she went to her eyebrow technician who told her they had to fire people because clients don't have money to do their brows.

She said

"This is having a massive impact. I went and got my eyebrows done the other day, and my eyebrow technician said they're going to fire two technicians because all of their clients don't have money to come."

She said the quiet part out loud, so I had to fact-check this. According to CNN transcripts, she did, in fact, say this.

People are selling their EBT cards ...and also .. taxpayers are buying their groceries for them so they have money to spend on eyelashes, hair and nails....and also vacations.
This is why it is imperative that we remove people from SNAP, make new rules, and then start all over again. Background check, periodic drug tests, and actively searching for jobs.

Obummer.