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oliverks1 says

How do these have anything to do with Community Investment Act?

Don't underestimate how EVIL Carter and Clinton truly are. It's a massive conspiracy engineered to give Habitat for Humanity more business.

First of all, even the creators of the "liberal bias" myth, Kristol et al., admitted that it was all a ruse to work the refs. There is no liberal bias.

Even if you watch the (obviously and openly) liberal hosts on MSNBC, you'll notice some stark differences: facts and nuance.

You'll hear them describe Obama's problem with the left flank, and why. You'll hear complaints about how too little was done on X and how he is too cozy with Y.

I watch Faux news; it really is operating more on a brain-stem/id level, whereas the Center-Democratic leaning outlets appeal to logic.

Keep in mind that faux news is not necessarily "conservative" but an arm of the GOP establishment. I don't recall them criticizing Medicare part D, or march to the Iraq war. What happened to conservatives decrying the US as "policemen of the world", for example?

There is no logic, only emotion. (Excepting Chris Wallace sometimes, and Brett Baier, sometimes)

Facts are just words one presents as proof for their side of the argument. Only the gullible take "Facts" undisputed.

CaptainShuddup says

Facts are just words one presents as proof for their side of the argument. Only the gullible take "Facts" undisputed.

Don't you see the inherent disdain for the facts in your statement? Facts are real, provable, logical. A fact is that Obama has lowered taxes tremendously and extended the Bush Tax cuts. A fact is that the GOP has decided that that did not work to stimulate the economy.

The fact is they lack coherence.

CL says

Facts are real, provable, logical.

Facts are only facts if both parties understand the parameters. And facts are only facts then as determined by those parameters.

For a christian Fundamentalist a fact would be... "You can not go to heaven unless you accept Jesus Christ in your heart..."

A fact for California Liberal circa 1979...
"Ozone is creating a hole in the atmosphere and we will experience an ice age by 2010." and then there's... "Blue Whales will be extinct by 2012"

My point is, you folks like to present theories and beliefs as "Facts" when they most certainly are not.

But that's all vague now isn't it? I tell you what give me a Fact, and we'll see just how concrete it is. Is it a fact or is it position, one would take? There is a difference, you just might like to pretend there is no distinction.

CL says

A fact is that Obama has lowered taxes tremendously and extended the Bush Tax cuts.

REALLY!? That's a "FACT"?

So I don't have to pay that extra 2K in taxes this year, because you say Obama lowered taxes "tremendously"? And what about Gas, Beer, Cigs, Snacks, and Soda taxes, those don't count as taxes in your demented obtuse little world?

I want to thank you, thank you for going big, and illustrating my point.
You never disappoint, what a Lutz!

CaptainShuddup says

For a christian Fundamentalist a fact would be... "You can not go to heaven unless you accept Jesus Christ in your heart..."

In your example, this is not a fact, but a belief. Hence the large number of people who can rightly believe otherwise and be disproven.

A fact: There are over 2 billion Christians in the world.

If that fact is changed or disproven as new information is made available, the objective person replaces that fact with an updated fact.

Emotions are real, but the way they shape your worldview are interpretation.

CaptainShuddup says

CL says

A fact is that Obama has lowered taxes tremendously and extended the Bush Tax cuts.

REALLY!? That's a "FACT"?

So I don't have to pay that extra 2K in taxes this year, because you say Obama lowered taxes "tremendously"? And what about Gas, Beer, Cigs, Snacks, and Soda taxes, those don't count as taxes in your demented obtuse little world?

I want to thank you, thank you for going big, and illustrating my point.

You never disappoint, what a Lutz!

Did Obama raise Gas Taxes, Excise Taxes on Beer, snacks or soda? WTF are you talking about?

Demented, indeed!

CL says

Keep in mind that faux news is not necessarily "conservative" but an arm of the GOP establishment. I don't recall them criticizing Medicare part D, or march to the Iraq war. What happened to conservatives decrying the US as "policemen of the world", for example?

LOL very true. That's why they're called neo-conservatives, meaning total hypocrites.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/UXoNE14U_zM

CL says

whereas the Center-Democratic leaning outlets appeal to logic.

Can you name those "outlets" that appeal to logic.

Obama Sucks Ass = Fact!

TPB, that's you right ?

For those who are not Patriots. Who are not honorable... do not click on the link below, because it will not upset you.

However, if you believe in JUSTICE for one and for ALL, then please do click on it. IT'S OFFICIAL AND GAINING A SOLID RESPONSE.

Sheriff Joe is going after the forger and is doing it officially.

solver says

For those who are not Patriots. Who are not honorable... do not click on the link below, because it will not upset you.

However, if you believe in JUSTICE for one and for ALL, then please do click on it. IT'S OFFICIAL AND GAINING A SOLID RESPONSE.

Sheriff Joe is going after the forger and is doing it officially.

It's not that I'm not honorable and not a conservative.

It's that I have common sense, and Obama wouldn't be there with all of his warts and air of illegitimacy if someone REALLY high up didn't want it.

He was put there to do the bailouts. He's an errand boy with a Harvard Law degree. He was that way from the start. Why do you think he's not putting up more of a fight for Obamacare? He's not fighting that hard, really.

I agree, but that doesn't make it right. You and I among ALL others are held tight on the leash and held accountable for our misappropriated pennies, nickels, dimes and dollars, not to include the traffic laws and minor to petty civil crimes... and so should everyone else, despite how deep in the rabbit hole they really are.

If there's a forger out there who has perpetrated this crime, then they should be held accountable equally like us. The same goes for the Corzine and others who were able to steal billions and simply allowed to walk with their GET OUT OF JAIL CARD.

The ultimate point is that we're a beacon of hope, freedom, prosperity among others in America and much of that used to be based on honor, integrity, freedom, constitutional rights and now many of us are just allowing the higher powers to be able to get away with anything that they want.

We're not owned. We're a free people in AMERICA and unless we take a stand and draw a line in the sand saying that we will not allow our rights to be openly trampled on, they will continue to push and take them away and in very latent ways.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/nbc-launches-internal-investigation-over-trayvon-martin-case

Well if that isn't a form of a bias I don't know what is. How can you edit out what was on a 911 call and say it is OK.

A simple petition to a cable co can cause nbc channels to be dropped in many local areas.

I think zimmerman should be arrested and charged. But this isn't the first time that nbc has selectively cut out parts of what really happened to suit some other purpose. Back in the 90's whdh asked the then senator ted kennedy what he thought about a recent bombing in n. ireland. He said that it "could" have been the IRA although....cut..that's all the network needed to hear, no need to hear other possibilities.

I have cloud and TPB on "ignore" because I can get the exact same "inforamtion" from AM radio. No need to hear the same stuff on PatNet.

Cloud says

Here you go Leo. As I said even the most ardent partisan reporters and editor understand why you need 2 newspapers in any city. The most honest will tell you those they work for vote Democrat and tend to be liberal.

Leo, did you hear about RFK Jr. getting 1.5 billion from the DOE for his failed green company while his partner is working at the Department of Energy ? It is a technique called omission and the media uses it all the time.

And yet the overall message from 99% of media has a conservative bias.

Interesting... so what you are saying is that you would prefer if mainstream media organizations had an even stronger conservative bias. OK, to each their own I suppose.

I for one prefer my news to carry the lowest level of bias as possible, but that is just me.

Cloud says

Here is a good reason why we need shitty websites like Newsbusters and Evil Fox News.

So we need shitty propaganda outlets, who mostly report lies, in order to balance out the only somewhat conservative bias in the reporting of the mainstream media?

rootvg says

Journalism here is skewed to the left because that's what people in this area want to hear.
Journalism in north Texas is skewed to the right because that's what people there want to hear.
It's a business.

Well put.