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2009 Sep 13, 4:39pm   14,934 views  73 comments

by homeowner_for ever_san jose   ➕follow (0)   💰tip   ignore  

Great Post by Lu Cifer, http://Lu666Cifer.blogspot.com

"Dear Republicans,

I'm sick of this bullshit.

I'm sick of the way you've corrupted the public discourse. The way you've made it acceptable to hurl any insult you like at public officials. The way you blame us for the current atmosphere of hatred by accusing us of starting it with hating Bush. Like Bush didn't come on the heels of eight years of your tireless efforts to destroy Clinton by any means necessary, like Bush didn't give us good reason to complain. A couple of posters on a website compared Bush to Hitler and you've used it as free license to compare Obama to Hitler 24/7 and I'm sick of your hypocrisy, where it's acceptable to say things about Obama that you would have had an apoplectic fit (and did) if anything remotely similar had been said about your guys. Keith Olbermann calls Cheney a fascist when he was actually using fascist tactics and you think that gives you the freedom to call Obama a fascist, socialist, Marxist constantly for no reason at all. Forget your bullshit false equivalency.

I'm sick of the way you've made the populace stupid. Around a fifth of your populace thinks the sun orbits the earth, over half think evolution never happened. Your populace actually believe the media has a liberal bias. Not because it has, you have the most conservative media in the free world, but because you've shouted it so loud and so often that you've brainwashed the public into believing it, like the battered wife who parrots her husband's insults. You've got a whole segment of the populace shouting about socialism and fascism and none of them know what the words mean. You've convinced them that fascism is a left-wing thing. You've got them so turned around that some of them actually believe global warming isn't happening.

I'm sick of the way you try to destroy the whole concept of government. You've tricked the people into believing that government can't do anything right, always being careful to exclude the army because you love your bullets and bombs but you've so destroyed the public's ability to reason that they don't even think of interstate highways, the space program, the national parks program, etc. Government is always great when it's doing what you tell it and inevitably corrupt when it isn't.

I'm sick of your rewriting of history. You've bleated so loud and long that Reagan was a great president, that the New Deal didn't work, that cutting taxes increases revenues, that you actually have the people believing this bullshit. And these are the same people who will go on to become teachers and fill their student's heads with this self-same bullshit. Reagan was a mediocre president at best who had the good fortune to be in power when the USSR collapsed under it's own weight and you bastards have turned him into the Second Coming. You've rewritten history so that everything foul and hateful and wrong can be attributed to a Democrat while everything worthwhile is a Republican's glory.

I'm sick of your dragging the center ever further to the right. How many whackjob fringe ideas have you dragged into the mainstream? The aforementioned idea that tax cuts increase revenues, the Laffer Curve, the idea that Welfare harms the poor, the idea that there's rampant fraud in Welfare, the idea that whatever is good for corporations is good for the country. And you push these ideas through your corporate media and you do it so long and loud that they become part of the accepted political landscape and because it is easier to tell a lie than to debunk one, we never get away from this rancid dreck.

I'm sick of your casual criminality. Teddy Kennedy, a man who's boots you were not worthy to lick, was just buried and all I've heard from my rightist friends for days is Chappaquiddick, Chappaquiddick, Chappaquiddick. Your golden boy raped the Constitution, mainly because he wanted to; tortured random people (and waterboarding is torture) essentially because he wanted to; spent like a drunken sailor, essentially because he wanted to; invaded a sovereign nation, essentially for the loot and destroyed people's lives, essentially for the evilulz and you bastards are obsessed with an accident a Democrat had decades ago? You don't go on about Laura Bush killing some guy decades ago.

I'm sick of you praising pure evil. You're letting Dick Cheney be the standard-bearer for Republicanism. Dick Cheney, a man so nakedly evil that even his friends call him "Darth"; a man so callous that Lex Luthor would recoil in terror; a man who probably has dismembered hitchhikers in those man-sized safes and kills plants by his mere proximity.

I'm sick of your attempts to tilt the playing field permanently in your favor. Democrats filibustered a few of Bush's most hateful judicial picks and you pricks started screaming about doing away with the filibuster but now you're in the minority, you're filibustering absolutely everything you can and whining when you don't get the chance. You ignored everything the Democrats had to say when you had power and now that you don't, you scream that everyone must be bipartisan. You don't budge an inch on anything but you insist that everyone must compromise to meet you. That's your idea of politics: Don't move an inch, force the other guy to come to the right to meet you and call the result a "compromise".

I'm sick of your corporatism. You dress it up in false populism but anyone with half a brain can see that you're the brought and paid for subsidiary of big business. You keep pushing tax cuts as the answer for absolutely everything, you keep sabotaging every attempt to control the excesses of big business. You genuinely think the world would be a better place if it was a combination of Bill Gibson's dystopian vision of a corporate dominated world and Ayn Rand's bullshit Objectivism, yet another entry in mankind's endless attempts to find a moral justification for naked greed. You've taken the clinically insane spewings of a woman literally to the right of Hitler (pardon my Godwins) and the 1984-like vision of a dystopian author and convinced yourselves that would be a good place to live. Big business is the enemy of the people, always has been. The ideal for the corporate class is to have a small pool of people rich enough to buy their crap and a much larger pool of people so poor and with so few options that they can be used and abused at the corporation's whim. A corporation's objective is not to look after you, it is to make ever-larger profits by any means necessary. You bastards want to reinstate slavery to the corporate class and you've made the public so stupid that they actually swallow the bullshit you're serving up, they actually want to enslave themselves to the corporations that abuse them at every turn. They actually care more about the corporations right to make obscene profits than they care about their child's right to live on a habitable planet. "

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13   Blk_Repub   2009 Sep 14, 2:08am  

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible for yourself!

MODERN VERSION: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving..

CBS, NBC , PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.' Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing, 'We shall overcome.' Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Nancy Pelosi & John Kerry exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

14   Patrick   2009 Sep 14, 2:48am  

homeowner_for ever_san jose says

Big bussinesses are evil and they do what they do because thats the only way they can make money !!

I wouldn't say they are evil exactly, just completely amoral. Corporations are bound by law to make the most money they can for their shareholders. If they started just being nice, their shareholders could sue them.

That's all fine -- as long as we have legal restraints on what corporations can do. The law must be bigger than the corporations, and must stop them from making money by grinding up children to sell as dog food, for example. Corporations will scream and cry the the government is interfering in the free market, and they'd be right. A totally unregulated free market would kill us all.

Too much regulation is bad, but too little regulation is bad too.

I think most of our current problems can be traced to corporate involvement in government, bending the laws too much in favor profit above being human. The solution is to eliminate all corporate lobbying, and eliminate the corporation's legal equivalence to a human being. Corporations are not human and we should not pretend they are. Think of the corporation as a dangerous piece of machinery. It makes things you want, but you need safety rules around it if you don't want to get some fingers chopped off.

15   WitchOnWheels   2009 Sep 14, 3:05am  

Don't worry guy. The vast majority will be just as screwed when they or a loved one gets sick and the private insurance company they love so much comes up with a bullshit reason to deny the care they need as any Obama voter would be. And they'll be the first to scream "Where's the government?".

16   HeadSet   2009 Sep 14, 3:21am  

The solution is to eliminate all corporate lobbying

That is entirely a political issue. Until voters are willing to throw out thier reps that are beholden to lobbyists, nothing will happen. Unfortunately, such a concern will not happen until voters see politicians as individuals, not as some collective like "The Republican Party." Too many want to excuse improprieties from a memeber of the "correct" party, using compensating examples of improprieties from the "wrong" party.

17   HeadSet   2009 Sep 14, 3:24am  

I think most of our current problems can be traced to corporate involvement in government

True, but check the history of any regulating agency. It is almost a proverb that the agency starts out as a crusader to protect the public from a demostrated excess, but then slowly evolves into an advocate of the group they are supposed to be policing.

18   HeadSet   2009 Sep 14, 3:25am  

Blk_Repub,

Good post!

But the moral of your fable does not seem to be "take care of yourself", but to party hardy, since if you save your accumulations will be confiscated and reallocated to the polically connected/protected.

The "stupid to save" philosophy runs rampant with my English relatives. After all, medical care is free, housing for subjects over 80 is free (including a warden or other caretakers), and if one is ever made redundant, a generous dole kicks in. The only savings they would do is something like to put away short term cash to fund a trip to Majorca.

19   Patrick   2009 Sep 14, 3:39am  

HeadSet says

Unfortunately, such a concern will not happen until voters see politicians as individuals, not as some collective like “The Republican Party.”

Wow, that's a great idea actually. Politicians should be elected on the basis of what they themselves believe, not on toeing their party line. I really relate to that. I get called socialist and liberal for supporting the idea that we are one country and should take care of our own people's health. But I also really don't like government mortgage subsidies that drive up the cost of a house and create debt. Some people would call that Republican.

But maybe individuals just can't get elected because they can't come up with the organization and money necessary.

20   HeadSet   2009 Sep 14, 4:04am  

Some Guy says

Can’t be done. We have a two-party system. In any given election, BOTH candidates are beholden to lobbyists.

True, but my pipe dream is the public will start voting on issues and not personality or party. That way, candidates would have to state thier platform precisely and the two party system would die out.

Besides, if one Demopublican is voted out for being to cozy with lobbyists, the next race would have both parties stubling over themselves to distance themselves from lobbyists. 'Tis another pipe dream, though. The current president promised to curb lobbyists and has done no such thing, and his inaction will have no bearing on his re-election chances.

21   HeadSet   2009 Sep 14, 4:12am  

we are one country and should take care of our own people’s health

Good point, but should not that be left up to the States? Fire departments, school systems, universities and police departments are all large enterprises run by states with varying degrees of delegation to local governments. Why can't each State set up health care as it sees fit along the same lines?

22   HeadSet   2009 Sep 14, 4:20am  

But maybe individuals just can’t get elected because they can’t come up with the organization and money necessary.

Self fulfilling loop, that. Without politcal parties it would not cost over $1 million to run for a Mayor's job that pays $20k per year. (Newport News, VA).

That is like saying the reason we need easy credit is so people can afford the inflated house prices.

23   permanent_marker   2009 Sep 14, 5:07am  

is there a 'BEST OF PATRICK.NET' just like on Craigslist? :-)
If so, this one qualifies

24   Tomrisk   2009 Sep 14, 5:51am  

homeowner_for ever_san jose says

“Dear Republicans,
I’m sick of this bullshit.
I’m sick of the way you’ve corrupted the public discourse.
I’m sick of the way you’ve made the populace stupid.
I'm sick of the way you try to destroy the whole concept of government.
I’m sick of your rewriting of history.
I’m sick of your dragging the center ever further to the right.
I’m sick of your casual criminality.
I’m sick of you praising pure evil.
I’m sick of your attempts to tilt the playing field permanently in your favor.
I’m sick of your corporatism.

Oops, I didn't know Obama is an Republican... :P

Who's talking:

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/14/obamas-speech-what-will-be-different-next-time/?hp

My next question is, which president will make more damage to U.S.A. after all, Bush or Obama?
. Bush $2.5 Trillion Deficit
. Obama $4.9 Trillion Deficit
. About the same "Evil"
. None of the above, American can blame noone, they all deserve it

Who's More Evil:

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/

My 2 stupid cents.

25   HeadSet   2009 Sep 14, 7:13am  

Some Guy says

How would that work, exactly? Let’s say California has free health care, and Nevada doesn’t. What do you think would happen whenever someone in Nevada gets cancer? We’d have a system where one state has to provide medical treatment for the whole country.

You would have to be a resident of that state to receive it's healthcare. California public schools, police, and fire departments do not serve other states. Do non-California residents get to attend California colleges for the same fee as residents?

26   nope   2009 Sep 14, 10:37am  

HeadSet says

The solution is to eliminate all corporate lobbying

That is entirely a political issue. Until voters are willing to throw out thier reps that are beholden to lobbyists, nothing will happen. Unfortunately, such a concern will not happen until voters see politicians as individuals, not as some collective like “The Republican Party.” Too many want to excuse improprieties from a memeber of the “correct” party, using compensating examples of improprieties from the “wrong” party.

Support citizen-funded elections! http://change-congress.org/

27   Tomrisk   2009 Sep 14, 10:59am  

Our president B.S. again:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aDlCSVPjzqbQ
"Government Involvement
Americans can be confident that “the storms of the past two years are beginning to break,” Obama said.
“While there continues to be a need for government involvement to stabilize the financial system, that necessity is waning,” he said, adding that “normalcy cannot lead to complacency.”
At least still have someone willing to tell truth from deep of their heart:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aSbIT8GZjdKI
“In the U.S. and many other countries, the too-big-to-fail banks have become even bigger,” Stiglitz said in an interview yesterday in Paris. “The problems are worse than they were in 2007 before the crisis.”

28   zzyzzx   2009 Sep 15, 12:03am  

The way you’ve made it acceptable to hurl any insult you like at public officials.

So you are sick of conservatives doing what liberals have been doing for decades?

So all of a sudden, it's NOW a bad thing?

IMO, turn about ia fair play.

29   justme   2009 Sep 15, 4:09am  

The main post (LuCifer) was pretty much right on target.

30   justme   2009 Sep 15, 4:17am  

Patrick, maybe you can tell us who got deleted.

Did hanksung23 (or was it hanskung23) get deleted?I'm reading between the lines that he did. I don't know what he wrote, but he had good input on the healthcare thread.

I guess I'm a bit concerned about the whole deletion business. Who's next? Surfer-X wouldn't last a day, and that would be unfortunate. Also, deleting users and all their posts leave big holes in the archives, and one cannot figure out how the discussion went.

I still think one of the main problems we have is the free thread creation. I still believe it worked better when there was a main thread, which could then diverge into various topics of the day as needed. But you know my opinion on that already.

31   Patrick   2009 Sep 15, 5:55am  

justme says

Patrick, maybe you can tell us who got deleted.

Did hanksung23 (or was it hanskung23) get deleted?

Yup, hanskung23 is gone. And the guy with the Obama evil-clown logo, and OTS. And I think 3 others. Not too many, and they all were definitely impolite.

32   frodo   2009 Sep 15, 6:17am  

Bye Bye Impolite, you will be missed. . . . by some.

33   Patrick   2009 Sep 15, 7:07am  

When we are not polite, we waste our time fighting each other about silly divisive issues rather than fixing the problems by removing the corporate lobbyists and CEOs from Washington DC.

If we really want to fix the Goldman Sachs rip-off of America (and I do believe they have ripped off us taxpayers) then we need to understand the impediments to change. We have enough collective intelligence to do it.

This is still a democracy, and we can make the government answer to the people rather than the corporations.

Let's start by revoking the laws that make corporations into legal people. How can we get that done? Campaign finance reform would probably help.

34   frodo   2009 Sep 15, 9:08am  

Patrick said: "Let’s start by revoking the laws that make corporations into legal people."

OK, let's start there, Ill start a new Topic where we can hash this out.

35   justme   2009 Sep 15, 10:33am  

>>Campaign finance reform would probably help.

Sure, campaign reform is great, but the real solution is to have a proper *election* system that provides for real competition between, and accountability of, the political parties.

Competition is the only way to make the parties accountable to the voters. As long as there is a party duo-poly, there is no way we will get anything better than "the lesser of two evils".

If parties need not compete for voters, they will instead compete for money, which is how we got into the current state of political dysfunction in the US.

36   nope   2009 Sep 15, 3:43pm  

Impolite says

As far as I’M concerned, this country is DEAD. I’ll NEVER waste my time or breath again in any stupid opinion forum as long as I live. From now on all my efforts will be directed to EMIGRATING from this shithole known as the United States of America LAND OF THE FRAUD.

And where will you go? There really isn't anywhere in the world that's much better than the US, and in those few places where it is you'll be an immigrant anyway, suffering from work limitations and property ownership restrictions.

Why are you so angry? Have you been personally wronged? Is your situation today substantially different from what it was 1, 5, or 10 years ago? If so, I'm sorry, but if not, why are you so mad? I'm not terribly thrilled with a lot of what goes on in the world, but, well, my life is pretty good, and in this world that's all we can ask for.

37   jcmusic   2009 Sep 16, 11:59am  

The original post is an academic lesson in hipocrasy. Anyone who fails to recognize and admit that most politicians & idealogues are cut from the same cloth are being dishonest.

Corporations are bound by law to make the most money they can for their shareholders. If they started just being nice, their shareholders could sue them.

The law must be bigger than the corporations, and must stop them from making money by grinding up children to sell as dog food, for example. Corporations will scream and cry the the government is interfering in the free market, and they’d be right. A totally unregulated free market would kill us all.

But honestly, I hope it's not impolite to suggest this might be the dumbest thing I've read all week. Really?? How can we take this seriously? Without thoughtful and honest analysis, there is no point other than mindless entertainment.

38   Patrick   2009 Sep 16, 12:35pm  

Hmmm, "dumbest thing I've read" sounds impolite.

Especially because you didn't explain why you think it's dumb.

You think corporations won't do whatever they can to make money?

39   Austinhousingbubble   2009 Sep 16, 1:27pm  

As far as I’M concerned, this country is DEAD. I’ll NEVER waste my time or breath again in any stupid opinion forum as long as I live. From now on all my efforts will be directed to EMIGRATING from this shithole known as the United States of America LAND OF THE FRAUD.

And where will you go? There really isn’t anywhere in the world that’s much better than the US, and in those few places where it is you’ll be an immigrant anyway, suffering from work limitations and property ownership restrictions.

Hal Turner, anyone?

I can't help but suspect that some of the angrier, seditious rantings on here might be posted to snare the type of would-be nut jobs these posters pose as.

I could be wrong, in which case, I apologize in advance to any genuine nut jobs.

40   sevans   2009 Sep 16, 1:35pm  

" And where will you go? There really isn’t anywhere in the world that’s much better than the US, and in those few places where it is you’ll be an immigrant anyway, suffering from work limitations and property ownership restrictions."

Why would you make such a claim? I could name at least 3 other countries that leave the USA in the dust. I don't speculate. I speak frm experience. Just because you were born in the USA does not by definition make it the best in the world.

41   homeowner_for ever_san jose   2009 Sep 16, 5:13pm  

hi sevan : Can you name them ...is switzerland one of them ?
I agree with you that there is a tendency in US to name everything best in US as best in World...most international travelers find that annoying as they have real life experiences all over the world.
I consider US very strong in individual Freedom and money making..apart from that everything else is not that great compared to some of the other countries ( social fabric , pace of life, health , obesity, life style, culture..etc)

42   nope   2009 Sep 16, 6:00pm  

sevans says

Why would you make such a claim? I could name at least 3 other countries that leave the USA in the dust. I don’t speculate. I speak frm experience. Just because you were born in the USA does not by definition make it the best in the world.

Read that again, friend. There are plenty of places that are as good or better than the US (though none that are really meaningfully "better" -- mostly just different). The problem is that if you relocated to any of those countries you would have a hard time finding work and possibly be unable to own property.

Of course, I also highly doubt that the people ranting about government spending would be all that happy in other countries that are actually nice places to live :)

homeowner_for ever_san jose says

hi sevan : Can you name them …is switzerland one of them ?

Absolutely not -- that is, not to say that it's worse than the US, but as a non-citizen, your rights in switzerland are severely restricted. Unless you already have an employer willing to hire you there, you'll have a hell of a time getting work permits, and owning property is out of the question.

The story is the same in just about every other country that you would want to live in.

If those countries relaxed their work eligibility / ownership rights, I'd consider leaving the US.

43   Big_Brain   2009 Sep 16, 7:53pm  

I like to say. Yes, perhaps E=mc2, but Science=FFF (Full of Fallacious Facts).

Things are what they are. Our understanding of those things is according to our capacity to interpret and then understand them. Unfortunately that capacity is ever changing and evolving as our basis of understanding is proven and thus disproven.

We scientists know the more we learn about this universe, the more clueless we thus become on the primeval origins and complex workings within it. The ol' "The more I learn, the more I know that which I do not know."

We are severely limited by our 5 senses. No one has ever seen an atom. The atom itself and all of it's related structural properties have not been actually observed by science. The atom is a theoretical deduction. Nothing more, nothing less. Much of science is conducted in this manner. Science is enormously comprised, to this modern day, by THEORIES, still quite unproven, and often everchanging. With many a theory heavily relying on another. With any one of the underlying theories disproven, serious doubt is cast upon subsequently reliant propositions. For example, see: red shift theories in relation to the expanding universe theory. (IE big bang theorists) and the linear velocity-distance relations.

Science is more divided and muddled these days than at any time in recent history. I laugh at those people that pretend to know that "science is in full agreement" in this or that.. Science hardly, completely agrees on anything. It's comprised of numerous ideas and opinions.

Einstein actually theorized that our universe was temporally homogeneous, static, surely not expanding.

44   Big_Brain   2009 Sep 16, 8:30pm  

To all you posters who wake each morning with the errant belief that there are better places to live than the United States:

You are clearly 28 years old and perhaps still living in "your mama basement". Have you ever left the state?

I've lived in and traveled to almost every country in the world. I have yet to find or credibly hear of ANY place that is even remotely as good a place to be, than the United States.

The United States is still the best. You're still here!

45   elliemae   2009 Sep 16, 11:13pm  

Agreed. We have a beautiful country, where people can say pretty much whatever they want. They can act like asses without being arrested, receive minimal healthcare in the ER, live however they want... And they can be racists with the same protections as the rest of us... People in our prisons have a better lifestyle than do many citizens of third world countries.

But there are other countries that have qualities we could emulate, such as a viable healthcare system. Or we could create a better system on our own (not the corporate-pocket-lining crap, either). Just because we're great, doesn't mean that we couldn't be greater.

Impolite says:
"And I’m truly SURPRISED that Patrick.et now requires CIVILITY, POLITENESS and general NICENESS from those (millions?) of us who are FED-UP, FURIOUS and BOILING HOT over the way we’re being RAILROADED, RIPPED-OFF and RAPED by Goldman Sachs/WashingtonDC. It’s kinda like asking someone who’s about to be executed by firing squad to SMILE for the picture."
"As far as I’M concerned, this country is DEAD. I’ll NEVER waste my time or breath again in any stupid opinion forum as long as I live. From now on all my efforts will be directed to EMIGRATING from this shithole known as the United States of America LAND OF THE FRAUD."
----------------------------------------
Someone needs to refill the Prozac. If you can afford it, that is.

46   HeadSet   2009 Sep 17, 2:42am  

The USA is a very large country. Each area has a distinctly different flavor.

Like the urban life in a city that does not sleep, but do not mind a small living quarters on a busy sreet and no parking? Try New York City.

Like to retire to an inexpensive waterfront lot and fish all day? Try ocean or lakefront living in rural Virginia.

Like a 3,000 sqft home with a 3 car garage on a 1/2 acre lot, affordable on a middle class income? Try a Texas or Carolina suburb.

Want to live where everyone has a gun, counties don't even have mandantory electrical inspections, highways have no speed limits, and very few property restrictions, try Montana.

So you see, if you are fed up with for example, with being the equivilant of a fluff girl or Gaston de Pee in a law office somewhere, you can pull up stakes and change lifestyles rather easily.

47   jcmusic   2009 Sep 17, 3:32am  

This is

Hmmm, “dumbest thing I’ve read” sounds impolite.
Especially because you didn’t explain why you think it’s dumb.
You think corporations won’t do whatever they can to make money?

I didn't think it was necessary for competent individuals to recognize what is self evident. But it's all too easy if I must.

Corporations are bound by law to make the most money they can for their shareholders. If they started just being nice, their shareholders could sue them.

Haven't you ever heard of corporations giving to community projects or supporting (funding) philanthropical institutions? There are literally thousands of examples. Are they typically sued for these activities? I will expect that you will say that they do this for PR purposes - to maximize profits. But isn't this the same as individual action where we ultimately do everything for selfish reasons? At somepoint you have to call goodwill goodwill, even if it is self-serving at the same time. Otherwise we fall into a neverending cynicysm where all matter of kindness, politeness, is a lie.

Essentially a corporation is a collection of individuals and will act only as ethically/morally as the individuals who influence it. In other words, if a corporation does something amoral, it's because SOMEONE did something amoral. ... which brings me to the second point.

The law must be bigger than the corporations, and must stop them from making money by grinding up children to sell as dog food, for example. Corporations will scream and cry the the government is interfering in the free market, and they’d be right. A totally unregulated free market would kill us all.

Please cite where a corporation has screamed and cried how it's unfair that they haven't been allowed to grind children into dogfood and I will concede. This statement implicitly assumes that you, as a shareholder, worker, or corporate executive, along with everyone else in the corporation and all the dog-food consumers, have no problem with grinding up children for dogfood. Further, it is only the Government, source of all moral goodness, that would prevent it. That is why that statement lacks any type of intelligence, to be more POLITE.

48   Vicente   2009 Sep 17, 6:54am  

I believe the Republican Party is teetering on the brink of fracture right now. They have failed to recognize the large population segments they have alienated & disaffected, and simply cranked up the volume from the fringes and become more shrill.

However I don't think they are the DANGER in past or present that is so often ascribed. This is precisely the nature of party politics. When any party becomes sufficiently polarized & out of touch, it finds it is losing seats in office. Which is precisely what happened lately.

No need to worry about this further.

As to those for whom Corporations are equal citizens, I ask you to compare the MORALITY & LAW standards currently imposed on Corporations versus individuals as regards bankruptcy. As individuals we are told MORALLY we must pay all our bills no matter what. As individuals post 2005 LEGALLY there avenues for bankruptcy were reduced. On the other hand when a corporation wants to declare bankruptcy to "reorganize" hey no problem here's the express lane how can we help you..... A double-standard is plainly evident and it's amazing people deny that corporations have ascended to a plane where their rights EXCEED those of citizens. It baffles me this is not under public debate. I'm baffled that corporate "personhood" fiction has morphed into a near-religion.

49   HeadSet   2009 Sep 17, 7:21am  

Vicente says

On the other hand when a corporation wants to declare bankruptcy to “reorganize” hey no problem here’s the express lane how can we help you…..

That is because when a corporation goes out of business lots of people lose jobs. The polticians would rather a company restructure than throw its workers into the unemployment line.

For individuals, most bankruptcies (other than medical) are parachutes from an overspending lifestyle.

However, I would like to see any corporation that files for bankruptcy be required to implement serious executive pay caps. Unlikely though, since even the bailed out banks are now allowed to pay million dollar bonuses.

50   pkowen   2009 Sep 17, 7:25am  

Vicente says

I believe the Republican Party is teetering on the brink of fracture right now. They have failed to recognize the large population segments they have alienated & disaffected, and simply cranked up the volume from the fringes and become more shrill.

That is a wonderful slogan, "Republicans: The party of shrill fringes."

51   WillyWanker   2009 Sep 17, 11:34am  

What exactly does this have to do with 'Housing Crash Forum'? Would you care to explain?

52   The Little Guy Lobby   2009 Sep 17, 1:46pm  

The fact of life is that WE-YOU-I are the ones responsible for this life we have. If you want to play the victim-blame game, go right ahead. And then, as DR. Phil would say, “How’s that working out for you-lol.

The sooner we take R E S P O N S I B I l I T Y, the sooner things will change. And yes, WE do create our own reality.

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