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bob2356 says

There are just as many right wingnuts posting as left wingnuts.

Go hangout at your local occupy movement protest, and you will get an earful of what is going on in the brain of a true to life left wing nut job. I have yet to see anyone post on Pnet with that extreme left wing point of view.

Patrick is really APOCALYPSE.... in disguise.

Truth.

Common Sense Citizen says

etain a mucher wider base if you kept the focus of your site on what it started out as.

I agree to that.

and
everyday , every prime time news channel talk about some politics. Politic news is now mainstream. News organizations
keep repeating the same news over and over again, (cheap that way), seems like everyday we hear something about "obama" or "election". I so tired of hearing politics, when all they do is debate their egos, and don't do anything to drastically change the status quo. of the economy.

your site is just a debate between individual egos...

Common Sense Citizen says

Or calling tea party people stupid. That's the garbage I'm talking about. The one thing B. Hussein could have done was reel in the finance industry and he didn't. Instead he ramrodded through "health care reform" that nobody wanted.

If you're going to make comments like that, you just might be stupid. Again, as everyone except the brainwashed ideologues know, ObamaCare is basically the Republican health plan from the 1990s. The Heritage Foundation wrote about it.

Second, it's not clear that "nobody" wanted it. In fact, last I checked, more than 50 senators and more than half of the voting representatives voted for it. And, it was written by the Blue Dogs, who are generally known as moderates, although moderates generally mean right of center on the left/right spectrum and more authoritarian than libertarian on that spectrum.

leoj707 says

Go hangout at your local occupy movement protest, and you will get an earful of what is going on in the brain of a true to life left wing nut job.

That's probably not even true. I passed by a local Occupy protest recently, and all they were saying was to prosecute the banksters for fraud and to put the executives in jail. For the kind of gross incompetence they engaged in, many banksters should be fired. For the fraud that some of them committed, those people should go to jail. I didn't hear anything other than this.

Yes, there are leftists around, but I haven't seen very many of them here. There is one prominent one on SocketSite.

corntrollio says

That's probably not even true. I passed by a local Occupy protest recently, and all they were saying was to prosecute the banksters for fraud and to put the executives in jail. For the kind of gross incompetence they engaged in, many banksters should be fired. For the fraud that some of them committed, those people should go to jail. I didn't hear anything other than this.

Hangout for an hour or two, read all the signs, and talk to a couple of people. You will get your share of idiotic ramblings that lack basic critical thinking skills, at least I did. Of course they are not all that way most are well spoken and know what they are talking about.

I would not say I feel "hate" for dirty hippies(or wookies), but I don't like them. I did like this article posted by Patrick:
http://www.businessinsider.com/occupy-wall-street-yes-i-hate-hippies-2011-10?source=patrick.net

Common Sense Citizen says

Just the other day you posted a link about how doctors make "too much money".

Have some memory of that link but I can't find it. Anyway, here's a good substitute:

http://www.worldsalaries.org/generalphysician.shtml

US physicians are the highest paid in the world. Whether or not it's "too much", it definitely contributes to the higher per-capita spending on health care in the US.

Common Sense Citizen says

Instead he ramrodded through "health care reform" that nobody wanted.

Not nobody, not by a long shot. I wanted it and many millions of people who suffer from our ridiculous medical billing and insurance system, but have to admit reform was not done very well so far. Has giveaways to the insurance and drug companies, and no real control of the underlying costs.

And like corntrollio said above "ObamaCare is basically the Republican health plan from the 1990s." That's a good measure of how extremely far right the right wing has gone. They don't even recognize their own former self.

agree both side have more in common then they realize, if they would just stop calling each other names and hating on each other, they would realize they are both getting fucked by the people in power.
Obama-Bush, Democrat-Republican, neither side are serving the people.

Teabaggers and the wallstreet hippies are angry about the same thing, they just don't know it yet.

i basically stopped having opinions on poliitcs, and am much happier. total.waste.of.time.

once you adopt the bernie madoff sociopath mentality this country is fooking awsome!

I'm slacking off at work right now while being paid - not much of a crime compared to bernie, but there it is. fukem.

joshuatrio says

Patrick is really APOCALYPSE.... in disguise.

Truth.

No, but I'm honored. Apocalypsefuck is a genius.

leoj707 says

Hangout for an hour or two, read all the signs, and talk to a couple of people. You will get your share of idiotic ramblings that lack basic critical thinking skills, at least I did. Of course they are not all that way most are well spoken and know what they are talking about.

I'm sure there are some whackjobs too, but that's true of Teabagger rallies too, and pretty much every other political rally. The Teabagger one I saw in San Jose for protesting healthcare reform, it seemed like everyone had pulled grandma out of the nursing home so she could hold a sign they created for her. Most of the grandma-types looked addle-minded, like they thought they were at a "Eisenhower for President" rally. The irony is that grandma wants the federal government involved in health insurance because she's probably on Medicare, so it's pretty stupid for her to be robotically holding up "get government out of my healthcare" signs. Child and grandchild fail.

Serpentor says

agree both side have more in common then they realize, if they would just stop calling each other names and hating on each other, they would realize they are both getting fucked by the people in power.
Obama-Bush, Democrat-Republican, neither side are serving the people.
Teabaggers and the wallstreet hippies are angry about the same thing, they just don't know it yet.

I agree.

How is it not obvious that the left-right/democrat-republican scenario in this country is just a ruse, a trick? The old "divide and conquer" strategy. Loyalty to one side or another keeps us from uniting and overthrowing those who are screwing over the masses, whether you believe them to be banksters or politicos. They are in bed with each other.

Further, if one is uncomfortable with the range of opionions on this site, going to a "comfortable site" for them is absolutely a great idea. We wouldn't want them to stretch outside their comfort zone, now would we?

Patrick.net is NOT doomed but USA seems to be doomed right now.

I pray for the liberals....LOL. I'm pretty much a live and let live person. Don't understand the Bay Area politics, but then they don't understand someone who spent 26 years in the military.

I guess that makes us even.

I have been viewing patrick.net for a little over a year now. And, I too have noticed more left-leaning links over the past 6 months or so. I come here for the actual real estate articles. But, much like I can do with a radio, I am perfectly capable of skipping all the absurd, loony leftist articles (I am smart enough to be able to tell from the ridiculous article titles), much like lefties should be able to turn the radio station if they don't like what's being said.

Since this whole invade Wall Street stuff has started, there have been even fewer articles on real estate than I would like. But, I don't mind. Like many have said, this is patrick.net, and if patrick.net can make money spewing forth that drivel (like the asinine "99% line"), more power to him. As long as there are still some real estate articles every once in awhile, it's fine with me. If they wholly disappear, I will just find info elsewhere. It's not a big deal. Nobody makes me come here, I am not required to read everything, and I don't even have to pay.

lol these newbie retards are coming out of the woodwork! seems like a ingenious plan to generate traffic to this site! well done!

Just a show of support... I hardly ever comment (most comments serve only vanity), but I read every day. I find Patrick's own posts the most valuable, actually. They're concise, clear, and empirical. Based on what I've seen it's ridiculous to label this site as left or right, mostly because those labels have become functionally irrelevant. To me, Patrick addresses more relevant issues.

I like this site for the same reason I liked Patrick's "Why it's a terrible time..." essay. The reasoning is straightforward and compelling.

Keep up the good work!

I saw this Video today. This is from a conservative paper, in a conservative part of the world. I think it shows how skewed America has become

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/u-politics-took-world-edge-armageddon-martin-wolf-131324094.html?sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=

Meanwhile, on the topic of commies -- here's a couple of notorious lefty bastards for you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkkSNMCVwKA

Let a long-time lurker add his kudos to Patrick for this site. I had a long post, but it turned into a rant, so I erased it. Suffice it to say that I have been reading this site nearly every day for some years, and I don't intend to stomp off angrily spewing spittle and muttering, "damn commies and dirty hippies."

On that point, the irrational hatred and fear of "dirty hippies," even forty years after the failure of the revolution, only demonstrate how repression needs sublimation. To those of you who feel such revulsion, I urge you to examine your inmost desires. Perhaps you wish you could be one, too.

Notice what I write about not politics whatever the fuck that word means. I'll give a brief explanation. Once again Greece was always of divide and conqueor. Divide the people they are at each other. Let them defeat themselves. Simple fucking math.

Very low IQ people address politics oh the crap you see on CNN responses - dicus etc. They repeat the same thing over and over much like the education of this place.

They divide (always have, since very old days by the way) Divide in half. Divide again by state then divide again in half. Divide by county then divide in half again. Divide by city and then divide in half again. Regular people don't like this kind of thing. Thats whats "trying" to be voiced here.

Take obama he went to war. People, what they do with division is no fucking accident. See no change. YOU DO, THEY DON'T.

House divided against itself, united, stuff like that is Greek bullshit mirroring. So take a look at yourself. I won't I'm not fooled.

SEE IF YOU CAN BEAT THE BIG RIP-OFF WHEN YOU KNOW IT IS GOING TO GO TO BULLSHIT DIVISION. see go cast your little votie with your limp dickie see what happens. What pat wrote about that black guy its what he feared they do things like that all the time.

When you finally understand that all the Plato-s do all of this division bullshit on purpose. Then you understand.

Ole plato in greece proper understands and he tearing the fucking place down. Go look and see. See greekie no eatie someones in BIG DAMN TROUBLE.

So this is where we are. So as you can see the division once again not of people but of men (yea the bible says they are but men)

So the deal here is. They can divide all they want. However if it comes apart for the everyday plato. The expert dividers better start running for cover. They know that.

I'll say one thing for OCCUPY THEY ARE ABSOULUTLY GOING AFTER THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN ALL OF THIS. Now thats a bunch of people that care about this place. No sarcasim in that at all.

Complicated its not. To the people that are divided by them. Well its really complicated and confusing. Then ask yourself who presents them? Well the interest sucking, started and owned by usuors. News, finanical news and general programming. True its a couple of levels up from the scumy dividers. The usuors are. Its kind of fun watching the scumy dividers dancing for copper coins. Playing there washboards. Also just general overall doin for master because well they owe and are owned also thru credit.

That's the really good part of all of this entertainment wise. The leaders so slick in division (by the way historically, division - the mathematics of was invented in Greece. Some see it as simple and handy. Really it is very insidious to it's core) and their own brand of swindel are in fact owned wholly by the usuors.

Housing is important because it has been established as the 'basis' of our economy for some years. The construction industries, the materials importers(rain forests, the laborers not getting paid, the landscaper ('entrepreneurs'), the real estate jobs for people who think getting dirty is beneath them, the advertising money (full page ads of house pictures), the roadbuilders, the municipalities being created out of bare land, the congressional redistricting, the police hired to patrol the school zones and home security companies to protect empty houses all day long.....etc.
Whether left, right or (ha) middle, most people see that housing is a picture of what America stands for (consumption).
This 'economy' is based on some pretty inane philosophy, and as such, it doesn't actually have any connection to reality (Malthusian physical needs). The result can only be an explosion of grand proportion, and everyone likes to watch stuff get blown up, regardless of how horrible the consequences (especially if it's 'someone else').
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g

I can see one tiny, teeny sliver of wisdom in Larry's post. I think that the rent/own issue is compelling without the strong political statements. I wonder if there would be a way of reaching a more politically conservative audience if the politics were more subtle. I have one right-wing, wing nut friend who is very well, irrational. I think she would miss the wisdom of the realestate posts because she would take one look at the political posts and leave.

She won't even watch CNN because she finds it to be too liberal. Ditto for the NY Times. It is like going into a cult to try to lead someone back to sanity. If you shock them right out of the gate, I worry that you can't reach them. You have to bring them back gently.

I wonder if the posts were more gentle, might it reach more people who need reaching. THat said, I find it hard to be as gentle as is palatable to people. That may be more of my issue than the site's issue. I pretty much agree with all of the politics that Patrick posts about lobbyists, wealth, taxes and home values.

The whole Doom thing had me worried. Glad to see the context for that comment.

larrypatrickmaloney says

If Patrick doesn't mend his ways, this site will not remain a haven for real estate watchers, and will pass away.

Cheers,

Larry

What are Larry's intentions, his impetus ?
I think he has a point. The name calling, the bitchfest is exhausting. But isn't that who we are ? Nobody wants to see a train wreck, but will we look away ?

With ongoing gubmint intervention, news of real property values will be boring for years to come.

Til then, Patrick's site will teach me allot !

You have done a good job with this site and you have made it possible to put out the truth to the best of your knowledge and that makes me put you in my good book.KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

Proof that the system is rigged - companies that spent the most on lobbying have returned 400X the S&P 500.

From the economist:
http://www.economist.com/node/21531014

The question is, do you just complain about it, try to change it, or buy companies in this index so you get your slice too?

I have to agree with Larry. I have been following this site since the start and used to always link to it as RE bible for the sheep who thought house prices only go up. Unfortunately as time goes on RE news is getting fewer while leftist propaganda increases.

I find myself frequenting here less and less. Traffic down since 2008? You are turning off a huge chunck of your potential readers.

My thanks to Patrick for the website, which is actually incredibly balanced and inclusive. Later, Larry. You sound like a rabid dog to me.

the email subscribers to the links went from nothing to about 9,000 per day.

I can't speak for everyone, but one day I all of a sudden started getting your emails every morning. Did you auto-subscribe everyone with a patrick.net account? Cause I didn't sign-up. That would account for your spike.

joshuatrio says

Patrick - you could be on your way to having the same type of fan base/similar site as drudgereport, or similar high traffic news sites where people come for certain types of news.

What makes your site way better is that you have the link submission section. Not to mention, you can't stand realtards.

LOL, really?

That is impossible.

Drudge gets the following stats:

VISITS TO DRUDGE 10/14/11

031,887,754 IN PAST 24 HOURS
899,882,340 IN PAST 31 DAYS
10,014,063,001 IN PAST YEAR

Good luck with that.

the fact is, political topics generate traffic, and heated discussions. I've seen even on other non-political forums I visit.

Larry, if you don't agree with how the website is run, feel free to GTFO like you threatened to do many times. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Patrick

you saved my ass. If it weren't for this site I'd be 200K underwater or in foreclosure.

post kittens playing the friggin piano for all I care.

gregpfielding says

It isn't conservatism or liberalism that is screwing everything up. It's corporatism.

Truth be told.

They get the bailouts, we get the bill for it.

After a 10% chance real estate will fall another 50%, and new steady housing and tax policies are put in place where the housing sector can stabilize and grow over the next 50 years, then there will be no need for patrick.net and it will dissolve.

FortWayne says

gregpfielding says

It isn't conservatism or liberalism that is screwing everything up. It's corporatism.

Fort Wayne; by george, I think you've got it. This is the 'capitalism' definition Wall Street and DC uses. For everyone else, if your investments or business fail, tough luck. For Wall Street, win or lose, they win. The cards are stacked against the 90%. Oh, and as far as breaking laws? What laws. The Democrats and Republicans give all the corporate law breakers a get out of jail free card, (not that they were ever IN jail) PLUS a free pass GO and collect 2 Billion from the middle class taxpayer card. Not a bad deal I'd say. I think some Americans are finally waking up to this reality which has been in place for 30 years now. Slow learners on the short bus.

Truth be told.

They get the bailouts, we get the bill for it.

Quality Auto Repair Since 1979

Nicely done Patrick. :)

Friday's posting has little, if any politically charged articles. Virtually all articles focus on real estate, which is what this site was created for.

Thank you for listening, and nice job. :)

Larry

corntrollio says

If you're going to make comments like that, you just might be stupid.

Typical response from an immature, socially inept moron. Please read Patrick's comments where is able to keep the discussion on the points and not resort to name calling (as I so inappropriately engaged you in above).

It's so funny. Those with that have liberal leaning (or however you would like to define it) tendencies are so quick to anger when ANYONE disagrees with anything they have to say, or has a point counter to their dogmatic agenda. .

Patrick, I understand your point about healthcare costs being too high, but you have to consider what it takes to become a board certified physician in this country, in this litigious day and age. Without that, those not in the field will perpetually think that physicians are driving up costs without considering that a pedicle screw from Synthes costs $1500, or that one zofran ODT costs $100 (ie exorbitant), or that insurance companies siphon money away from the entire system (doctors and patients alike). Doctors salaries have gone down precipitously over the last 20 years, to no fault but our own, but trust me, the last people whose salaries you want to go down are physicians. Without us healthcare doesn't work, and the best and brightest will cease to choose a profession in which 13 years of sacrifice are required. Not including the hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt almost all saddled with after.

Common Sense Citizen says

Typical response from an immature, socially inept moron. Please read Patrick's comments where is able to keep the discussion on the points and not resort to name calling (as I so inappropriately engaged you in above).

It's so funny. Those with that have liberal leaning (or however you would like to define it) tendencies are so quick to anger when ANYONE disagrees with anything they have to say, or has a point counter to their dogmatic agenda. .

Saying a particular comment might indicate you're stupid is actually not name-calling. As I've stated numerous times, I don't subscribe to any particular ideology, and I'd posit that pointing out that a comment is probably less than intelligent is not usually considered "anger."

But the point is that more than 50 Senators (including the Republican who let it get voted out of committee) and more than half of the House of Representatives agreed with me, whereas the most clever thing you can think of is saying "B. Hussein." No dogma here -- read my posts.

Common Sense Citizen says

Like I said I'm not left or right.

You're also a liar.

Common Sense Citizen says

what it takes to become a board certified physician in this country, in this litigious day and age.

By the way, your description of healthcare as being "litigious" is ridiculous nonsense perpetuated by ideologues and has already been debunked here by me and others. Which of course you'd know if you were actually a bona fide forum dweller here, rather than an interloper trying to sling mud and spew talking points.

Read my posts on this thread: http://patrick.net/?p=1058722

Why does the Right feel so besieged? As far as I can tell, they've won every major policy victory in my lifetime.

They've held the White House more often than the Democrats, and when we do get a Democrat he was a DLC triangulator, a fancy word for Republican--victory for them again. (Coincidentally, the only Democrat re-elected since FDR). Democrats can win the Presidency, and the houses of Congress, but "centrist" DINOs prevent real change. They can lose the House and be stifled by the ruthless tea-illiterati--one caucus in one branch--victory again.

Not content to stop moderate policy (preciously their own legislative goals, like HCR), they attempt to kill the already-decimated unions and go after a woman's right to medical treatment. They discourage the youth vote and suppress minority turnout. They installed regulators and Fed Chairmen who believe that markets self-regulate, and that the best Government is one that destroys itself.

So, you've won--congratulations. But with your policies come some negative consequences--like the rotten economy we're in. And despite their dominance, they'd have you believe it's the Democrat's fault. It's Barney Frank's fault. Weird worldview, that's for sure.

In this climate, the truth would indeed seem liberal since the dominant conservative answers have been and continue to be so, so wrong.

I say, keep telling the truth Patrick! Reality has a liberal bias!

Larry, you are pathetic.

You probably think Occupy Wall St. is wrong.

CL-
The right feels besieged because they are constant whiners.
Absolutely NO integrity.
Take Larry for instance, trying to mute the person that created this site.