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Who Thinks Cars Are an Over-Priced Old Technology?
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2012 Apr 10, 3:06pm 47,636 views 96 comments
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GNL
2023 Oct 4, 8:17am
GNL
2023 Oct 4, 8:17am
ad, still seems like they could build an even cheaper car. If the government is going to be in the mandating business and they wanted to promote their greenie paradise, they could mandate a very cheap car with pretty good gas mileage. It would probably do a good job of getting the older cars off the road.
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2023 Oct 4, 9:27am
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GNL says
I read that new and small cars in India such as Tatas sell for less than $10,000. I suspect its just not financially attractive for GM, Ford, Honda, Nissan, etc. to sell that cheap of a car.
Ford, with its UAW workforce, makes most of its profit from trucks like the F 150 as well as its mid size to large SUVs.
Cheapest car I could find in the USA is around $17,000 MSRP for a Nissan. Look at it and it still has high-tech features compared to 25 to 30 years ago.
Each 5 year period brings new technology due to government regulations and/or consumer trends.
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ad, still seems like they could build an even cheaper car. If the government is going to be in the mandating business and they wanted to promote their greenie paradise, they could mandate a very cheap car with pretty good gas mileage. It would probably do a good job of getting the older cars off the road.
I read that new and small cars in India such as Tatas sell for less than $10,000. I suspect its just not financially attractive for GM, Ford, Honda, Nissan, etc. to sell that cheap of a car.
Ford, with its UAW workforce, makes most of its profit from trucks like the F 150 as well as its mid size to large SUVs.
Cheapest car I could find in the USA is around $17,000 MSRP for a Nissan. Look at it and it still has high-tech features compared to 25 to 30 years ago.
Each 5 year period brings new technology due to government regulations and/or consumer trends.
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GNL
2023 Oct 4, 10:40am
GNL
2023 Oct 4, 10:40am
I did look at the link. I thought the Ford pickup was interesting. And, for the first time, that I know of, I saw one of them on the road today.
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2023 Oct 4, 11:21am
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GNL says
Yeah the Ford Maverick truck is made in Mexico and that explains why it is not expensive.
https://www.powernationtv.com/post/ford-maverick-least-american-truck
Our 2021 Honda CRV is about 73% made in USA with non union labor. Its more American made than the Ford Maverick.
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I did look at the link. I thought the Ford pickup was interesting. And, for the first time, that I know of, I saw one of them on the road today.
Yeah the Ford Maverick truck is made in Mexico and that explains why it is not expensive.
https://www.powernationtv.com/post/ford-maverick-least-american-truck
Our 2021 Honda CRV is about 73% made in USA with non union labor. Its more American made than the Ford Maverick.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Oct 4, 11:35am
Tenpoundbass
2023 Oct 4, 11:35am
ad says
It's a hybrid and there's no gas only option. No go for me.
Yeah the Ford Maverick truck is made in Mexico and that explains why it is not expensive.
It's a hybrid and there's no gas only option. No go for me.
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2023 Oct 4, 11:55am
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Tenpoundbass says
The hybrid version adds $1500. There is a gas only option for the Ford Maverick and out the door or net price is around $25,000.
https://shop.ford.com/configure/maverick/config/paint/Config%5B%7CFord%7CMaverick%7C2024%7C1%7C1.%7C...PNE...999.XL.%5D
It's a hybrid and there's no gas only option. No go for me.
The hybrid version adds $1500. There is a gas only option for the Ford Maverick and out the door or net price is around $25,000.
https://shop.ford.com/configure/maverick/config/paint/Config%5B%7CFord%7CMaverick%7C2024%7C1%7C1.%7C...PNE...999.XL.%5D
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UkraineIsTotallyFucked
2023 Oct 6, 3:34am
UkraineIsTotallyFucked
2023 Oct 6, 3:34am
zachj says
Labor comprises only 5% of a car's cost these days.
The root cause if the high price is attributed to the unions, where in some cases employees make in excess of $60/hour.
Labor comprises only 5% of a car's cost these days.
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zzyzzx
2023 Oct 6, 8:29am
zzyzzx
2023 Oct 6, 8:29am
Tenpoundbass says
Could and will are 2 different things. By not offering basic models, they are forcing people to buy more expensive and profitable models. Even something like the most base Chevy Trax has a ton of standard items that you don't need, like:
Automatic Emergency Braking
Forward Collision Alert
Front Pedestrian Braking
Following Distance Indicator
Lane Keep Assist with Lane Departure Warning
And the above mentioned items use sensors that are in the windshield / bumper / light assembly that are expensive and going to require programming if they ever need to be replaced.
You also don't need cruise control, traction control, air bags, Engine air filter life monitor, and you are better off with a regular manual parking brake than the standard electronic parking brake. I would also hate the capless fuel fill, which is also going to cause problems eventually, especially if you live someplace that does emissions testing. It also comes standard with power windows, which, I have also found to be extremely unreliable in the long run. The body colored door handles means that if you break a door handle, it's also not a cheap fix. I will also hate the Tire Pressure Monitoring System since that is also something else I don't need or want that's going to increase maintenance costs.
On a more expensive vehicle it's only going to have more of this extra crap that you don't need.
Cars don't have to have 4 cylinders anymore, nor do they need a huge power battery.
They could make a car with a 15hp Small engine powering a generator and power the electric motors directly..
Cars don't have to be as fancy or as heavy as they are either.
Could and will are 2 different things. By not offering basic models, they are forcing people to buy more expensive and profitable models. Even something like the most base Chevy Trax has a ton of standard items that you don't need, like:
Automatic Emergency Braking
Forward Collision Alert
Front Pedestrian Braking
Following Distance Indicator
Lane Keep Assist with Lane Departure Warning
And the above mentioned items use sensors that are in the windshield / bumper / light assembly that are expensive and going to require programming if they ever need to be replaced.
You also don't need cruise control, traction control, air bags, Engine air filter life monitor, and you are better off with a regular manual parking brake than the standard electronic parking brake. I would also hate the capless fuel fill, which is also going to cause problems eventually, especially if you live someplace that does emissions testing. It also comes standard with power windows, which, I have also found to be extremely unreliable in the long run. The body colored door handles means that if you break a door handle, it's also not a cheap fix. I will also hate the Tire Pressure Monitoring System since that is also something else I don't need or want that's going to increase maintenance costs.
On a more expensive vehicle it's only going to have more of this extra crap that you don't need.
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So who thinks cars are also disgustingly overpriced for a simple piece of metal to get you from A to B?
New technology is always expensive but cars are now an old technology. They should be cheaper.
Every sheeple I've ever known always ask "How much is the monthly payment for a lease or How much is the monthly payment to buy?"
NEVER do they ask "How much money do I need to buy upfront with cash including tax and other fees along with the insurance, average maintenance costs and fuel?"
Cars, like homes are overpriced and propped up by cheap credit. Leasing a car for personal use is the most stupidest thing. For a big company it may make sense.