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freak80 says

But remember, Arizona is an evil place filled with racial profiling! ;-)

One of the reasons I have considered the place.

The beaches in California are a joke--over-parked, over crowded, sand quality is like rocks, water is too cold. If you surf, CA beaches might be great.

I've spent a lot of time in Henderson. It's okay; I don't think anybody would suffer there. But it is very much a second-rate suburbia that reminds me of a lot of suburbs I've been through that had poorly cared for landscaping, dirty streets, and empty commercial lots between strip plazas.

There's a strip on East Sunset over by Green Valley Pkwy that has some representative depressing suburban dining choices. . . .

California is a shithole. Unfortunately, it's the shithole with all the major IT companies except Microsoft. Florida's IT industry sucks. There's no company of the caliber of Google down here and no reason for such a company to move down here. If you're good at software development, you're a big fish in a very little pond.

Still, even the lure of Silicon Valley isn't enough to get me to move to that cesspool of dirty hippies, inbred cowboys, Paris Hilton wannabes, and Jersey Shore rejects. Let a hungry Carpathian long-haired she-wolf blow your dick, California! Suck butter from my ass!

Philistine says

The beaches in California are a joke--over-parked, over crowded, sand quality is like rocks, water is too cold. If you surf, CA beaches might be great.

Yes, this is very true about California beaches they are very overrated they are just dreary gray cold shite sand land cutoffs. Frankly the beaches of Florida are some of the best in the world. Unfortunately, it isn't what it once was I would rather be on them 30 years ago than today.

Dan8267 says

California is a shithole. Unfortunately, it's the shithole with all the major IT companies except Microsoft. Florida's IT industry sucks. There's no company of the caliber of Google down here and no reason for such a company to move down here. If you're good at software development, you're a big fish in a very little pond.

Still, even the lure of Silicon Valley isn't enough to get me to move to that cesspool of dirty hippies, inbred cowboys, Paris Hilton wannabes, and Jersey Shore rejects. Let a hungry Carpathian long-haired she-wolf blow your dick, California! Suck butter from my ass!

How do we spell Digital Domain? I hope that isn't an indication of what Florida IT is about.

Reader says

The beaches in California are a joke--over-parked, over crowded, sand quality is like rocks, water is too cold. If you surf, CA beaches might be great.

Yes, this is very true about California beaches they are very overrated they are just dreary gray cold shite sand land cutoffs. Frankly the beaches of Florida are some of the best in the world. Unfortunately, it isn't what it once was I would rather be on them 30 years ago than today.

It's pretty obvious you haven't traveled the coast.

Both of those statements were just stupid (except for the water is cold part).

Reader says

Yes, South Florida is THE Southern CA of the East Coast.

If it parallels SoCal then you should buy Real Estate there right?

joshuatrio says

Reader says

The beaches in California are a joke--over-parked, over crowded, sand quality is like rocks, water is too cold. If you surf, CA beaches might be great.

Yes, this is very true about California beaches they are very overrated they are just dreary gray cold shite sand land cutoffs. Frankly the beaches of Florida are some of the best in the world. Unfortunately, it isn't what it once was I would rather be on them 30 years ago than today.

It's pretty obvious you haven't traveled the coast.

Both of those statements were just stupid (except for the water is cold part).

I see and you are the arbiter of all that is stupid?

I've lived in both, my family has owned property in both. I know what I have seen. Have you driven the coast of both? I have.

Michael Cooke says

Reader says

Yes, South Florida is THE Southern CA of the East Coast.

If it parallels SoCal then you should buy Real Estate there right?

I wouldn't buy in FL anymore than CA.

Reader says

I see and you are the arbiter of all that is stupid?

I've lived in both, my family has owned property in both. I know what I have seen. Have you driven the coast of both? I have.

Yes I have. Spent a considerable amount of time in FL with family in Miami and West Palm, and have been out west for almost 5 years.

Sure, SoCal is a cesspool, but the coastline and beaches beyond LA going North are gorgeous.

bgamall4 says

I hate Texas politics. I don't know if I could live in the same state where George W Bush lives.

or where they killed the last president of our republic and got away with it!

joshuatrio says

Reader says

I see and you are the arbiter of all that is stupid?

I've lived in both, my family has owned property in both. I know what I have seen. Have you driven the coast of both? I have.

Yes I have. Spent a considerable amount of time in FL with family in Miami and West Palm, and have been out west for almost 5 years.

Sure, SoCal is a cesspool, but the coastline and beaches beyond LA going North are gorgeous.

Agreed.

Reader says

How do we spell Digital Domain? I hope that isn't an indication of what Florida IT is about.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/business/Can-West-Palm-Beach-keep-tent-site/nSQQf/

The sad thing about south Florida is that there are too few IT firms and the ones there are of low quality, so many competent developers leave, and then the firms that are there can't find competent people, so they scale back and outsource, so more competent people leave. It's a vicious cycle that started in 2001 with the Dot Com bust.

I'm one of the lucky ones. I've been contracting well in the area, but I know a lot of people who have been out of work for more than a year, and a few that haven't done IT in several years and think they are in forced early retirement. Age discrimination runs rampant in IT here. If you're in your fifties, forget about finding a job as a developer. And if you've been out of work for more than a month, no one is going to hire you because they think you must be bad if no one else did. It ends up terminating people's career if they have one bad streak.

It's really a shame because things were so different in the 1990s. Everyone was optimistic and excited about building the Internet and making the world a better place by making information flow freely and giving every person a voice. Now everyone is paranoid and depressed, and office politics rules every company. Low level managers are deathly afraid of being outshined by their subordinates so innovation is rarely welcomed.

Dan8267 says

It's really a shame because things were so different in the 1990s. Everyone was optimistic and excited about building the Internet and making the world a better place by making information flow freely and giving every person a voice. Now everyone is paranoid and depressed, and office politics rules every company. Low level managers are deathly afraid of being outshined by their subordinates so innovation is rarely welcomed.

I know someone in IT who is in FL and yes that is what he says too. But that applies to most companies today. The problem I find is that there are too many low level managers who really need to be let go. Corporations especially have taken on too many so-called managers most of whom could not find their ass with both hands.

Let the shite hit the fan let the chips fall where they may. In all the strongest survive that is all you need to remember at the end of the day that is the Truth.

I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area in the 1960s and my family fled for Carson City, Nevada, in 1972, for all the reasons the disenchanted former Californians above are giving. I returned in 2007 and have lived in southern California ever since. This state has not changed as much as you might think; the drawbacks and the benefits are much the same as they were forty years ago, except for the horrendous state budget (hardly unique to California), and the strains involved in adjusting to a large immigrant population.

Philistine says

sand quality is like rocks, water is too cold.

Sounds like Lake Erie. Except saltier.

freak80 says

Philistine says

sand quality is like rocks, water is too cold.

Sounds like Lake Erie. Except saltier.

LOL

NO no visually there are parts of coastal CA that are stunning especially around Pebble Beach.

johndavis says

the drawbacks and the benefits are much the same as they were forty years ago, except for the horrendous state budget (hardly unique to California), and the strains involved in adjusting to a large immigrant population.

Those are horrendous and major drawbacks to what CA once was.

Reader says

visually there are parts of coastal CA that are stunning

Absolutely.

I want to drive the Pacific Coast Highway at some point.

Reader says

there are too many low level managers who really need to be let go.

Any good developer doesn't need to be managed. A person becomes a good software developer by loving programming, design, and architecture. Such a person doesn't need to be threatened with a whip to perform. He's self-motivated.

What he needs is the freedom to do the job the best way even if it means not taking shortcuts. Cutting corners always bites you in the ass later on.

I wish home builders had as much concern about quality and customer satisfaction that good developers have.

Reader says

freak80 says

Philistine says

sand quality is like rocks, water is too cold.

Sounds like Lake Erie. Except saltier.

LOL

NO no visually there are parts of coastal CA that are stunning especially around Pebble Beach.

Again, it depends where you're at.

Pebble is beautiful yes, the Ocean bottom (Carmel area) is a white, powder sandy bottom. Ghost trees is much rockier.

If you go more into the Monterey Bay, it's a more coarse tan sand. Head up to Santa Cruz and it's a rock bottom, with giant slabs of rock under neath your feet all the way out into the bay. Which is why the surf is so consistent.

Dan8267 says

Reader says

there are too many low level managers who really need to be let go.

Any good developer doesn't need to be managed. A person becomes a good software developer by loving programming, design, and architecture. Such a person doesn't need to be threatened with a whip to perform. He's self-motivated.

What he needs is the freedom to do the job the best way even if it means not taking shortcuts. Cutting corners always bites you in the ass later on.

I wish home builders had as much concern about quality and customer satisfaction that good developers have.

I cannot disagree one bit. Again, these firms need to 1. Cut gross overpayment to executives. 2. Let the smart people do their thing especially IT without some stupid bitch accountant or business graduate who doesn't know a computer from a can of hairspray trying to "manage" them.

Reader says

Let the smart people do their thing especially IT without some stupid bitch accountant or business graduate who doesn't know a computer from a can of hairspray trying to "manage" them.

Why do you hate America? ;-)

Reader says

First Amendment Rights are the famous Democratic cry and strong hold but in all honesty they do apply to all. Don't throw her into my mix. I would speak my mind civil rights or not.
I don't speak due to my civil rights I speak as a man who isn't going to be manipulated or pulled into shite.

You were the one making a deal about it being a free country, when I pointed out something different. That is classic Sarah Palin. First amendment means-both of us get to speak our minds-not just you.

lostand confused says

You were the one making a deal about it being a free country, when I pointed out something different. That is classic Sarah Palin. First amendment means-both of us get to speak our minds-not just you.

But your speech is Hate Speech. Why? Because I said so, that's why.

johndavis says

the drawbacks and the benefits are much the same as they were forty years ago, except for the horrendous state budget (hardly unique to California), and the strains involved in adjusting to a large immigrant population.

Isn't unemployment in CA higher (in relative terms) when compared to 40 years ago?

lostand confused says

Reader says

First Amendment Rights are the famous Democratic cry and strong hold but in all honesty they do apply to all. Don't throw her into my mix. I would speak my mind civil rights or not.

I don't speak due to my civil rights I speak as a man who isn't going to be manipulated or pulled into shite.

You were the one making a deal about it being a free country, when I pointed out something different. That is classic Sarah Palin. First amendment means-both of us get to speak our minds-not just you.

I see NOW, you are one of those who do the famous didactic routine typical of your kind.

What is this Act One? Or Two?

freak80 says

Absolutely.
I want to drive the Pacific Coast Highway at some point

It's beautiful. Socal section is different , populated. Then it merges witht he 101 and then separates again. I personally prefer the Highway one of Sonoma coast and Mendocino, before it curves back into the 101. Lot less crowded. on a weekeday, you cna have all the beach to yourself.

But anywhere north of Santa barbara, the wind starts. But I love the varying terrain. Nothing beats looking down the ocean from a 1000ft above and watching the ships go by or the little cars driving by in PCH.

freak80 says

Reader says

Let the smart people do their thing especially IT without some stupid bitch accountant or business graduate who doesn't know a computer from a can of hairspray trying to "manage" them.

Why do you hate America? ;-)

I also see change I don't and will never believe in or accept. And I'll reject anyone trying to make it Communist Russia or some Third World hellhole at the expense of my back or wallet.

Reader says

I see NOW, you are one of those who do the famous didactic routine typical of your kind.
What is this Act One? Or Two?

LOL!! yeah, yeah-you bring up this being a free country and you can speak whatever you want-when no one asks you top be quiet. Then you are having fits when somenone questions you-amusing.

lostand confused says

LOL!! yeah, yeah-you bring up this being a free country and you cna speak whatever you wnat-when no one asks you top be quiet. Then you are having fits when somenone questions you-amusing.

But your speech is Hate Speech. Why? Because it disagrees with my politics, that's why.

Respect my authoritah.

lostand confused says

Reader says

I see NOW, you are one of those who do the famous didactic routine typical of your kind.

What is this Act One? Or Two?

LOL!! yeah, yeah-you bring up this being a free country and you can speak whatever you want-when no one asks you top be quiet. Then you are having fits when somenone questions you-amusing.

I am on to you now. There is no response. But don't try your didactic games with me they don't work.

freak80 says

But remember, Arizona is an evil place filled with racial profiling! ;-)

Well, there is a reason Arizona, especially Phoenix , are cheaper than dirt. And it ain't racial profiling.

FortWayne says

freak80 says

But remember, Arizona is an evil place filled with racial profiling! ;-)

Well, there is a reason Arizona, especially Phoenix , are cheaper than dirt. And it ain't racial profiling.

Freedom 1789-2012

Well, that is gravy.

I'm technically not part of the "middle" class of California from an income perspective, but I've thought of moving elsewhere (even out of country) more times than I can remember doing so than in previous years.

I'm just not convinced Governor Brown can do enough to turn this train wreck around. Obama has shown that he's ready to allow the FED to turn our dollars into the Congolese franc. We've become a country of welfare shiesters.

Reader says

Again, these firms need to 1. Cut gross overpayment to executives. 2. Let the smart people do their thing especially IT without some stupid bitch accountant or business graduate who doesn't know a computer from a can of hairspray trying to "manage" them.

Reader

sounds like a short laundry list of what can be done to improve the the US of A overall!

Goran_K says

Obama has shown that he's ready to allow the FED to turn our dollars into the Congolese franc.

He'll have to if CA goes bankrupt. Or is CA already bankrupt? I don't remember.

NY state isn't much better. Most of our "income" comes from taxes on the Jive-Finance sector down state.

freak80 says

Most of our "income" comes from taxes on the Jive-Finance sector down state.

FACT.

freak80 says

He'll have to if CA goes bankrupt. Or is CA already bankrupt? I don't remember.

NY state isn't much better. Most of our "income" comes from taxes on the Jive-Finance sector down state.

California is bankrupt for all intents and purposes under an enormous $167+ billion wall of debt. Government pension plans, welfare programs, and other compensation to state workers are literally crushing this state into cannibal anarchy.

Governor Brown is trying to push a bill to RAISE taxes and create $50 billion dollars of revenue over the next 7 years, as if taxes in CA weren't crushing enough. To make matters worse, this is like throwing a cup of water onto a raging building fire.

I honestly would have left California already if it weren't for so much of my business interest concentrated here in SoCal, and the SF Bay Area.

Goran_K says

California is bankrupt for all intents and purposes under an enormous $167+ billion wall of debt. Government pension plans, welfare programs, and other compensation to state workers are literally crushing this state into cannibal anarchy.

Jeez, and anyone need ask why some of us say stay the hell away from there?!