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It doesn't matter. Behavior is a manifestation of the mind.

Controlling behavior does not go very far, because the mind can find another way.

Peter P says

Gun control did not stop that guy in Norway.

We have a humanity crisis here.

121212 says

was that in this country?

stop detracting. that was political this is not.

Nuff said, this guys berqa clearly doesn't go all the way down to the ground.

Bellingham Bill says

As a point of fact, the Norway shooter acquired his guns legally in Norway.

That is not "gun control".

The gun laws in Norway are less restrictive than most European countries, but MUCH, MUCH, MUCH stricter than anything that would ever be acceptable here.

Bellingham Bill says

Norway is safer because they are a fantastically wealthy nation.

Well, that's your interpretation. I see countries with stricter gun laws and less violence, and I happen to think there is a connection. A causal connection. And I see a lot of people here in the US with creepy gun fetishes that just don't want to believe it.

bdrasin says

I see countries with stricter gun laws and less violence, and I happen to think there is a connection

Sure, I don't deny that. There's a basic rate of street crime, which availability of concealable guns increases.

Then there's these mass shooting incidents, which have nothing to do with street crime at all, and gun control cannot address unless we actually restrict hunting and recreational firearms drastically.

The Tides shooter from a couple of years back is a good example of gun control working. This nut had firearms he could legally acquire, but couldn't outgun the CHP since they weren't of "assault" variety.

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Alleged-gunman-says-he-wanted-a-revolution-3180744.php

The fact is, it's much easier to pull the trigger of a gun and close your eyes like a coward... then it is to stab and kill someone.

Both are sick individuals.. but the one stabbing people can be stopped much easier and quicker. I always wonder why the death counts are so low with guns... I'm curious if around the 28th person dead the gunman starts to feel remorse.

Or if they just run out of ammo... Personally i think it's the semi-automatic and automatic weapon reform is what we need. If the guy had to actually RELOAD his gun.. it would atleast give people time to tackle him.

Pipe bombs and such are another matter altogether.. and i sadly suspect the day any ban on semi-automatic weapons occurs.. some whack-job gun nut will pull a large scale Timothy McVeigh bombing just to prove a point.

If and when actually criminals.. not lone-gunman lunatics.. start committing mass shootings.. then we can talk about reversing the semi-automatic laws. How bout we pass a gun law... with an out clause.. where if everything the NRA fears will happen.. starts happening.. then we revert back to the way things were.

Guns are evil when used against innocent beings. In an ideal world, there would be no guns. That being said, guns are one of the only "powers" that the masses of people still have in America. Every other avenue of power is gone- economic, (job loss& foreclosure) political (corruption, lobbying by big $$) religious (hierarchical structure with masses at the bottom tithing the few dollars they have away). Although today is absolutely tragic, the remedy is not to take all the guns away from the people. Unfortunately, in this day and age, the people need guns to be able to defend themselves, just in case.

You need to uninvent guns, not to outlaw them.

Murder is already illegal.

Bellingham Bill says

bdrasin says

I see countries with stricter gun laws and less violence, and I happen to think there is a connection

Sure, I don't deny that. There's a basic rate of street crime, which availability of concealable guns increases.

Well, if you are ready to concede that strict gun control would in fact save lives then there's really nothing left to discuss on that...

Bellingham Bill says

Then there's these mass shooting incidents, which have nothing to do with street crime at all, and gun control cannot address unless we actually restrict hunting and recreational firearms drastically.

*gasp* restrict hunting and recreational firearms? Saving lives can't POSSIBLY be worth giving up something so important as recreational use of firearms!

As I've said, it will never happen. But it should.

Now there are reports that they identified the wrong man as the killer and it may have been his brother.

lostand confused says

Now there are reports that they identified the wrong man as the killer and it may have been his brother.

I think I'll just ignore all of the news and wait for a Frontline segment on the murder channel. After they've wrapped up all of the good juicy gory details. There's going to be 3D perspective animation!

CaptainShuddup says

Nuff said, this guys berqa clearly doesn't go all the way down to the ground.

I am a white Caucasian of European decent.

And you?

You evil bitch.

How high is your skirt you bitch!

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

The NRA needs to go to Connecticut and offer free assault weapon safety classes in maternity hospitals so that parents can get the kind of education they need to teach their kids to defend themselves against the inevitability of mass murderers descending upon their schools and playgrounds. It's not Free Americans fault that parents are irresponsible.

I never liked your sarcasm. Especially on days like this. You should find better ways of communicating.

leo707 says

CaptainShuddup says

121212 says

Stop already.

I tell you what pony up $100 to Patrick and I will stop posting for a week.

This offer is only good for Iatola 121212.

I will give Patrick $200 if you stop posting until the new year.

@CaptainShuddup

So, what is it going to be? Are you going to deny Patrick the money and deny us the pleasure of not hearing from you for a while? I need to know in the next hour because after that I may not be on Pnet again until Monday.

CaptainShuddup says

lostand confused says

Now there are reports that they identified the wrong man as the killer and it may have been his brother.

I think I'll just ignore all of the news and wait for a Frontline segment on the murder channel. After they've wrapped up all of the good juicy gory details. There's going to be 3D perspective animation!

Why don't you go jump in a hole and bury yourself. You opinions are a disgrace to this country.

Comprehensive gun control is required and further more psych evaluations should be made mandatory, prescription drug use should be monitored just like they give cops so they can carry guns.

Of course you have no response CptEvil or Shrek (call you crazy)

bdrasin says

Well, that's your interpretation. I see countries with stricter gun laws and less violence, and I happen to think there is a connection. A causal connection. And I see a lot of people here in the US with creepy gun fetishes that just don't want to believe it.

Gun availability/violence link is not that simple. For instance, in mexico, gun ownership is officially illegal. Yet there's a lot of violence in that country that's fueled by drug cartels. Cuidad Juarez is basically a warzone. Also, while in europe gun ownership is much stricter than here, it does not mean at all that people are safe. For example, there are neighborhoods where you have teenage and young adult thugs (ahem "disaffected youth") that terrorize the passerbies, beat them, steal etc. Sure having gun control would mean that sensationalized violence such as school, movie theater shootings would be reduced but it does not mean that society would be safer overall. There needs to be a balance, a delicate balance that is tough to find where we find the most aggregate safety at the least overall aggregate cost. I don't believe that banning guns will accomplish this. We need to have a situation where a potential criminal will have seeds of doubt in their mind before they committ a violent act that a potential victim may be armed. I remember in oakland 2 or 3 summers back there were businesses that were robbed almost every day. I thought that the only way this would end would be when one of these punk motherfuckers would be shot do death. And that's exactly what happened. A couple of these guys tried to hold up a jewerly store and one of them got popped. All of a sudden the epidemic stopped.

That and also, this phenomenon of mass shootings seems to be somewhat new. While going postal has been part of our lexicon, after Columbine - it has accelerated. There are so many frigging mass shootings in all sorts of states -I really don't know why.

It is almost like you can't go a month or two without hearing of a mass shooting. If this had happened in a mall with adults, this would not even have garnered this much publicity. Really sad.

I blame guns, ban them, especially automatic guns. limit the ammo.
regular psych evals and drug tests regularly to owner. if you own a gun then you agree to have your mental abilities tested and monitored.

If you own multiple guns then even stronger rules should be applied.

121212 says

I blame guns, ban them, especially automatic guns. limit the ammo.

regular psych evals and drug tests regularly to owner. if you own a gun then you agree to have your mental abilities tested and monitored.

If you own multiple guns then even stronger rules should be applied.

This is just more liberal naive from you. Way more people die in car accidents, ban cars too. And if you own an SUV stronger rules should apply.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. And it happens a lot less when economy is not going down the toilet like it is in the Obama lets raise taxes on the wealthy and everyone else nation.

And stupid liberal media, which seems to give these thugs way too much attention is probably just aggravating the problem.

FortWayne says

And it happens a lot less when economy is not going down the toilet like it is in the Obama lets raise taxes on the wealthy and everyone else nation.

Blaming this on the prez especially when there's no evidence to support this assertion is inappropriate given the circumstances. Also, from what I recall, tim mcveigh and columbine fools committed their atrocities during a thriving economy.

No GUNS Kill PEOPLE!FortWayne says

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Only apologists make that argument.

FortWayne says

Way more people die in car accidents, ban cars too. An

Really your making this sorry comparison.

Your pathetic.

Disengenous, MUCH!.

Virtualy an entire class full of 1st graders was wiped out. Listen to yourselves, you make me sick.

FortWayne says

And stupid liberal media, which seems to give these thugs way too much attention is probably just aggravating the problem.

Unlike the Fox coverage of Benghazi right! Which you loved!

Giving the attention to whom? That's right Terrorists.

121212 says

No GUNS Kill PEOPLE!FortWayne says

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Only apologists make that argument.

Only free-will deniers make that argument.

Peter P says

121212 says

No GUNS Kill PEOPLE!FortWayne says

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Only apologists make that argument.

Only free-will deniers make that argument.

Bullshit. Guns kill people.

121212 says

Peter P says

121212 says

No GUNS Kill PEOPLE!FortWayne says

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Only apologists make that argument.

Only free-will deniers make that argument.

Bullshit. Guns kill people.

So do cars. Ban cars!

121212 says

Peter P says

121212 says

No GUNS Kill PEOPLE!FortWayne says

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Only apologists make that argument.

Only free-will deniers make that argument.

Bullshit. Guns kill people.

I'm sure you happy with Fox's coverage of Benghazi, right!

Pathetic R'pukes, they've already gone of the cliff. Comparing car accidents with mass murder of a class of 1st grader.

Disgusting rhetoric.

Peter P says

So do cars. Ban cars!

Shut up, have a heart for once.

Still no apology from CptEvil on politicizing these deaths from the first post onwards.
Your an evil son of bitch. Your daughters must be so proud of you.

I wonder if they know?

121212 says

Still no apology from CptEvil on politicizing these deaths from the first post onwards.

Your an evil son of bitch. Your daughters must be so proud of you.

I wonder if they know?

You are not any better.

Peter P says

121212 says

Still no apology from CptEvil on politicizing these deaths from the first post onwards.

Your an evil son of bitch. Your daughters must be so proud of you.

I wonder if they know?

You are not any better.

Bullshit. He is a vile hateful filth monger. If your backing him up your no better.

Not backing him up. But you are actually more annoying.

121212, has it ever occurred to you that the response Shuddup wants, the response that amuses him, is exactly the response you are making to his bs?

Anyway, the argument over guns laws will continue, but can we agree that this shit is fucked up:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/baPgr_tw79Q

He may not know it but he is no conservative, he is a fascist.

Enforcing current laws beats creating new ones.

Rooemore's avatar wins at least half the argument on its own right.

I can tolerate anti-social speech but politicizing the death of a class of 1st graders for CptEvil's sense of amusement is the definition of INSANITY!

Peter P says

Not backing him up. But you are actually more annoying.

Then fuck off.

121212 says

I can tolerate anti-social speech but politicizing the death of a class of 1st graders for CptEvil's sense of amusement is the definition of INSANITY!

You are the one politicizing it now.

Peter P says

121212 says

I can tolerate anti-social speech but politicizing the death of a class of 1st graders for CptEvil's sense of amusement is the definition of INSANITY!

You are the one politicizing it now.

and mitt romney won the election!

these aren't the droids your looking for

get lost Troll

Chris Rock weighs in:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/OuX-nFmL0II