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At the least, expect a tire slashing.

Edit: Oops, thought these were bumper stickers.

There are plenty of secular Israelis, I don't think anyone would give the Hebrew one much thought.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/07/atheist-billboard-gets-bumped/?hpt=hp_t3

The Hebrew one was the one, that got the loudest bitching and disapproval. It's about time the Atheist piss off other religions than Christianity.
And the Atheist caved, wonder why that is?

The Hebrews exsisted. Jesus and that other stuff I dunno. I wouldn't rely on that book cause most of that is bullshit Hebrew, Christian or Muslim. So Hebrews do exsist as a people. Anything else is very esoteric and is used to "combine" different peoples. That right there should tell something. The combining and using superstitions like hell and heaven. A God that you can't see. That punishes and rewards.

Nationalism accomplishes the same thing or call it Patriotism. They also combine different peoples. In their respective nations. People are indoctrinated with nationalism way, way , way more than they are religion. In school, television, newspapers. Catalouged search engines. The people being indoctinated and re-indoctrinated (oh they will do that haha) sometimes just don't realize they are being drilled on nationlism on a daily basis. Ask whats more prevelant and has the most effect on people. Its fucking obvious isn't its? Nationalism or Patriotism. Its used way, way more than religion and on EVERYBODY. National Holidays. An election that takes one year where they "drill" everyone on patriotism or nationalism for over a year. News all they ever do is diatribes on "Nationalism or Patriotism". Do they really need to have a hundred politicans on the news every day. Once again its patriotism and nationlism. In one form or another. You may think its coincidence however Patriotism and Nationism are things that are very much contrived and done very much on purpose. School of course being the "incubator" and of course training you to get ready for debt and working for someone else other than yourself. They will never teach you to work for yourself or be self-sustaining in any school. Nationlism in schools of course is a marriage with the "Debt Merchants". Debt Merchant having priority because they do much of the Building and "Financing" of the schools. City, county bond issues etc.

"Muslims actually have a religious government of their own, that doesn't answer to the ATF or the FBI."

This applies only to Muslims and it's called a theocracy. I thought everyone knew that. As someone pointed out, many jews are jewish only by nationality and are not religiously observant, and tend to be politically liberal.

Yea ok pal. Why even comment. I've tried my best I really have. Its really nothing personal mind you. I'm out of wind. Its very tiring having to go back and shovel "Debt Merchant" shit. Some wonder why I do it. Theres a "learning curb" obviously not taken into account that people have hit their heads on one to many times.

ArtimusMaxtor says

Why even comment.

Because I can.

TPB says

What could possibly go wrong?

What could possibly go wrong with the alternative: appeasement?

TPB says

And the Atheist caved, wonder why that is?

No really...

"'The Jewish landlord of the building saw the billboard and refused to let it go up,'
*****
'It was very disappointing to me because I was raised Jewish,' he said by phone from New York. "They've been the victims of religious bigotry and now they're the purveyors.'"

And...

"Silverman said the billboard has been moved out of the residential area and put up in a pricier spot off a major highway at no additional cost. He added that while it was nice to have more visibility, his group was specifically targeting that Brooklyn neighborhood."

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/07/atheist-billboard-gets-bumped/?hpt=hp_t3

No! I'm good, calling it "CAVED".
The fuckers turned into the fuckies.

I've actually got "Hebrew" friends that have never said one GD thing about being victim's. People I have known for years and years. They have never brought up any Hollercost. Mostly happy. Happy to be what they are as a people. I guess on the news its a popular thing to do. But in real life. They simply are as if nothing ever happened.

I am as "liberal" as they come. However I'm not stupid. My last GF was Hebrew that lasted 5 years. My current GF is Syrian. I love semetic people. I'm one myself. Not Hebew. The bullshit surrounding Hebrews is really deep. They never really pay attention to it.

Uh huh, now let me ask you something, now your Jewish friends, do they mind being called "Hebrew"?

Do they speak Yiddish?

ArtimusMaxtor says

I am as "liberal" as they come.

ArtimusMaxtor says

The bullshit surrounding Hebrews is really deep.

Careful you don't step in this...
ArtimusMaxtor says

You may think its coincidence however Patriotism and Nationism are things that are very much contrived and done very much on purpose. School of course being the "incubator" and of course training you to get ready for debt and working for someone else other than yourself. They will never teach you to work for yourself or be self-sustaining in any school. Nationlism in schools of course is a marriage with the "Debt Merchants". Debt Merchant having priority because they do much of the Building and "Financing" of the schools. City, county bond issues etc.

TPB says

Careful you don't step in this...
ArtimusMaxtor says
You may think its coincidence however Patriotism and Nationism are things that are very much contrived and done very much on purpose. School of course being the "incubator" and of course training you to get ready for debt and working for someone else other than yourself. They will never teach you to work for yourself or be self-sustaining in any school. Nationlism in schools of course is a marriage with the "Debt Merchants". Debt Merchant having priority because they do much of the Building and "Financing" of the schools. City, county bond issues etc.

They want to teach how to work for someone else and not be self sufficent. Not teaching you how to have a lot. Without a loan for something. In fact they keep anything about "loans" out of schools for some reason. The plain reason is they want you ignorant of such things. I say close them down. Because you have to figure that they have some other purpose by not teaching you things like that. That purpose is stated above. In my estimation. I don't like America for the most part. Its one big Hillbilly speed trap.

Hebrew is proper. Jew is not. Jew is very slang

Some don't know the difference between a Hebrew and a Samaritan. Some might think one of them is a dog. They are not however and both are Semites.

ArtimusMaxtor says

Hebrew is proper. Jew is not. Jew is very slang

Well that's the whole point, if God is all just a bogus reason to give self important religious people validation, and you have no respect for SOME religions. But then you're trying to tell me your Jewish friends, Who could give a rats crap about God and all that crap, might get offended if I call them a Jew, instead of their proper Nationality, eh I mean race eh I mean...

You do know the Jews are a religion right?

Many eastern Christian groups are similar to Jews in that the ethnicity and religion are pretty much a 1:1 correspondence. So most Greeks belong to the Greek Orthodox Church, most Armenians belong to the Armenian church, etc.

OK, the Catholics are multi-ethnic in a big way, but note that they actually do have a government of their own, headed by the pope, with laws, lawyers, courts, the whole shebang. So it's not just Jews and Muslims.

This is all my point to you Liberals when you bash Christianity just to bust the religious right's balls. You really disenfranchise a lot of people that aren't religious, but do identify with upbringing.
Come on for the most part religion does a good job at keeping cannibal anarchy at bay. What the radicals do to the opposite of religions universal teachings, is on them. Not on religion as a whole.
But the impetus is on the Atheist to stick with their plan and put this bill board up where they said it best made their point(In an Hasidic Jewish neighborhood), and make their silly point, and piss off a lot of people. Or they should just STFU, and admit they hate Christians and are openly out to persecute them. Not this righteous crusader of Liberal ideas and belief Poppycock, they powder their bottom parts with.

I have to see proof of an atheist before I believe they exist. Anyone can claim to be one, I say prove it!! If you claim to be an atheist, go draw some cartoons of mohama!!! Go, do it now, and publish them in your local paper with your contact info!! Best of luck with that.

I'm pretty sure AngryDan is an atheist. Do you really need more proof?

Who or what is "mohama"? Do you mean Mohammed?

wthrfrk80 says

I'm pretty sure AngryDan is an atheist. Do you really need more proof?

I'm pretty sure Bap33 was being facetious when he claimed to need to see proof of an atheist before accepting the existence of one. I'm also pretty sure I'm not angry. I'm quite happy. I just have a low tolerance for trolls and idiots.

However, I'm not sure point what Bap33 was trying to make when he asked atheists to draw pictures of Mohamed. Why would one have to endanger his life in order to prove that he is an atheist? That makes no sense.

Proof by intimidation means nothing. One could just as well say, if you believe in Jesus, then draw a picture of Jesus taking a crap on Mohamed and hand deliver it to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and then kick him in the balls.

OK, the Catholics are multi-ethnic in a big way, but note that they actually do have a government of their own, headed by the pope, with laws, lawyers, courts, the whole shebang.

That's only because the Catholic Church was once an empire, and to some degree still is. The pope was an emperor and the kings had to pledge allegiance to him.

TPB says

This is all my point to you Liberals when you bash Christianity just to bust the religious right's balls. You really disenfranchise a lot of people that aren't religious, but do identify with upbringing.

That would be me. And I don't feel disenfranchise when people point out the hypocrisies of my former religion.

TPB says

Come on for the most part religion does a good job at keeping cannibal anarchy at bay.

Whoa, since when is cannibal anarchy just around the corner. I don't think we'd have that if Christianity suddenly disappears. Ironically, Christians believe that the Eucharist is the literal, not figurative, body of Christ, and then they eat it.

TPB says

But the impetus is on the Atheist to stick with their plan and put this bill board up where they said it best made their point(In an Hasidic Jewish neighborhood), and make their silly point, and piss off a lot of people. Or they should just STFU, and admit they hate Christians and are openly out to persecute them.

For the past several thousand years, every day the religious have advocated their superstitions. Children are exposed to these superstitions and told fairy tails are true before they are old enough to reason. Meanwhile, atheists have been burned alive at the stake, arrested, tortured, and fined throughout history. And the very first time in human history when atheists can openly advocate the dismissal of false superstitions, they are the assholes? I think not.

Are we sticking it to the Heebs or not?
Will there be any bonus points for the Fat Jews, are Fat Jews fair Liberal game, I forgot, or do they have to physically be on a plane? It's so complicated being a dynamic progressive, you really have to be careful the issues, you pick. I mean you don't want to piss of the diamond, clothes, and banking district, trying to make a point, about the Fairy tales they teach in Sunday school(sic).

Dan8267 says

Meanwhile, atheists have been burned alive at the stake, arrested, tortured, and fined throughout history. And the very first time in human history when atheists can openly advocate the dismissal of false superstitions, they are the assholes? I think not.

great point Dan ... now, you do realize that your point of view is from the warmth and comfort of a Chrisitan nation, right? ANd, even more important, it is only in a Chrisitan nation that an atheist has no fear of being silenced. My point about cartooning the fable writing arab of renoun, is the atheists should only see it as a cartoon, and the manger with a baby as nothing but statues in the grass, and the Ten Commandments on the wall nothing more than a public notice.

From the liberal/leftist/progressive/secular/atheist side, all concideration, weight and reverence is saved for ANYTHING that is NON-Christian - with anything that is ANTI-Chrisitan getting extra credit. OTOH, anything that is Christian is targeted and ridiculed ... making no sense to me, since atheist should just laugh at belivers, as if we were talking about Easter Bunny and Spiderman.

Dan, I say that if you were living in any Arab land, your anti-Christian views would be welcomed ... for a while .... until they didn't need the sound bite .... and then the fact that you do not belive in their god will cost you your head .... and, even if you do pretend to believe in their god, that only works for a while ... and then you will lose your head becasue you have no arab blood line (assumed) to connect you to the side you have chosen (shuni vs shia).

Your position, views, and ability to make negative comments are safe (here vs arabia) because conservative Christian people, just like me, have no, and never had, a desire to ever stop free expression of an ignorance about God. That is one of the founding blocks of this nation. Rock on Dan, I got your back!

Bap33 says

now, you do realize that your point of view is from the warmth and comfort of a Chrisitan nation, right?

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

-Article 11, Treaty of Tripoli, 1796

Bap33 says

From the liberal/leftist/progressive/secular/atheist side, all concideration, weight and reverence is saved for ANYTHING that is NON-Christian

Ummm... you do know what started this thread right?

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/01/atheist-group-targets-muslims-jews-with-myth-billboards-in-arabic-and-hebrew/?hpt=hp_c2

Bap33 says

I have to see proof of an atheist before I believe they exist. Anyone can claim to be one, I say prove it!! If you claim to be an atheist, go draw some cartoons of mohama!!! Go, do it now, and publish them in your local paper with your contact info!! Best of luck with that.

Do you believe in me Bap? I am God!

If you don't believe in me you are an atheist.

Your choices:
1. Become a disbelieving atheist, and I will send you to hell for eternal torture.
2. Worship me as your God, and I will let you spend an eternity singing praises about how great I am.
3. Prove that I am not God.

leoj707 says

Bap33 says

now, you do realize that your point of view is from the warmth and comfort of a Chrisitan nation, right?

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

-Article 11, Treaty of Tripoli, 1796

right, a treaty full of lies and half-truths we made with arabs to allow us to go after pirates. they broke the treaty and we went ahead and kicked everyones ass, pritates included. great example.

Bap33 says

you do realize that your point of view is from the warmth and comfort of a Chrisitan nation, right

No, I live in America, a secular country founded on the principle of separation of church and state, as oppose to England under King George who was head of state and church. They did teach you this in American history, right? If not, they should have.

Bap33 says

ANd, even more important, it is only in a Chrisitan nation that an atheist has no fear of being silenced.

1. America is not a Christian nation regardless of whether or not the majority of Americans are Christian. America is not a White nation even though the majority of Americas are (or recently were) white.

2. Christian nations have slaughtered pagans, Jews, and atheists for over seventeen hundred years and have only recently been stopped from doing that by the sheer force of rational people dragging those Christian nations through the Age of Enlightenment.

3. There are still many assholes in this country that discriminate against non-Christians including judges, who should be disbarred for doing so.

Bap33 says

My point about cartooning the fable writing arab of renoun, is the atheists should only see it as a cartoon, and the manger with a baby as nothing but statues in the grass, and the Ten Commandments on the wall nothing more than a public notice.

You're missing the point. I don't object to the Ten Commandments on the wall of a courthouse because I'm an atheist. I object to the Ten Commandments on the wall of a courthouse because I'm an American. Even when I was a Catholic boy in a Christian brothers' high school, I objected to the Ten Commandments in a courthouse. It violates the separation of church and state and the First Amendment to the Constitution. This offends me as an American, not as an atheist. And it should offend you, too.

Bap33 says

From the liberal/leftist/progressive/secular/atheist side, all concideration, weight and reverence is saved for ANYTHING that is NON-Christian - with anything that is ANTI-Chrisitan getting extra credit. OTOH, anything that is Christian is targeted and ridiculed ... making no sense to me, since atheist should just laugh at belivers, as if we were talking about Easter Bunny and Spiderman.

So many things to refute…

1. Liberal, leftist, progressive, secular, and atheist all mean entirely different things.

a. Liberal - Believing in a high degree of personal liberty. The more you believe in liberty, the more liberal you are. Being liberal is always a good thing. It's opposite is tyranny.

b. Leftist - Believing in the economic principles of following in descending degree of leftism: communism (most left) or socialism or a high degree of government regulation of capitalism (least left). We can debate the merits of left vs. right economic policies, but I find that both extremes are bad.

c. Progressive - Believing in moderate political change and especially social improvement by governmental action such as standard working hours, minimum wage, child labor laws, labor safety laws, and compulsory education. And quite frankly, anyone who is anti-progressive is a major asshole.

d. Secular - Believing in the separation of church and state and that the state should not impose any law to promote a religion, theology, or moral code. Instead, the state should protect the rights of the people. Anybody with half a brain is a secularist.

e. Atheism - Disbelieving in all gods. Used to mean simply the lack of belief, but today it means active disbelief. The truly rational, those who simply cannot accept a belief that leads to contradictions no matter how comforting it is, ultimately become atheists.

As you should be able to tell, the above terms are independent. A person can be any combination of the above including none or all.

2. None of the above are anti-Christian with the possible exception of atheism. And atheism is only anti-Christian in the sense that it is anti-deception and Christian dogma are all lies. Atheism does not accept any religion: Christian or otherwise. Atheism doesn't pick on Christianity, it refutes all superstitions.

3. Demanding separation of church and state is a far cry from ridiculing a religion. The Ten Commandments have no place in a courthouse. America has it's own legal code, and the legislators did not limit it to ten commandments.

Again, would you be OK with a tablet containing Sharia Law in a courthouse? If not, it is hypocritical to accept the Ten Commandments in the same courthouse.

4. Nobody worships the Easter Bunny and Spiderman. More importantly, Spiderman isn't the reason I can't buy booze on Sundays in many states. The Hulk isn't the reason that we don't have freedom of speech on airwaves and basic cable. And Aquaman didn't tell George W. Bush to invade Iraq which resulted in a million deaths. If only really important state decisions were not based on religion just like they aren't based on comic books.

Bap33 says

Dan, I say that if you were living in any Arab land, your anti-Christian views would be welcomed ... for a while .... until they didn't need the sound bite .... and then the fact that you do not belive in their god will cost you your head .... and, even if you do pretend to believe in their god, that only works for a while ... and then you will lose your head becasue you have no arab blood line (assumed) to connect you to the side you have chosen (shuni vs shia).

And the same thing would have happened if I lived in any Christian nation from 300 A.D. to 1700 A.D. Yes, the Middle East is still in its Middle Ages, but the cause of both their Middle Ages and Europe's is the same: religion is bad and it promotes violence and blind obedience to corrupt people.

And the only way to defeat Islam in the Middle East is to secularize Middle Eastern culture just like Europe and America were secularized. Would you really want to live in pre-secularized Europe or America, you know, when they used to burn witches? Life sucked then and it was largely due to religion holding everyone back.

Bap33 says

Your position, views, and ability to make negative comments are safe (here vs arabia) because conservative Christian people, just like me, have no, and never had, a desire to ever stop free expression of an ignorance about God. That is one of the founding blocks of this nation. Rock on Dan, I got your back!

Au contraire, the religious puritans who fled England were every bit as intolerant as the Anglicans from which they fled. The 17th century American colonies were completely intolerant.

Religious tolerance came from the Age of Enlightenment which was a product of the rational and scientific movement which aimed to wrestle control away from the religions and establish sound, reasoned logic and evidence as the basis for explaining the natural world. The Age of Enlightenment was a secular movement that sought to replace the church's authority with secular state authority. And it is to those figures of the Enlightenment, philosophers Rene Descartes to Immanuel Kant, scientists Robert Hooke to Isaac Newton, and engineers James Watt to Andrew Meikle that I owe the ability to speak freely about atheism and other matters. They dragged Western Civilization kicking and screaming out of the dark ages and into modern times.

The USA is not "officially" Christian. There are vague references to the "Creator" in the Declaration of Independence, but the "Creator" is not identified as the Christian trinitarian God.

It's true that Christianity was the dominant religion of the USA from it's founding until about 100 years ago, when it was replaced by Protestant Liberalism. Atheism is gaining ground since Protestant Liberalism has nothing to offer but vague bullshit and gobbledegook.

Will atheism win the day? I suppose nobody knows. Conservative Christians generally have more children than atheists. But atheists control the public education system and most of academia, converting many conservative Christian children to atheism by adulthood.

Bap33 says

right, a treaty full of lies and half-truths we made with arabs to allow us to go after pirates. they broke the treaty and we went ahead and kicked everyones ass, pritates included. great example.

Haha, um... no. Nice try though.

Not unless "kicking ass" to you is defined by signing another treaty with them, and giving them a handsome payout to encourage them to sign the treaty as well.

dude, please, the Marines kept the booty that they found on the Pirate ships that came from places too far to return it. After a while, they just kept it all. And, America was paid in treasure for keeping pirates dead and out of the shipping lanes.

The "treaty" was the only way the prez could get a base set up there, and then - as now - the crazy arabs were helping the pirates and hated CHristians and Jews. We knew they were helping the pirates, and were pirates, and the treaty offer put the arabs in a tuff spot because the entire world used only shipping for trade and travel. So, please, pick another area to base your claim. We made lotsa treatys with the Indians that were loaded with all kinds of crap.

@Dan,
I disagree. THere is a difference between Christian actions, atitiudes, ideas, and notions ; and BrandX organized religion/big church/cult actions, atitudes, and notions.

Also, the Ten Commandments represent/anchor the Rule of Law, kinda like the very corner stone of any legal system. I suspect you knew that, and you also know the progrssive/liberal/leftists are not happy with Rule of Law .... hence the activist judges and Lord Barry's choice to rule by personal decree, and all things that help progressive/libs to create the Libtopian State.

The Ten Commandments represent absolute right and wrong ... a black and a white ... not gray or nuanced ... so, would you say the absolutes are more welcomed by conservatives or by liberal/progressives??

Bap33 says

, and you also know the progrssive/liberal/leftists are not happy with Rule of Law ....

Really Bap ? C'mon.

Bap33 says

would you say the absolutes are more welcomed by conservatives or by liberal/progressives??

Let's say republicans rather than conservatives, since I would argue your average Democrat is more conservative than your average Republican (these days that is).

I would say that everyone believes what they want to believe, but republicans are far worse, because the biggest policy that gets implemented and effects everyone is taxes.

Taxes bite everyone.

So use a little common sense and forget all the meaningless bullshit about gays and God and face the fact. The most important policies that will make a big difference between voting republican and voting democrat are tax policies. It might not be at the forefront of why the typical republican votes republican, but the truth is that's what it's about.

Of course it's worse than that, it's about the taxes that the overlords who are behind Fox and talk radio pay. It's about what they pay in taxes. The typical republican voter is manipulated with propaganda.

You have to want to believe pretty badly to buy all the bs you hear on talk radio, or wherever you get it. Drudge report perhaps ?

Bap33 says

the Marines kept the booty that they found on the Pirate ships that came from places too far to return it.

Any Pirates that keep some booty on their ships are ok with me!

@marcus,
I agree that the money is a big issue. I am for taxes paying for a closed border and lots of army guys to keep you and yours safe and happy. I am not for taxes for welfare (all welfare, including banks and such.