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Gentle Readers,
I'm starting to get a headache.
Regards,
Roidy

Well I can still hear the horse breathing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=PgThaSd9m-4&NR=1

Bap33 says

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=PgThaSd9m-4&NR=1

What exactly do you think you are demonstrating with this video?

Interesting some things that were "removed" from the original wittings. Hmmm. I lived with a girl. A Chinese girl. Next to the Emory campus for about 2 years. Second largest theologial library in the world. I like Asian girls. They have no "hang-ups". The largest theological library in the world is at Oxford in England.

This thing is filled 3 floors size of the Metropolitan library in NY with nothing but theological material some of it ancient. I found it all fascinating myself. I thought about going to school there. My best friend Fred a Semite went there we used to have some heavy talks about life and what was what. I thought hey with a few minor disagreements. Freds people were not my people of course. I would book on in there and try to settle some things or rather we could both fine tune some points of difference. I liked Fred. Fred was a cool cat.

First off no one out there knows how this thing started. Anyone that says they do is a Space rambler. I don't care if your a Christian or oil pan you don't know what happened. Thats only sense. There is no way you could know.

Fred thought it was funny me living with a Chinese girl. I thought Fred dating a southern girl was fairly hysterical myself. Fred was loaded by the way.

One thing that was left out was a part about Abraham. I found that highly interesting. I also had a really good friend that was gay. I wanted to know some things. Me and two of his friends were going to have dinner they got in a discussion about Sodom and Gomorrah. I listened. This was a long time ago of course. I am a hip city guy. So I got around. Something didn't make to sense to me while I was listening to the conversation. I'm thinking this is town filled with men? WTF. Somewhere on the earth but no place I've ever heard of. Wheres the fucking lesbians I wondered? I thought why this story in the first place?

I didn't go looking to repute this strange story to begin with. I know better. Thats one big fucking library. I did find some interesting things because I spent a good amount of time in there. Emory girls well theres a lot of Foreign girls there to. Its a very expensive school. I find it wise to be distracted by girls when doing research. Helps with your uh concentration......

Sodom and Gomorrah mind you I will not dispute the orginal Hebrew writing about sex issues. That I could not find anything on however those were rules for Hebrews and no one else. That I did find. Sodom is a Greek word. That is not the original word. In the originial writing Lot was sent to the town. Because the people of the plains were stealing Abrahams things. Not the things with him. The people of the town were like oh a hillbilly clan like oh Deliverance wouldn't fit of course. They were theives. Lot went in there told them. Stop stealing Abrahams. They threatened to kill him. He left. Then there was an earthquake according to the writting. It also listed the things that were stolen. No gays. No sex involved whatsoever. One other part I found is where.

God says I give you Abraham whats older than the oldest hills. WTF is that? Heaven? Great gift God I guess he was just another rube waiting for the last days. So that didn't make sense. Further along in the text it listed what he had rights to that no one else had. Things like coal and iron and copper, magnesium. That made sense seeing what other planets are made of. Shit I though I get to go home and slap my GF around. Why did that take that out. Who knows. Maybe the jealousy of some people that felt they didn't get anything and deserved it. So basically Abraham had all mineral rights on the earth. Thats where the term "mineral rights" came from. See that for whoever left that out that was motive. The gay part is a highly charged social issue given the Hebrew writing. Which were Hebrew teachings. Whoever had those had no business with them in the first place. As it was denoted those were INSTRUCTIONS FOR HEBREWS ONLY. Take the older than the oldest hills to the Jesus story it makes sense sorta. That is if you add in the fact that everyone gets to labor and certain people get to make off with everything else because well they know that, that part for there intended is bullshit anyway. So the question here might be who knows what? See. I'm not so sure that everyone thats on top understands how this stuff was changed. So before I go pointing my finger saying GUILTY!. My search would be to find the perpetrators. Who exactly was perpetrated. No reasoning with anyone here. Just plain fact. It isn't a point of reason. Just finding who put story in there left the orignal writing out. Being gay. Which I am not is a fact of life. It's really no ones business. Just like my sex life is no ones business. That story that was inserted is one of the most malicious things I have ever encountered. Once again that was a highly charged sociological issue given the Hebrew writings that never should have been in any other peoples hands. The text was very clear about that that text was for the Hebrews only. See several other semetic relgious writing take from the Hebrew writings. Thats not supposed to be according to Hebrew writing. That in itself is considered stealing from the Hebrews. So according to "Hebrew" writing. Gays aren't in trouble, unless they are Hebrew. However some other syncopants are in deep shit according to "Hebrew" text for stealing Hebrew belongings. Don't bother debating with me I have the proof.

Bigsby says

Bap33 says

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=PgThaSd9m-4&NR=1

What exactly do you think you are demonstrating with this video?

me? nothing, just found it interesting. You can argue with the experts on the matter. I just listen and do some light fact checking, but I am not an expert. Do you enjoy the topic?

Deal is am I a liberal nope. Conservative nope. Athiest nope. Believer in God nope. I'm not stupid enough to get thrown in a box and get mailed. When something avoids making sense. Like no ones upset about oh S&M or incest. Or anything like that makes me fucking wonder. Why lean so heavy on this deal? Obviously they can say anything they want. Which to me something so obscure is being made such a big deal of in the first place, makes me think it's hiding something else. I don't see any reason to limit my friendships or aquaintances based on what someone else thinks. Someones prejudice or someones FEAR of someone else. So the menace is contained. Praise God or that just the way people are. Different strokes. Go to FT Lauderdale (best beach in FL) and watch the Sunrise. Makes you wonder.

ArtimusMaxtor says

Go to FT Lauderdale (best beach in FL)

Um that would be NO. IT had its day, but that was way before City hall destroyed everything that made Ft Laud beach, Ft Laud Beach.

CaptainShuddup says

ArtimusMaxtor says

Go to FT Lauderdale (best beach in FL)

Um that would be NO. IT had its day, but that was way before City hall destroyed everything that made Ft Laud beach, Ft Laud Beach.

I guess that depends on what your going to the beach for. The Los Olas beach in Ft. Lauderdale has the best water, nice and green-blue. The Bahamas have more such water, but that's not FL.

http://www.globeimages.net/data/media/5/north_view_fort_lauderdale_beach.jpg

http://www.travelwithyourkids.com/sites/travelwithyourkids.com/themes/fusion/twyk/images/10.jpg

South Beach in Miami is full of hot nudists. So that's a plus.

Delray Beach has nice pretty sand and a good coastline.

Boca's beach right off of Spanish River is convenient and there's few people there in the morning.

Jet skiing and para-sailing are available in Ft. Lauderdale by the River Queen. Everyone should jet ski and para-sail at least once in their lives.

I want access to the beach is what I look for in a beach. I don't want to feed the meeter more than I'll spend for lunch at the beach, and I damn sure don't want a $35.00 ++ ticket for expired meeter. I would be nice if I could find a picnic table, or at least some selfish family who's nationality I'll leave out(but you south Floridians know exactly who and what I'm talking about) didn't grab all 5 available picnic tables and huddle them under their pavilion with nothing more than a beach towel on each to suggest they are reserved, for their army of noise makers, that either may or may not show up, but they aren't there now.

I'd like the beach clean, people get off their lazy ass and walk back to the boardwalk to where the garbage cans are, and throw their shit away, instead of just leaving it in a heap where they sat.

Oh who am I kidding, South Florida hasn't seen a beach like that since Nick Navarro was Sheriff.

CaptainShuddup says

I don't want to feed the meeter

Yeah, all beaches should have free public parking. The beach is a public resource that should be enjoyable by the whole public without parasitic rent seekers holding it hostage.

Anyway, if you live in Boca, you can get a beach parking pass for like $65/yr. Then you can park as much as often as you like in one of the city beach parking lots. It's a good deal if you go to the beach a lot.

Downtown Hollywood got so out of hand, that people quit going. The place was a ghost town, 24/7. December last year, the city at the behest of the struggling businesses, took away the meeters and instilled free parking. The place is booming now, like it's the summer of 2003.

People want to enjoy them selves they don't want to sweat the meeter, when there's a hefty expired meeter charge. Back in the day when the ticket was 5 or 10 bucks, people would just let it expire. Now it's $35.00 and if you don't pay in full with in 48 hours, it has another hefty charge levied on top of that. Then there was the slew of bank parking lots that seemed to be free parking, or that had served as such for years. Then all of sudden, with out warning, people started getting towed from those lots. Then about the time, the City installed paver sidewalks, and landscape, and installed those awful meeters that you had to kneel down on your knees to feed the meeter dollar bills it would most always spit the bills back at you, or it may or may not connect to the buggy Hollywood Wi-Fi and not validate your credit/debit card. Either way it was a pain in the ass, just to feed the meeter and often enough, you would have to walk further and further down the block trying each machine as you went along until you found one that took your money/card.

Me calling a religous person a space jockey is a euphemism its a belittling. I never said I believed in God or not thats a good way to get thrown in a box and get mailed somewhere get catalouged and categorized. So I'm not going to get in arguments about something no one really knows nothing about like fucking outer space or the beginnings. Where I'm coming from is where that book started the bible who, how, what, where, when and why that book was put together. I understand it completely and the motives for putting that book together. There was motive a lot of it. It's not simply a book that sits on table somewhere. It's something that people are active with and utilize in there life. Thats where the athiest fucks up getting in some outer space argument. Where he really fucks up is when he thinks some government that keep perpetrating the book. BY DIVIDING RELIGION AND STATE. Is somehow on his side. Its stupid knowing and seeing how they divide up the people in every other way to trust anything that do but to cause fighting amoung people. They foster they promote it they do it ever fucking day. Day in and day out. Thats the failing of an athiest where he ever thinks hes going to get a fair shake from a government that needs good well behaved religious children to believe everything they do and say.

Bap33 says

@ellie,

You are 100% on the mark. Great post.

is this a 'come on'??

you must have missed the thred where I shared how silly it is to give personage to on-line posters. There is no sex, no male nor female, no race, no weight nor hight, and therefore there is no reason for a "come-on".

Let me demonstrate:
I am a 24 year old blonde female 36D / 28 / 32 who is famous in the porn industry
wait .. now I am a 46 year old negro male in prison for gang rape of a male corrections officer
no .. wait .. I am a 74 year old retired fireman that was second in line to go to the moon when I was in the Apollo program ...
see how it works? There is no sex, creed, color, or any personage other than letters on a screen. Hope that helps.
Good day.

besides, she's married, I'm married, and she doesn't really like my political views. But, she is nice.

Bap33 says

you mean, other than the fact that we cant build a pyramid as perfect today?

Dang...someone clearly hasn't Partied at the Luxor in Vegas!! If you can get pass the bedbugs you will see a more perfect pyramid with a much more juciey filling

Bigsby says

I spent 3 months or so travelling around Egypt when I was 18. It was fascinating.

Did you go to the Pizza Hut in Cairo? If so, what size and what kindsa toppings do they have over there? I slung dough for PH when I was in high school. But not on Cairo.

Bap33 says

You do realize that science refused to admit that large astorids could even hit earth until this century, right? Refused!!

Uhh, I assume by "this century" you mean the past century or so. Otherwise I think you'll find a little incident that happened on Jupiter, recorded by Hubble sort of established the empirical record in real-time.

Irrespective, I didn't realize what you claim because it's categorically false. I'm pretty sure that Kepler, Galileo and Copernicus were from earlier centuries (though I'm not sure if that violates some fundamentalist math somewhere). They all "admitted" that large extrplanetary bodies were not only likely, but destined to continue colliding with the Earth. And then there's always Newton (also not from this century).

Randy H says

And then there's always Newton (also not from this century).

That Newton. The one who lost money in the South Sea Bubble. Too bad there was no patrick.net back then. I wonder what bubble-deniers in that period looked like.

I don't want to deny the possibility that the Egyptians had help. Partly because that sounds so cool. Perhaps they were working with the Atlanteans too.

More importantly, we just don't know enough to prove or disprove that. It is entirely possible that there was an hugely advanced civilization (with social networks and all) before our known history. We probably will never find out.

I think we tend to underestimate human ingenuity. With enough motivation we prove a rather resourceful lot. If the Egyptians were motivated to build their monoliths -- and they were -- then they figured out a way.

I have always been fascinated by the motivations behind the egyptians. What kind of programming did they received for them to do what they did? I want to learn that kind of programing skills. It beats Java and .Net.

Hi Randy, long time no see. I am no expert, I just heard that, or read that, science disputed an asrtroid based mass kill event for the dinos. I like you examples though. I happen to think a large rock or two is how God did a few important things in history.

On your trust of the Egyptian claim of building the big rock piles, I just don't think so. Partly due to guys like in this clip and their information. Please enjoy and respond. You too PeterP!! lol
http://youtu.be/KFjvgzpHr88

Perhaps God can move things along for manipulating probabilistic events at the subatomic level? There are many possibilities.

Bap, have you read many of Hancock's books?

Hey Bap33. Remember that "science" is nothing more than a method. That method encourages and allows for competing or conflicting theories. It's not possible to definitively prove the KT event was caused by an asteroid, though it's a pretty well verified theory. But there are still scientists who propose alternate theories. I could mention that of all the grand theories of scientific discovery, evolution is the most well proven and repeatedly supported, but that tends to start all that noise up.

As for Egytian megaliths, I tend to favor the lost techniques and technologies theory.

Peter, I have only listened to him in his own words. I just gave my 72 Y.O. dad one of his books for fathers day. I have my dad's copy of "Late Great Planet Earth" by Hal --- hmmm cant recall last name right now and it's dark in here and turning on the light will get me wife whipped, so it will wait. lol

Randy, I do not see evolution by mutation as possible. I see selective breeding within species. I see survival of the fittest within kingdoms. I think the ancient writings, that gave a chrono for creation, correcty getting the order right with respect to the modern view of the fossil record should get some attention.

What if evolution is randomness PLUS teleology? It can be part of a willful design.

I don't believe unanswered questions about the universe make athiest's heads explode. I think that accepting what a book says without questioning it or the world around us is what makes their heads explode.

Randy H says

Remember that "science" is nothing more than a method.

Just like a human is nothing more than a collection of atoms. For a method, science is pretty fucking awesome. It's still mankind's greatest invention.

Wtf happen to this thread. It started off with a lame "god of the gaps" video that was easily refuted by atheists, and now it's talking about pyramids being programmed in .NET, alien's using technology to create life on Earth, and Pizza Hut. WTF?

Most off-topic thread ever.

One simple question: That video claims that both Christians and atheists believe in the law of cause and effect. Yet, for a Christian to believe such a thing, they would need to accept that their deity -- or any deity -- was the effect caused by some predecessor agent. Thus, assuming this video accurately represents Christian theology, there is no "unmoved mover" or "first cause?"

This contradicts what I've been led to believe on this matter, in all honesty. So, is the video in error in making that claim, or not?

Dan8267 says

Randy H says

Remember that "science" is nothing more than a method.

Just like a human is nothing more than a collection of atoms. For a method, science is pretty fucking awesome. It's still mankind's greatest invention.

Please don't mistake me. I think that science, as an iterative system of rational discovery and empirical thinking is man's greatest achievement in and of itself. As I said in that other thread that sent some other dude off the deep end, I'm an Objectivist.

Elwood P Dowd says

One simple question: That video claims that both Christians and atheists believe in the law of cause and effect. Yet, for a Christian to believe such a thing, they would need to accept that their deity -- or any deity -- was the effect caused by some predecessor agent. Thus, assuming this video accurately represents Christian theology, there is no "unmoved mover" or "first cause?"

This contradicts what I've been led to believe on this matter, in all honesty. So, is the video in error in making that claim, or not?

The Christian would claim that God by definition is an eternal and infinite being (unlike the universe) so isn't bound by this rule. Neat dodge, eh?

I am not sure that it is right to expect a Christian, or any other of God's followers, to know all of the exacting details concerning the existance of God. I am not saying it's like T.V, where a person can watch and enjoy it without understanding all of the parts and their funtions. But, it is kinda like that. Kinda.

Dan, we could change the thred name to "how to make Dan's head explode!" lol

Elwood P Dowd says

Yet, for a Christian to believe such a thing, they would need to accept that their deity -- or any deity -- was the effect caused by some predecessor agent.

Yep, let's all worship Supergod, who created Yahweh.

... and a car flys into the crowd off of turn 4 .....

so we are all 'blob's' here....

no reason one blob cannot come on to another blob. Sight unseen.

c'mon! this aint 1988....get with the program!!

Bap33 says

you must have missed the thred where I shared how silly it is to give personage to on-line posters. There is no sex, no male nor female, no race, no weight nor hight, and therefore there is no reason for a "come-on".

Let me demonstrate:

I am a 24 year old blonde female 36D / 28 / 32 who is famous in the porn industry

wait .. now I am a 46 year old negro male in prison for gang rape of a male corrections officer

no .. wait .. I am a 74 year old retired fireman that was second in line to go to the moon when I was in the Apollo program ...

see how it works? There is no sex, creed, color, or any personage other than letters on a screen. Hope that helps.

Good day.

besides, she's married, I'm married, and she doesn't really like my political views. But, she is nice.

I liked u better when u were 24...

Bap33 says

you must have missed the thred where I shared how silly it is to give personage to on-line posters. There is no sex, no male nor female, no race, no weight nor hight, and therefore there is no reason for a "come-on".

Let me demonstrate:

I am a 24 year old blonde female 36D / 28 / 32 who is famous in the porn industry

wait .. now I am a 46 year old negro male in prison for gang rape of a male corrections officer

no .. wait .. I am a 74 year old retired fireman that was second in line to go to the moon when I was in the Apollo program ...

see how it works? There is no sex, creed, color, or any personage other than letters on a screen. Hope that helps.

Good day.

besides, she's married, I'm married, and she doesn't really like my political views. But, she is nice.

lol ... dude, I was something to see that time ... at band camp ..

Bap33 says

lol ... dude, I was something to see that time ... at band camp ..

LOL.