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By resistance following x   2007 Sep 11, 1:35am 267,596 views   1,205 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


Originally from http://www.faithfreedom.org/

A Call to the Muslims of the World from a Group of Freethinkers and Humanists of Muslim Origins

Dear friends,

The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbours and fellow citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim origins we just cannot erase the stigma of Islamic Terrorism from our identity!

What most Muslims will say:

Islam would never support the killing of innocent people. Allah of the Holy Qur'an never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few misguided individuals at the fringes of society. The real Islam is sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence. Islam means peace. Islam means tolerance.

What knowledgeable Muslims should say:

That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really preach peace, tolerance and non-violence? The Muslims who perpetrate these crimes think differently. They believe that what they do is Jihad (holy war). They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every Muslim. They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but because they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts. Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea? How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or is it that we are misguided? Does really Islam preach violence? Does it call upon its believers to kill non-believers? We denounce those who commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really extremists or are they following what the holy book, the Qur'an tells them to do? What does the Qur'an teach? Have we read the Qur'an? Do we know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and take a closer look at what Allah says.

What the Qur'an Teaches Us:

We have used the most widely available English text of the Qur'an and readers are welcome to verify our quotes from the holy book. Please have an open mind and read through these verses again and again. The following quotes are taken from the most trusted Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells us: not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (5:51), kill the disbelievers wherever we find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (9:5). The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them (8:65). Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued (9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to fight the unbelievers and He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them (9:14).

The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (14:17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (5:34). And tells us that for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (22:19-22) and that they not only will have disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire) (22:9). The Qur'an says that those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy (25:68). For those who believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire! (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be harsh with unbelievers, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a stern command: Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin. (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that it is good for us even if we dislike it (2:216). Then he advises us to strike off the heads of the disbelievers; and after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (47:4). Our God has promised to instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers and has ordered us to smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself (8:17). He orders us to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed (9:73).

He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises boys like hidden pearls (56:24) and youth never altering in age like scattered pearls (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni (56:67-71).In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to take a green branch and beat your wife, because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.

Dear fellow Muslims:Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene - but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression, starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called 'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over this simple issue? When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he called for tolerance. He said To you be your religion, and to me my religion (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103) and said that there is no compulsion in religion (2:256). But that all changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance in this well-known verse Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah. (The Earth belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the earth.).Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the Prophet's time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them there was a 120 year old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa'd Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children 'Asma' Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume's translation The Life of Muhammad) page 675, 676).The Prophet did develop a 'Robin Hood' image that justified raiding merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn't claim to be a prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing free people to slaves and then trading them. With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the 21st century? Isn't this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain political power in today's high-tension world. They want to use the confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and control new circles of power.

Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn't this compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn't it because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400 years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong? Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed, wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the great disaster from happening?Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada (testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God. And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur'an preaches - and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur'an that preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They do literally what the Qur'an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of peace. In its so-called pure form it can very well be interpreted as a doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur'an. Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur'an the unchangeable book of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam). Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars have had to say in this respect.Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur'an into English wrote: Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon the fighting against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first the fighting was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.] Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an who wrote: The command to fight the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient. [ Sobhy as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut, 1983, p. 269.]Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named Zarkashi who said: Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death. These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the strength or the weakness of the Muslims. [ibid p. 270]Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi' Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.) agree that the verse Slay the idolaters wherever you find them (9:5) cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the Qur'an and were revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that Islam is the religion of peace? We propose a solution.

We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it. After becoming familiar with the Qur'an the choice became clear: It is either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression. We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity, and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur'an as holy war (Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become part of the family of humankind - in love, camaraderie and peace.

Arabic translation الترجمة العربية

See http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis and http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for more.

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1166   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 1, 2:22am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Pakistani woman who spent eight years in solitary confinement faces death threats from fundamentalists
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The lives of the three judges, who apparently made the decision to overturn her conviction three weeks ago but held back from announcing it for fear of the consequences, are also at risk from fundamentalists intent on revenge.

Within hours of the supreme court judgment, Afzal Qadri of Tehreek-e-Labbaik (TLP), a political party dedicated to punishing blasphemy, said the judges faced death.

There is precedent. In January 2011, Salmaan Taseer, the governor of Punjab who had lobbied for a presidential pardon for Bibi and urged reform of the blasphemy laws, was shot in the back by one of his bodyguards, Mumtaz Qadri.
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A few weeks later, more than 70 Christians were killed in a suicide bombing at a church in Lahore on Easter Sunday.

A month after Taseer was killed, Pakistan’s religious minorities minister, Shahbaz Bhatti, a Christian who spoke out against the blasphemy law, was shot dead in Islamabad.

On Wednesday, TLP supporters took to the streets to protest against the supreme court decision in cities including Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad, with major roads blocked.
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According to Open Doors, which monitors Christian persecution around the world, Pakistan’s blasphemy laws “target Christians in particular”.

It says: “The abuses of Pakistan’s blasphemy laws are some of the starkest examples of persecution in Pakistan. They have been devastating for minorities, including Christians, who must always act with caution in case an allegation of blasphemy is raised to settle a personal score. This year, a blasphemy case was brought against a boy for simply responding to a cartoon about Islam on social media.
1167   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 1, 5:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
[T]he mere rumor of blasphemy can spark lynchings. Religious minorities, who have been repeatedly targeted by extremists, fear the law because it is often used to settle scores and to pressure minorities.


This is Islam folks. Awesome, isn't it?
1168   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2018 Nov 1, 6:09am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Winning elections are more important open the borders and let them all in...
1169   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 1, 9:17am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Islamic organizations are attempting to prevent this woman and her family from leaving the country, so that mobs can slaughter this family. They are determined to carry out Islamic law that requires death for blasphemy, even though there is no evidence she said anything negative about Mohammad the child rapist.
This woman and her family must be given asylum by a democracy.
1170   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Nov 1, 11:15am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
A few weeks later, more than 70 Christians were killed in a suicide bombing at a church in Lahore on Easter Sunday.

According to some, this must be Fake News because Religion of Peace would never do that. Must be Trump and White Fucking Males.
1171   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 1, 5:23pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The sun rises in Pakistan, the land where terrorists walk free. It's day 2 of the Christian woman being acquitted of blasphemy charges.
The violent followers of the world's most violent religion have organized a nationwide strike. The religious leaders claimed their meeting with the government and security officials have failed. Allah wants the blood of that blasphemous infidel woman, and Allah must get what he wants.
Lets hope the peaceful Muslims get what they want.....death, war and destruction.
Allah Ho Akbar!
1174   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 2, 12:58pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bad news folks. The Pakistani government has given in to Islamofucks. Asia Bibi will not be allowed to leave Pakistan, and there will be some kinda review regarding the Supreme Court's decision to free her.
My congratulations to the Islamofucks.

Islamofucks - 1
Humanity - 0
1175   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 2, 1:10pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"Egypt’s Coptic Orthodox Church says gunmen have opened fire on a bus carrying Christian pilgrims traveling to a remote desert monastery, killing at least seven.

Church spokesman Bouls Halim said the death toll in Friday’s attack south of the capital Cairo was likely to rise.

Security officials said at least another 12 people were wounded in the attack, which bore the hallmarks of Islamic militants. Those officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief the media.

Friday’s attack is the second to target pilgrims heading to the Saint Samuel the Confessor monastery in Minya province in as many years. An attack in May 2017 left at least 28 people dead.

Egypt’s Christians account for some 10 percent of the country’s 100 million people.
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This event illustrates why most countries that have allowed themselves to become more than 20% Muslim are already more than 90% Muslim. Muslims kill or subjugate the non-Muslims, as per Islam. Non-Muslims must either flee, submit to Sharia including dhimmi subjugation, or die. This is what inviting Islamic immigration, aka Hijrah, means.

This event illustrates also why the crusades started. Apologists for Islam like to say that both sides did bad things during the crusades. That overlooks why the crusades began: Muslims were killing, robbing, and kidnapping and enslaving Christian pilgrims. Eventually, Christians got fed up with the Islamic abuse, and decided to organize and fight back. You can say that two wrongs don't make a right, but that misses the point with Islam. Islam has been at war against humanity almost continuously for more than 1,000 years. Muslims have slaughtered Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, anyone and everyone to impose Islam wherever they can. It doesn't stop until met with superior force, and even then it waits for an opportunity to strike again. The Barbary Wars subdued Islam for a time, until Nixon's disastrous deals with KSA revived it. The only way to deal with Islam is to end it permanently: refute and denounce it everywhere all the time, and prepare for war when (not if) Pakistanis insist on trying to kill blasphemers. It will require resolve and the credible threat of force, and sometimes actual force.
1176   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Nov 2, 1:13pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
That overlooks why the crusades began: Muslims were killing, robbing, and kidnapping and enslaving Christian pilgrims.


And why giving JEW-rusalem to the Palestinians is a bad idea. They will shake down every Christian for maximum profit. Jews will be banned.
1178   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 3, 3:33pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

1179   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 4, 12:36am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
The only reason to send a penny to Pakistan is to buy their entire nuclear arsenal and ensure they don't build any more nuclear weapons. We should also consider cutting off trade. Pakistan is a terrorist state, and poses a much worse threat than North Korea. Nothing but KSA's Petrodollar hypnosis campaign can explain the USA's history of supporting Pakistan as a supposed "ally," which it was never and cannot be as long as it remains Islamic.


Pakistan is proof that Islamic terrorists have nuclear weapons. If those nukes and the ability to make nukes is not taken away from them, we will one day see a mushroom cloud in Manhattan.
1180   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Nov 5, 9:29pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

A refugee living in the United States from Iraq has been arrested and charged with making two bombs in Las Vegas, Nevada and allegedly teaching undercover FBI investigators how to make and detonate the explosive devices.

Ahmad Suhad Ahmad, a 30-year-old Iraqi refugee living in Tuscon, Arizona was busted by the FBI after the agency spent nearly two years operating an undercover sting where they say Ahmad built bombs and taught undercover agents how to do the same.

According to the FBI, the Iraqi refugee built two bombs in a Las Vegas condo. Both of those bombs, investigators say, were meant for a terrorist attack in Mexico that Ahmad was planning.

Between March and April 2017, Ahmad allegedly taught an undercover FBI agent how to make and detonate a bomb, devices that Ahmad said “were easy to make,” according to court filings. The Iraqi refugee allegedly taught undercover agents how the detonate a bomb using a cell phone, which court records say Ahmad said he learned while in Iraq during the Iraq war.

According to the Daily Mail, Ahmad arrived in the U.S. as a refugee more than a decade ago.

As Breitbart News has reported, between 2012 and 2016, 72,794 foreign nationals have come to the U.S. on the Visa Lottery program from countries that the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency has designated as terrorist-sponsors.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/11/04/refugee-from-iraq-accused-of-making-two-bombs-in-las-vegas-for-attack/
1181   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 5, 10:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Ahmad Suhad Ahmad, a 30-year-old Iraqi refugee living in Tuscon, Arizona was busted by the FBI after the agency spent nearly two years operating an undercover sting where they say Ahmad built bombs and taught undercover agents how to do the same.


CBS has the story too. ABC and CNN have part of the story, but omit the fact Ahmad arrived as a "refugee" (jihadi) from Iraq.
1182   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 6, 9:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
A refugee living in the United States from Iraq has been arrested and charged with making two bombs in Las Vegas, Nevada and allegedly teaching undercover FBI investigators how to make and detonate the explosive devices.


We need skilled workers. Stop making a fuss.
1183   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Nov 7, 3:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Two Muslimas now in Congress. One in Michigan, One In Minnesota. Gloating about the "inevitability" of their conquest.

If you think @realDonaldTrump's mad now, just wait until Fox and Friends starts talking about me and @IlhanMN. You can't ban us from Congress!

— Rashida Tlaib (@RashidaTlaib) November 7, 2018




curious2 says
CBS has the story too. ABC and CNN have part of the story, but omit the fact Ahmad arrived as a "refugee" (jihadi) from Iraq.


Naturally. "Oh, we forgot that". mmm hmm.
1184   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 7, 4:45pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Two Muslimas now in Congress. One in Michigan, One In Minnesota. Gloating about the "inevitability" of their conquest.


It's the beginning of the end.
1185   WookieMan   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 7, 8:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Two Muslimas now in Congress. One in Michigan, One In Minnesota. Gloating about the "inevitability" of their conquest.


It's the beginning of the end.


Maybe the Michigan one will get lured into the devils plant, pot. Closest place to me to legalize recreationally. Have a good buddy that lives in Southwest MI. I'm going to be taking multiple trips per year now to visit him. Lol. Good times are a coming.
1186   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Nov 12, 7:06pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Boston Imam: America will meet it's demise.

ALERT AMERICA: This is a Threat - Media Silent!

Boston Imam Abdullah Faaruuq:

"What's wrong with you, you sick Americans?"

“This is the land of the coward & home of the slave'; Islam is America’s future,” without Islam “America will meet its demise.” pic.twitter.com/AIRyCBsohp— Amy Mek (@AmyMek) November 12, 2018

1187   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 12, 11:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"An ancient community in Pakistan fades as conversions to Islam rise
***
For centuries, a small community of fair-skinned, blue-eyed people known as the Kalasha have inhabited a remote valley in northwest Pakistan, farming and raising animals.
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The Kalasha people, who speak a unique dialect, have no written religion or places of worship. Instead, they hold ritual celebrations of seasonal change every spring and fall, with colorful costumes and dancing that have long attracted visitors to their alpine home.

In recent years, however, a new outside influence — Sunni Islam — has started seeping into the valley, changing its way of life and dramatically reducing the number of non-Muslims.
***
“After hundreds of years, we have been turned into a minority on our own land,” said Shah Feroz, 27, a volunteer teacher in this hillside town of wooden chalets and steep lanes, located in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.
***
Kalasha activists said they were historically disdained by Muslims as “infidels,” along with a separate group of Kalashas in Afghanistan’s Nurestan province across the border.
***
Feroz noted that all students in mixed schools are taught Islamic studies. On a recent morning, in the sixth-grade girls’ class at one local school, all Kalasha and Muslim students were reciting Koranic sayings. Feroz said community leaders want a substitute subject, such as ethics, to be taught.
***
The Kalasha grow grapes and offer free wine to visitors at festivals, where men and women dance together.
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One Kalasha farmer complained of hate speech broadcast through local mosque loudspeakers.
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“We don’t force our children over marriage,” Gul said. “When a Kalasha girl wants to marry a Muslim, she accepts Islam and shifts to a Muslim family.”
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Jamroz Khan, a Muslim cleric in the valley whose grandfather converted to Islam 70 years ago, considers Kalasha customs to be wicked, but he said no one in the valley has been converted by force.
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Khan noted with pride that several decades ago, “there was not a single Muslim family here, but now half of the village has accepted Islam,” he said. “All praise to Allah, we are preaching to convert all.”
***
To Lali Gul, a Kalasha woman who sells traditional costumes and caps, the spread of Islam across the valley will be hard to stop... “We are free and open-minded people. We don’t interfere in our children’s decisions to be a Kalasha or Muslim,” Gul said. “But our community is shrinking. I fear that very soon, there will be no Kalasha left in this valley.”
"

And there you have it. The Muslims condemn the secular beliefs and practices of the Kalasha and tell Kalasha children to convert or burn in hell. The Kalasha are not even allowed to criticize Islam, because blasphemy is a capital offense. The Muslims force their own children to be Muslim, and are determined to spread Islam. The Kalasha do not force their own children, and do not try to convert the Muslims (who would be killed for apostasy). The more aggressive doctrine, Islam, gains ground, while the free and open-minded Kalasha lose their culture. Eventually, nothing but Islam remains.
1189   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Nov 13, 6:35pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Aussie witness to Islamic Terror gets pissed at Reporter for refusing to say the obvious.

He says it for her (Video)

Melbourne reporter won’t call it Islamic terrorism, so a patriot does it for her on live tv.... pic.twitter.com/CdruqHIK5W

— Mindy Robinson 🇺🇸 (@iheartmindy) November 13, 2018

1190   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 13, 7:07pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Aussie witness to Islamic Terror gets pissed at Reporter for refusing to say the obvious.

He says it for her (Video)

Melbourne reporter won’t call it Islamic terrorism, so a patriot does it for her on live tv.... pic.twitter.com/CdruqHIK5W

— Mindy Robinson 🇺🇸 (@iheartmindy) November 13, 2018



Good on him, as they say down under.

We all should speak the truth about Islam.
1191   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 13, 7:23pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Aussie witness to Islamic Terror gets pissed at Reporter for refusing to say the obvious.

He says it for her (Video)

Melbourne reporter won’t call it Islamic terrorism, so a patriot does it for her on live tv.... pic.twitter.com/CdruqHIK5W

— Mindy Robinson 🇺🇸 (@iheartmindy) November 13, 2018



Good on him, as they say down under.

We all should speak the truth about Islam.


And don't forget, brothels are legal in Australia and thus, they're even ahead of the USA!

We need to stop Islam now and then, all of us can fuck hoes Down Under with some added security.
1193   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 15, 6:53am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
"At least 20 killed in suicide bomb attack in Somalia's capital


This is not news. It's daily life in the world of Islam.
1194   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 15, 10:41am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
This is not news. It's daily life in the world of Islam.


Some people need to be reminded that it is part of the Islamic pattern, everywhere Muslims go. Africa, Australia, Eurasia, the Americas: different continents with different histories, different ethnicities with different languages, yet the same dysfunctional Islamic pattern afflicts them all.

Petrodollar hypnosis and corruption have misled some people to believe they can import Islam and it won't do what Islam does. That has never happened, anywhere. Importing Islam is the political equivalent of self-injecting cyanide. Yet, as Patrick observed, they cherish a beautiful fantasy. They want to believe in the "multicultural" doctrine, even when it blows up in their faces.
1195   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 15, 3:35pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says
Yet, as Patrick observed, they cherish a beautiful fantasy. They want to believe in the "multicultural" doctrine, even when it blows up in their faces.


The problem is that multiculturalists can't distinguish between Islam and Cambodian Buddhism.

They can't figure it out whereas for me, the Boston Bomber said it all. He grew up in Cambridge MA, home of some ~90 subnationalities, meaning many non-Anglo-Saxon ethnicities, contrary to the press trying to blame the region on the boy's sense of isolation from being Americanized. That's totally false, as not one Vietnamese Buddhist, Nepali Hindu, Cape Verdian Catholic nor Haitian Evangelical, attempted to plant a bomb in the Boston area.
1196   curious2   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 15, 4:07pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says
multiculturalists can't distinguish between Islam and Cambodian Buddhism.


Either that or they refuse to distinguish between them. Some of it results from the racism on the left: only white people can be racist, brown people are all good and harmless, and so on; these "multiculturalists" cannot imagine being outsmarted and killed by a group of brown people. Some of it results from OrangeManBad and religious paranoia: Hitler talked about religion, so anyone who talks about religion is "literally Hitler." Multiculturalists are often "book smart but not street smart," and have been so badly misled for so long that they don't see the BS until too late.
1197   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Nov 15, 4:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You're more generous than I am.

I think the Multicult/PoMos are allied to the Muslims because Western Civ is a project they haven't been able to halt, and see it's demise as a precondition to the Inevitable March of History.

That explains why they go apeshit over Christians, but ignore Linda Sarsour, Tamika Mallory, and Farrakhan's remarks.
1199   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 20, 2:24pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
they go apeshit over Christians


I think that this is simply a holdover from the Reagan-to-GWB era where Christianity meant white racism & evangelism in the likes of the KKK/David Duke, Falwell, etc. And yeah, these guys are shitheads and need to be lampooned.

I believe that the bigger thing is that today, unlike the 80s, there are many PoC in newer Christian denominations like Haitian evangelical, Brazilian pentecostal, Korean this, Chinese that, etc, so Christianity in its many splintered forms, is no longer a white man's religion in America.


TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
but ignore Linda Sarsour, Tamika Mallory, and Farrakhan's remarks


Simple, these ppl are not Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, or Taoists. In other words, they're Muslims and thus, are troupes for crazy Imams to spread their terrorism fervor. If Farrakhan wasn't so retarded, he'd know that ARABS spread Pan-African slavery, along before the Dutch and the British Empires. These latter empires were the last ppl to engage in post-medieval slavery whereas for the Arabs, there's no change between the past and modern times.

If "liberals" can't make these distinctions than they're as dumb as a box of nails.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/mar/05/apalershadeofblack

Excerpt: "The word 'abd - Arabic for "slave" - was often used in our household when I was a child. In fact, it was so common that I had no awareness of its negative connotations until well into my teenage years. My father's family, a proud northern Sudanese clan, used it to refer to anyone who had darker skin than themselves - from southern Sudanese house servants to migrants from Darfur. Sometimes there was a clear intent to demean, but at other times it was used almost affectionately - for example, when addressing a particularly dark-skinned or thick-lipped child."
1201   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 20, 5:51pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

A bomb planted by Muslims murdering a bunch of other Muslims is actually a fitting tribute for Mohammed's birthday.

Mohammed was a murderer, so why would his followers be anything else?

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad
1202   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 20, 6:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
A bomb planted by Muslims murdering a bunch of other Muslims is actually a fitting tribute for Mohammed's birthday.

Mohammed was a murderer, so why would his followers be anything else?


If you love Mohammad, and all Muslims do, do as Mohammad would do.....Rape Murder and Pillage.
Allah Ho Akbar
1203   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (0)   2018 Nov 20, 6:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It’s why people think left is stupid and naive.
Because left thinks that our enemies will just stop being bad and learn to love us if we appease them. Seriously dumb.

Strategist says
Patrick says
A bomb planted by Muslims murdering a bunch of other Muslims is actually a fitting tribute for Mohammed's birthday.

Mohammed was a murderer, so why would his followers be anything else?


If you love Mohammad, and all Muslims do, do as Mohammad would do.....Rape Murder and Pillage.
Allah Ho Akbar
1204   Rin   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 20, 6:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
If you love Mohammad, and all Muslims do, do as Mohammad would do.....Rape Murder and Pillage.
Allah Ho Akbar


And then there are these people, who criticize Rin for wanting to fuck hoes, in exchange for money (ala true capitalism), vs those who rape women like these Islam-a-BAD-hists!
1205   Strategist   ignore (3)   2018 Nov 20, 6:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says
And then there are these people, who criticize Rin for wanting to fuck hoes, in exchange for money (ala true capitalism), vs those who rape women like these Islam-a-BAD-hists!


Interesting. Your statement brings out another point, besides two consenting adults doing what they want to do.
If prostitution is legalized, would it bring down the rate of rapes? I think it would.

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