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Conventional Logic vs. Religious Logic


               
2011 Dec 9, 9:12am   92,595 views  235 comments

by uomo_senza_nome   follow (0)  

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People who argue that their beliefs are true have the burden of proof. This is a very important concept in making arguments, known as Russell's teapot.

Russell's teapot states that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making scientifically unfalsifiable claims rather than shifting the burden of proof to others.

People who argue that Evolution is not science, but dogma -- then should also accept that we should teach Flying Spaghetti Monsterism in schools.

From the founder of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster )

I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism (Pastafarianism), and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.

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1   uomo_senza_nome   @   2011 Dec 9, 12:50pm  

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Tony Manero says

Or we can present the Jesufucks with a baseball bat with a full swing to the tiny little forehead.

hehe, Apoc - you're awesome.

2   Bap33   @   2011 Dec 11, 11:30am  

if the words "deviant sodomites" were used to replace "Jesufucks" in the post above, how many more posts of outrage would follow?

3   Dan8267   @   2011 Dec 11, 12:37pm  

Bap33 says

if the words "deviant sodomites" were used to replace "Jesufucks" in the post above, how many more posts of outrage would follow?

That's because "deviant sodomites" haven't been burning people at stakes, torturing them with Judas Cradles, and outright slaughtering non-sodomites the way Christians have been for the past 1700 years. Of course, now that it's Islams turn at bat, perhaps you can see why people are more apprehensive of religion than gay sex.

The rule is "don't pick on the weak". You can do whatever you want to the strong. For example, Apoc could have replaced the word "Jesufucks" with "senatorfucks", "lawyerfucks", "bankerfucks" and "realtorfucks" and no one would complain. However, it would be wrong to use the terms "jewfucks", "negrofucks", and "crackbabyfucks" because these groups have more than paid their fair share of suffering in history. Now if Christians were being thrown to the lions like they were before they acquired power over every Western nation, I could see your point.

The bottom line is that if you run everything, you have to take some potshots from time to time. So, if Christians don't want to be ridiculed for their behavior, all they have to do is give up all the power they have. Fair deal.

4   Patrick   @   2011 Dec 11, 12:59pm  

The interesting bit to me is what UNSPOKEN needs and fears drive the arguments.

It's hard to hear what isn't said! But it's the most important thing.

If you replace "baseball" with "God" in the comic, what you really have is an argument about the hope for life after death. If you use rational argument to take away that hope, sure, you're going to get a violent response. It won't be justified, but it will be predictable.

Given that some people need that irrational hope to go on, and others prefer painful truth to any kind of self-deception, how can we best all get along?

5   Bap33   @   2011 Dec 11, 2:40pm  

millions more people have been infected with HIV through sodomite activity than all the witches ever burned by people holding a Bible (they were not Christians). But, I see your point.
That power issue and structure you mention is the Catholic Church, not Christianity. In my opinion.

6   uomo_senza_nome   @   2011 Dec 11, 11:58pm  

Cloud says

More internet tough guy talk ... these guys are tough with their Christian bashing.

What you're doing is called 'Ad hominem' logical fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Try again!

7   uomo_senza_nome   @   2011 Dec 12, 12:00am  

Cloud says

I like the story about the universe exploding out of a tiny box.

Yeah, that story actually has enough scientific evidence to back the claims.

That tiny box = big bang singularity (infinite density)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBE_mission

8   MisdemeanorRebel   @   2011 Dec 12, 12:59am  

Bap33 says

millions more people have been infected with HIV through sodomite activity

Hemophiliacs also got HIV back in the day before they screened blood. Did God want to punish the hemophiliacs?

9   Dan8267   @   2011 Dec 12, 1:37am  

Bap33 says

millions more people have been infected with HIV through sodomite activity than all the witches ever burned by people holding a Bible (they were not Christians). But, I see your point.

Which is why the pope needs to stop saying condoms are bad. A lot of Africans are listening to him.

10   Dan8267   @   2011 Dec 12, 1:38am  

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Tony Manero says

The catholics could be really cool again if they took up crucifying bankers.

Think of the attendance on Sundays if the mass came with a little bankster crucifixion.

The one time Jesus was cool was when he kicked the money lenders asses.

11   uomo_senza_nome   @   2011 Dec 12, 2:46am  


Given that some people need that irrational hope to go on, and others prefer painful truth to any kind of self-deception, how can we best all get along?

As far as religion is concerned, why is truth painful?
Why can't we be comfortable with the unknown?

In fact, blind belief is painful. Look at all the wars fought in the name of religion.

12   Dan8267   @   2011 Dec 12, 6:15am  


Given that some people need that irrational hope to go on, and others prefer painful truth to any kind of self-deception, how can we best all get along?

Mortality isn't necessarily a bad thing. Eternal life would be really, really boring. Sure the first ten thousand years are great, but eventually it's like being on vacation with a bunch of Mormons. Plus, can you imagine the kind of procrastination that eternal life would encourage?

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