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2012 Oct 14, 3:58pm   342,922 views  375 comments

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121   Bigsby   2013 Aug 6, 7:14am  

Bap33 says

humor is not your strong point is it Bigsby?

Nor yours or bgamal's apparently.

122   Bigsby   2013 Aug 6, 7:15am  

bgamall4 says

That loose change video pretty much sums it up.

That is presumably the humour Bap was referring to.

123   tatupu70   2013 Aug 16, 5:06am  

bgamall4 says

Then explain why, when confronted with the accusation and the RNC view, did W break down and cry rather than stand up for himself?

Could you point me to a video or link to W. crying after being confronted with that question?

124   Bigsby   2013 Aug 16, 5:34am  

bgamall4 says

Bap33 says

humor is not your strong point is it Bigsby?

A man both incapable of humor and incapable of seeing that the WTC collapses were planned is a man without a brain.

At least the stupidity of all your posts gives me a good laugh.

125   monkframe   2013 Aug 16, 12:14pm  

Say hi to the NSA watchers gathering your data!

126   monkframe   2013 Aug 16, 1:01pm  

The NSA has been exposed by Mr. Snowden for the out-of-control, fascistic organization that it is. Thousands of violations of their own statutes, secret courts declaring their actions unconstitutional, it doesn't matter - they watch you.

127   Bigsby   2013 Aug 18, 7:31pm  

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

At least the stupidity of all your posts gives me a good laugh.

So, you are saying Howard Dean was not in a position to know if 9/11 was a false flag based on his position within the Democratic Party? You are smarter than Howard Dean? Come on Bigsby.

Who is wearing the tin foil hat now? YOU are.

You could make a conspiracy out of one man ordering a beer. Is retirement really so boring?

128   tatupu70   2013 Aug 18, 11:34pm  

bgamall4 says

Then explain why, when confronted with the accusation and the RNC view, did W
break down and cry rather than stand up for himself?


Wake up.

I watched the clip and although I'm no fan of W., I would strongly disagree with your characterization of his reaction to the question. He seemed to be disgusted with the suggestion and had to restrain himself from answering in the manner he would have liked.

129   Bap33   2013 Aug 18, 11:52pm  

...... not that there's anything wrong with that ....

130   tatupu70   2013 Aug 19, 2:41am  

The Professor says

You should look at the evidence or find some evidence that refutes the
obvious evidence of intentional demolition of the three towers.

Do you even realize how ridiculous this statement is?

131   tatupu70   2013 Aug 19, 2:49am  

The Professor says

I will look at your response when I get back from a hike with my dog

Enjoy your hike!

It's ridiculous because there is pretty strong evidence that two jets flew into the twin towers. Let's begin there.

132   tatupu70   2013 Aug 19, 2:51am  

The Professor says

All of you deniers that reject the evidence of planned demolition without
looking at it are as ignorant as the people that believed the Spanish sunk the
Maine and the Vietnamese attacked our fleet at the Gulf of Tonkin.

Nope. We looked the theories and dismissed them because they don't fit the facts. That's how science works.

133   Bap33   2013 Aug 19, 3:36am  

tatupu70 says

We looked the theories and dismissed them because they don't fit the facts.
That's how science works.

yep ... unless the subject is global warming, abortion, or male/male sodomite disease spreading ... on those subjects the science and facts are not well received. Wouldn't you agree?

I think two planes hit two towers. I also happen to think they were controlled remotely and/or were locked into their contact points in advance .. like a GPS type of thing or lazor guided. OBL didn't do it.

Same with the pentagon hit. Remote flight and/or locked target.

The one that crashed in the field may have been dropped by a USAF missile.

The one that crashed a week later over the ocean may have been hit by a SAM. Not sure.

I just look at the plan-view and wonder about building 7, and the foot print that the big buildings dropped into is pretty interesting. I'm not a conspericy guy. Clinton is the reason we got attacked.

134   tatupu70   2013 Aug 19, 4:46am  

bgamall4 says

What is scientific is that white smoke was everywhere and that is what happens
in a demolition

See--that's what I'm talking about. Getting from "white smoke" to "controlled demolition" is a VERY long road, but you make it sound like it's obvious.

135   tatupu70   2013 Aug 19, 4:48am  

Bap33 says

unless the subject is global warming, abortion, or male/male sodomite disease
spreading ... on those subjects the science and facts are not well received.
Wouldn't you agree?

No, I would not. I don't think you understand the difference between fact and opinion.

Bap33 says

I think two planes hit two towers. I also happen to think they were
controlled remotely and/or were locked into their contact points in advance ..
like a GPS type of thing or lazor guided. OBL didn't do it.


Same with the pentagon hit. Remote flight and/or locked target.


The one that crashed in the field may have been dropped by a USAF missile

And your factual basis for this theory is?

Bap33 says

I'm not a conspericy guy.

lol.

136   Bigsby   2013 Aug 19, 6:20am  

The Professor says

tatupu70 says

It's ridiculous

You deniers have three basic arguments:

1.) "You are a ridiculous stupid conspiracy theorist."

2.) "The towers could not have been demolished as it would have left evidence and too many people would have to have kept quiet."

3.) "By questioning the official story you are dishonoring the victims."

You seem to have forgotten (or rather very conveniently ignored) all the actual experts who disagree with you. But hey, you and Bgamall obviously know better...

137   tatupu70   2013 Aug 19, 8:19am  

bgamall4 says

Yeah, that is tin foil to think three fell with progressive collapse when it has not happened before or after. They take us as fools prof. They are evil in their intent.

OK--could you detail all the other times jet planes flew into skyscrapers of the same design as the twin towers?

Because otherwise, this is a unique event and lack of a comparable is not surprising.

138   tatupu70   2013 Aug 19, 8:21am  

The Professor says

You deniers have three basic arguments:

1.) "You are a ridiculous stupid conspiracy theorist."

2.) "The towers could not have been demolished as it would have left evidence and too many people would have to have kept quiet."

3.) "By questioning the official story you are dishonoring the victims."

I don't recall using any of those arguments. I've yet to see a compelling version of what DID happen. Only vague criticisms of the official version. NEVER a similar explanation involving controlled demolition or laser guided planes, etc. If I'm wrong, please point me in the direction of the real story....

139   tatupu70   2013 Aug 19, 8:21am  

bgamall4 says

WTC7 is the factual basis for debunking the debunkers. They have no answer for WTC7. None. They never will.

No, they do. You just don't like it.

140   tatupu70   2013 Aug 19, 8:23am  

bgamall4 says

I have looked at hundreds of pictures of demolitions and the smoke just looks like 9/11.

And that passes for science in your mind? The smoke from 9/11 looked similar to smoke from controlled demolitions that you've seen?

I'm speechless.

141   socal2   2013 Aug 19, 8:33am  

Bap33 says

I think two planes hit two towers. I also happen to think they were controlled
remotely and/or were locked into their contact points in advance .. like a GPS
type of thing or lazor guided. OBL didn't do it.

And what about all those phone conversations between the doomed passengers and their loved ones who witnessed the 9/11 terrorists kill people on the plane and take over the cockpits?

All that shit faked too? Were the families and their answering machine recordings all part of the big conspiracy?

At what point do these conspiracy theories just collapse under their own weight and complexity?

142   Bigsby   2013 Aug 19, 11:58am  

The Professor says

Bigsby says

all the actual experts who disagree with you.

You've talked about the experts but never linked to them. You say you don't want to waste your time.

There are no "progressive collapse" experts that have not been debunked.

Complete and utter bullshit. You originally came to this discussion stating that you were open minded about what happened (complete nonsense of course) and then proceeded to reel off one ridiculous video after another. If you can find those, then I think you can find the numerous threads that you and Bgamall have started and where people have posted the information you claim you want to see (but which you will simply disregard because it doesn't align with your narrative). You can also use the rest of the internet. It's all a waste of time of course, because you've already made up your mind and are simply happy to lap up the most ludicrous of conspiracy nonsense. Fine, if that's what you want to do, then good for you, but why do you have to keep peddling the same old nonsense over and over again? Yes, we know what you think. Yes, we've seen your stupid videos, compiled by equally vapid individuals. And yes, we all know you have no scientific knowledge, but are completely happy to dismiss those that do because, well because you think you know better... think being the operative word.

143   Bigsby   2013 Aug 19, 12:00pm  

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

You seem to have forgotten (or rather very conveniently ignored) all the actual experts who disagree with you. But hey, you and Bgamall obviously know better...

They have either been threatened or they gain financially from what they do. They are not putting forth real science.

Where's the facepalm smilie when you need it?

144   Bigsby   2013 Aug 19, 12:01pm  

bgamall4 says

tatupu70 says

OK--could you detail all the other times jet planes flew into skyscrapers of the same design as the twin towers?

Because otherwise, this is a unique event and lack of a comparable is not surprising.

But the smoke from detonation was the same. However, the smoke from the planes was black. Look at the picture here that says soot:

http://rense.com/general75/thrm.htm

An infant can see the difference in the smoke(s).

How do you know what the smoke from silent detonations looks like?

145   Bigsby   2013 Aug 19, 1:19pm  

The Professor says

Bigsby says

Complete and utter bullshit.

So you still have nothing but insult?

Thank you for your contribution.

Er, your views require zero respect, and you know fine well where to look as I stated in the rest of the post you chose not to include.

146   Bap33   2013 Aug 19, 1:56pm  

socal2 says

And what about all those phone conversations between the doomed passengers
and their loved ones who witnessed the 9/11 terrorists kill people on the plane
and take over the cockpits?

no no, my post failed to say I did think the crazy arabs took over the cock-pit. I just happen to think the reason they were able to hit such a small target on the very first attempt could be due to a guidance system of some type. I am sorry, I can see from my post what you figured I meant, and that was not what I meant.

147   Bigsby   2013 Aug 19, 4:37pm  

The Professor says

Bigsby says

your views require zero respect

Thank you for your contribution to the debate.

You're welcome. I hope you come to your senses as there are plenty more important things to focus on than wasting your time concocting bullshit 9/11 conspiracies.

148   tatupu70   2013 Aug 20, 1:30am  

bgamall4 says

You are outnumbered here. Your tin foil ideas are so lame. You know the black
smoke of the planes and the white smoke of detonation are easily identifiable.
You are lame and tin foil.

You do realize that a fire in the twin towers might produce both black and white smoke, right? Jet fuel was burning, but so were a LOT of other things in the building...

149   Bap33   2013 Aug 20, 1:44am  

Jet fuel would not be burning if it all was spent in the first mili-second. Not that it matters to your point. Oil, hydrolic fluid, and other lube type fluids could be burning, but I doubt the jet fuel was still around .... unless there was just an itty bitty leak in the fuel tank and it dripped onto a lit fire. Otherwise, it exploded on impact and that was that. No more jet fuel. Right?

150   Tenpoundbass   2013 Aug 20, 3:54am  

Well why don't we get the myth busters to fly a plane into the Willis tower and see if the same thing happens?

It could serve two purposes, it would solve the mystery about how the towers collapsed, and it would clean up Chicago a little bit.

151   tatupu70   2013 Aug 20, 6:08am  

bgamall4 says

Anything burning that was not thermite related was black smoke.

How in the world did you come to that conclusion? Last I checked, burning paper doesn't create black smoke.

152   tatupu70   2013 Aug 20, 6:10am  

bgamall4 says

Which is why the NIST waited years to post an explanation for it, because
they had no real explanation for it.

And, like I've said before, unusual things happen all the time. Doesn't mean there's a conspiracy involved. Since planes don't fly into skyscrapers every day, it stands to reason that it make take a bit longer to analyze the events.

153   tatupu70   2013 Aug 27, 9:34am  

bgamall4 says

We do know the NIST model is not valid because it doesn't look like the building
falling at all.

Again--you've got to be kidding. It must be wrong because it "doesn't look right"?

154   deepcgi   2013 Aug 27, 9:46am  

There is no reason why the government couldn't release more information about 911. That is what I find odd. For example, we have one "video" of the aircraft hitting the pentagon, but no flight path shots. No video of the aircraft at ANYTIME during its approach from any camera anywhere. Or any of the other aircraft. We deserve to know where all of those planes were at every minute, as well as the positions of our intercepting aircraft, before and after. For national security purposes at this point is a ridiculous excuse. All of the emergency response measures have changed now.

Why leave out that info unless it at least shows negligence? That they could have done more and chose not or failed to.

155   curious2   2013 Aug 27, 10:13am  

deepcgi says

We deserve to know where all of those planes were at every minute, as well as the positions of our intercepting aircraft, before and after... Why leave out that info unless it at least shows negligence?

Have you filed a FOIA request? Flight paths were reported, including mistakes, e.g. two fighter interceptors went the wrong way and had to turn around, just as W's motorcade also went the wrong way and had to make a U-turn on a divided highway. They weren't omitted, though they may have been buried under a pile of patriotic homilies, just as PatNet seems at times to get buried under stupid conspiracy threads like this one. It's ludicrous to claim you "deserve to know" something that you obviously haven't taken the time to research. The job of commercial news is to sell products for advertisers, and to make money for network executives and owners; if you rely only on what you see there then you get what you deserve. If you want really to see the whole flight paths, then invest the time to find them, don't pump up a stupid conspiracy theory by pretending they were concealed.

The Professor says

"Progressive collapse" has never happened anywhere before or since 9/11.

Repeating that lie does not make it true, but your choice to keep pushing this thread up the PatNet index is among the stupidest and worst things you've done. It bothers me doubly because I count Einstein among my favorite heroes, and 9/11 among the worst tragedies I ever saw, and you've insulted both with your misguided quest for attention.

156   deepcgi   2013 Aug 27, 11:51am  

I am aware of what is public about the flights, and we do NOT have precise information - which is why I said it. In fact I worked on the official aircraft visual identification training system for the Department of Defence for several years.

157   Bigsby   2013 Aug 27, 12:18pm  

The Professor says

You're pushing it too.

My stated purpose is to educate or be educated.

You may state it, but you don't mean it.

158   Robert Sproul   2013 Aug 27, 12:38pm  

curious2 says

a stupid conspiracy theory

c2- Here is what I think fuels all this bullshit. The government lies pathologically. The FBI lies when the truth would be easier and make them look better. They lie mostly to hide, not a nefarious criminal conspiracy, but a kind of greedy self serving ineptitude.
The Warren Commission never set out to honestly investigate, and hence people are trying to make sense of those events to this day.
The 911 commission was not rigorous investigatory body, it was a Historical Narrative Committee.
if you ever have time, listen to what Jesse Trentadeau says about the Oklahoma bombing. (He is the attorney whose brother was killed in an interrogation gone bad. He is a very poor speaker, unfortunately, but I believe he is completely credible)
He describes the kind of conspiracy that I believe in, a conspiracy to hide and deny prior knowledge, and cover up institutional ineptitude.
Think about the Pat Tillman story.
They lied their faces off in a butt-covering-frenzy about Waco and Ruby Ridge and so those will remain Unsolved Mysteries for some people.
When these people know they are not being told the truth they have no way of knowing how far the lie extends.
I feel sorry for them.

159   Bigsby   2013 Aug 27, 12:55pm  

The Professor says

Bigsby says

You may state it, but you don't mean it.

For you Bigs; a diagram illustrating the official story of how the twin towers collapsed.

And there is a man who claims he wants to be educated.

160   curious2   2013 Aug 27, 1:31pm  

The Professor says

Please link to evidence of progressive collapse in towers other than the three WTC Towers on 9/11

http://www.nhregister.com/general-news/20120423/bridgeport-marks-25th-anniversary-of-lambiance-plaza-collapse-photo-gallery

http://nymag.com/news/9-11/10th-anniversary/towers-collapse/

Robert Sproul says

Think about the Pat Tillman story.

The late Pat Tillman, and his mom, should both be counted as American heroes. That example and others justify skepticism of official stories, especially from a unitary chain of command. Usually such stories come to light because genuinely interested parties, in that instance the late Pat Tillman's mom, have a genuine interest in finding the truth. They do not excuse "Professor" dirtbag trying to make hay out of others' pain.

The Professor says

You're pushing it too.

I'm done. You're on ignore. You'll have to find some way to live with yourself without further enabling from me.

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