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What if evolution is randomness PLUS teleology? It can be part of a willful design.

I don't believe unanswered questions about the universe make athiest's heads explode. I think that accepting what a book says without questioning it or the world around us is what makes their heads explode.

Randy H says

Remember that "science" is nothing more than a method.

Just like a human is nothing more than a collection of atoms. For a method, science is pretty fucking awesome. It's still mankind's greatest invention.

Wtf happen to this thread. It started off with a lame "god of the gaps" video that was easily refuted by atheists, and now it's talking about pyramids being programmed in .NET, alien's using technology to create life on Earth, and Pizza Hut. WTF?

Most off-topic thread ever.

One simple question: That video claims that both Christians and atheists believe in the law of cause and effect. Yet, for a Christian to believe such a thing, they would need to accept that their deity -- or any deity -- was the effect caused by some predecessor agent. Thus, assuming this video accurately represents Christian theology, there is no "unmoved mover" or "first cause?"

This contradicts what I've been led to believe on this matter, in all honesty. So, is the video in error in making that claim, or not?

Dan8267 says

Randy H says

Remember that "science" is nothing more than a method.

Just like a human is nothing more than a collection of atoms. For a method, science is pretty fucking awesome. It's still mankind's greatest invention.

Please don't mistake me. I think that science, as an iterative system of rational discovery and empirical thinking is man's greatest achievement in and of itself. As I said in that other thread that sent some other dude off the deep end, I'm an Objectivist.

Elwood P Dowd says

One simple question: That video claims that both Christians and atheists believe in the law of cause and effect. Yet, for a Christian to believe such a thing, they would need to accept that their deity -- or any deity -- was the effect caused by some predecessor agent. Thus, assuming this video accurately represents Christian theology, there is no "unmoved mover" or "first cause?"

This contradicts what I've been led to believe on this matter, in all honesty. So, is the video in error in making that claim, or not?

The Christian would claim that God by definition is an eternal and infinite being (unlike the universe) so isn't bound by this rule. Neat dodge, eh?

I am not sure that it is right to expect a Christian, or any other of God's followers, to know all of the exacting details concerning the existance of God. I am not saying it's like T.V, where a person can watch and enjoy it without understanding all of the parts and their funtions. But, it is kinda like that. Kinda.

Dan, we could change the thred name to "how to make Dan's head explode!" lol

Elwood P Dowd says

Yet, for a Christian to believe such a thing, they would need to accept that their deity -- or any deity -- was the effect caused by some predecessor agent.

Yep, let's all worship Supergod, who created Yahweh.

... and a car flys into the crowd off of turn 4 .....

so we are all 'blob's' here....

no reason one blob cannot come on to another blob. Sight unseen.

c'mon! this aint 1988....get with the program!!

Bap33 says

you must have missed the thred where I shared how silly it is to give personage to on-line posters. There is no sex, no male nor female, no race, no weight nor hight, and therefore there is no reason for a "come-on".

Let me demonstrate:

I am a 24 year old blonde female 36D / 28 / 32 who is famous in the porn industry

wait .. now I am a 46 year old negro male in prison for gang rape of a male corrections officer

no .. wait .. I am a 74 year old retired fireman that was second in line to go to the moon when I was in the Apollo program ...

see how it works? There is no sex, creed, color, or any personage other than letters on a screen. Hope that helps.

Good day.

besides, she's married, I'm married, and she doesn't really like my political views. But, she is nice.

I liked u better when u were 24...

Bap33 says

you must have missed the thred where I shared how silly it is to give personage to on-line posters. There is no sex, no male nor female, no race, no weight nor hight, and therefore there is no reason for a "come-on".

Let me demonstrate:

I am a 24 year old blonde female 36D / 28 / 32 who is famous in the porn industry

wait .. now I am a 46 year old negro male in prison for gang rape of a male corrections officer

no .. wait .. I am a 74 year old retired fireman that was second in line to go to the moon when I was in the Apollo program ...

see how it works? There is no sex, creed, color, or any personage other than letters on a screen. Hope that helps.

Good day.

besides, she's married, I'm married, and she doesn't really like my political views. But, she is nice.

lol ... dude, I was something to see that time ... at band camp ..

Bap33 says

lol ... dude, I was something to see that time ... at band camp ..

LOL.