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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-socialist-064400418.html

Why not just make one post?

WookieMan says

Why not just make one post?

I would be more worried about Trump's headlong charge into Socialism and government control of production, labor, and markets.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/07/capitalism-defense-trump-corruption/683679/

David Frum is a hardcore conservative with ties to the American Enterprise Institute, National Review, etc.

Nomograph says

Taking government control over U.S. Steel is, by definition, pure Socialist practice.

When you start adding up Trump's Socialist policies, it's becoming quite clear where he is taking us:

1. Trump's government ownership of production = Socialism.
2. Trump's attempts at government control of pricing = Socialism
3. Trump's attempts at government control of labor markets = Socialism
4. Trump's attempts at government control over goods and services (e.g. tariffs) = Socialism
5. Etc., etc., etc.

Trump is taking is down a Socialist shithole while Republicans cheer their Dear Leader.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/yes-trump-just-nationalized-us-steel

But he denationalized NPR/PBS, which with the internet, podcasting, and streaming has no reason to exist as a federally funded enterprise.

So it's a wash.

Trump won't be here very long. Imagine a world where Hillary, Kamala, or similar becomes President. Do you want them to control major corporations like U.S. Steel? Or is Socialism only OK when it's your preferred Dear Leader?

PanicanDemoralizer says

But he denationalized NPR/PBS

Congrats on being easily distracted by non-issues while Trump takes us headlong into Socialism.

What’s the agenda? First he killed Epstein. Then he killed hulk. Now he is a socialist. What’s the agenda Glowie?

PeopleUnited says

What’s the agenda? First he killed Epstein. Then he killed hulk.

Trump killed Epstein?

Trump is somewhat socialist - he reminds me of 1970’s vintage democrats who would do exactly this type of thing.
One can also remember what Cesar Chavez said about illegals- reminds me of a (more consistent) Trump

Bd6r says

Trump is somewhat socialist - he reminds me of 1970’s vintage democrats who would do exactly this type of thing.

So you are saying that Trump is a 70's democrat? That doesn't make sense. Trump is the only president I can remember who tried to take over private industry and give full government control over free markets

Nomograph says

PeopleUnited says

What’s the agenda? First he killed Epstein. Then he killed hulk.

Trump killed Epstein?

Very funny glowie.
https://patrick.net/post/1385134/2025-07-23-trump-killed-epstein?start=4

National Railroad Passenger Corporation, signed into law by Nixon and voted for by progressive Democrats in Senate and Congress.

I guess I don't get the post. We have a government. That by default is a level of socialism. Regulation and control by the government, while inefficient generally, is needed at times. From the OP anyone can compete as a private industry in the steel market. That's what he is trying to do if you really look at it.

Look up the South Works site in Chicago. Employed thousands of blacks with solid paying jobs. Steel manufacturing left the country and crime on the south side of Chicago went through the roof. It literally decimated one of the once great cities. Politics was a part of that as well but the pendulum swung in the other direction of employers paying people to government giving out money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Works

Sometimes government does need to get involved to stoke change. I don't think Trump wants government to make steel. He wants competition to make it here. You got your terms wrong. That's nationalism and/or populism. Blacks will work and get out of the drug trades and gangs. If this "type" of socialism is something you don't like maybe rethink your position. Comes across as racist to be blunt. Their lives are so great working in an Amazon, Target, Walmart, etc warehouse for $15/hr.

Odd that opinion is being stated as fact.

I can’t find one non Trump hater that opposes this move. Not do I find the arguments that this move is “nationalizing” steel to be compelling. Rather the arguments I see are instead “slippery slope” type arguments. So while the headlines blare “Trump nationalizing steel”, the content of the articles themselves fall far short.

Interestingly, the nomotroll seems quite content to use the same tactics. Widesweeping statements with selective opinion as backing.

In other terms, argument lacks sufficient factual basis.

Crappy foreign steel is leading to dangers in our defense infrastructures, shipyards, air defenses and hard assets. Whatever Trump is doing with steel, it is to bring it back onshore and bring back the quality rather than allowing it to be undermined by the usual suspects.

So, if Trump can't be branded a Nazi in the fake news propaganda fronts, try out an inversion by labelling him a socialist to divide his base again?

More daft hysterical agitprop and AI generated bullshit, as usual. If they can get the baloney NPCs to disgorge the baloney as truth, they succeed?

Every free and advertising rag in Santa Cruz is riddled with propaganda lies. The lies have become en flagrante screaming match. I guess it's a good sign that when their volume goes up, they are desperate and failing.

WookieMan says

Why not just make one post?

Cuz he's just helicopter trolling you ass, is why.

He does this two or three times a year.

If tariffs and immigration control, which have been law since our founding, are socialist, what else could be? Voting?

Btw David Frum, the NYT’s token conservative, puts the neo in neo-con. Find any way his “conservatism” parts with Israel’s interests.

Nomograph says

David Frum is a hardcore conservative with ties to the American Enterprise Institute, National Review, etc.

David Frum is a has-been Free Traitor Hyperinterventionist with no clout since 2008. Probably writes for the Dispatch too.

Nomograph, I doubt you're really concerned about socialism at all.

Remember that there are trillions of dollars on the line right now, money being extracted from the poorest American citizens and shoveled upward to the elite via outsourcing to China and insourcing criminal aliens. The goal in both cases is to avoid paying US wages to US citizens, in order to increase profits.

Trump got elected to fix those problems because no one else was doing anything about them. Just a fraction of those trillions of dollars can buy an awful lot of corporate media propaganda. Are you a reader of the NY Times?

The US probably has a hard time competing with foreign steel companies exactly because of that wage issue. The problem with letting US industries die is that the US then becomes dependent on foreign countries.

Patrick says

Remember that there are trillions of dollars on the line right now, money being extracted from the poorest American citizens and shoveled upward to the elite via outsourcing to China and insourcing criminal aliens. The goal in both cases is to avoid paying US wages to US citizens, in order to increase profits.

Trump got elected to fix those problems because no one else was doing anything about them. Just a fraction of those trillions of dollars can buy an awful lot of corporate media propaganda. Are you a reader of the NY Times?

The US probably has a hard time competing with foreign steel companies exactly because of that wage issue. The problem with letting US industries die is that the US then becomes dependent on foreign countries.

An idea I’ve not seen yet for re-incentivizing the hiring of American citizens: doing away with the payroll tax and perhaps medical. Illegal workers get, dollar for dollar, wages akin to citizens (see what they charge for private construction and gardening projects - it’s no bargain). Companies hire illegally because it’s far cheaper than paying legal workers’ payroll tax, fica, Medicare tax, social security tax, workman’s comp insurance, and medical benefits.

The left loves FDR’s new deal job benefits, then undercuts them by hiring under the table. Same as mandatory high minimum wage, which incentivizes illegal hiring (or closing the shop).

Patrick says

Nomograph, I doubt you're really concerned about socialism at all.

Hahaha. Номограф trolling exposed again.

goofus says

An idea I’ve not seen yet for re-incentivizing the hiring of American citizens: doing away with the payroll tax and perhaps medical.

I'd go further and eliminate all taxes on income, running the country only on tariffs and land value taxes. Georgism is the answer.

Patrick says

goofus says

An idea I’ve not seen yet for re-incentivizing the hiring of American citizens: doing away with the payroll tax and perhaps medical.

I'd go further and eliminate all taxes on income, running the country only on tariffs and land value taxes. Georgism is the answer.

I'd be happy to try it. And/or a flat tax on any realized income.

MolotovCocktail says

Номограф

LOLOLOL

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

MolotovCocktail says

Номограф

LOLOLOL

I definitely did, translates perfectly too!

Also quite fitting.

PanicanDemoralizer says

Nomograph says

David Frum is a hardcore conservative with ties to the American Enterprise Institute, National Review, etc.

David Frum is a has-been Free Traitor Hyperinterventionist with no clout since 2008. Probably writes for the Dispatch too.

PanicanDemoralizer says

Nomograph says

David Frum is a hardcore conservative with ties to the American Enterprise Institute, National Review, etc.

David Frum is a has-been Free Traitor Hyperinterventionist with no clout since 2008. Probably writes for the Dispatch too.

The guy writes for The Atlantic and MSDNC. Enuff said.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/friends-with-benefits-saturday-august

Several alert readers sought my thoughts about the Intel play. The Times reported the story yesterday under the headline, “Intel Agrees to Sell U.S. a 10% Stake in Its Business.” It’s historic and nearly unprecedented. Is this socialism? ...

Intel’s woes have been brewing for over a decade. It stumbled in the 2010’s, failing to produce smartphone chips, outpaced by more nimble foreign competitors. In 2015, it launched a massive, $300 million DEI initiative, which didn’t help any. Last year, it posted record losses ($18.8 billion) and was delisted from the Dow, insultingly replaced by Taiwan-affiliated gaming chipmaker NVIDIA (now the world’s AI leader).

Despite all that, Intel is still one of the only fully U.S.-headquartered and sourced firms with the capacity to design and manufacture advanced chips here. That makes it a strategic choke-point. The NSA and DoD simply cannot operate without trusted silicon. ...

Also, as part of the deal, Intel had to fire its new CEO, Lip-Bu Tan, who has deep ties to China (sitting on the boards of many Chinese tech companies). Two weeks ago, Trump called for him to quit. (“The CEO of Intel is highly conflicted and must resign, immediately. There is no other solution to this problem.”)

Tan is gone. TAW.

The simple version is that Trump saved Intel to protect American national security interests, and he also secured Biden’s “free” grant commitment with Intel stock. That’s unprecedented. ...

This isn’t socialism. Bailouts are socialism. It’s not capitalism, either. It’s more like shareholder nationalism— Washington taking an equity cut of a strategic company instead of just regulating it or bailing it out. A distressed but critical manufacturer got the money to stay in business, but this time, American taxpayers get to enjoy the benefits.