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bdrasin says

Well, that's your interpretation. I see countries with stricter gun laws and less violence, and I happen to think there is a connection. A causal connection. And I see a lot of people here in the US with creepy gun fetishes that just don't want to believe it.

Gun availability/violence link is not that simple. For instance, in mexico, gun ownership is officially illegal. Yet there's a lot of violence in that country that's fueled by drug cartels. Cuidad Juarez is basically a warzone. Also, while in europe gun ownership is much stricter than here, it does not mean at all that people are safe. For example, there are neighborhoods where you have teenage and young adult thugs (ahem "disaffected youth") that terrorize the passerbies, beat them, steal etc. Sure having gun control would mean that sensationalized violence such as school, movie theater shootings would be reduced but it does not mean that society would be safer overall. There needs to be a balance, a delicate balance that is tough to find where we find the most aggregate safety at the least overall aggregate cost. I don't believe that banning guns will accomplish this. We need to have a situation where a potential criminal will have seeds of doubt in their mind before they committ a violent act that a potential victim may be armed. I remember in oakland 2 or 3 summers back there were businesses that were robbed almost every day. I thought that the only way this would end would be when one of these punk motherfuckers would be shot do death. And that's exactly what happened. A couple of these guys tried to hold up a jewerly store and one of them got popped. All of a sudden the epidemic stopped.

That and also, this phenomenon of mass shootings seems to be somewhat new. While going postal has been part of our lexicon, after Columbine - it has accelerated. There are so many frigging mass shootings in all sorts of states -I really don't know why.

It is almost like you can't go a month or two without hearing of a mass shooting. If this had happened in a mall with adults, this would not even have garnered this much publicity. Really sad.

I blame guns, ban them, especially automatic guns. limit the ammo.
regular psych evals and drug tests regularly to owner. if you own a gun then you agree to have your mental abilities tested and monitored.

If you own multiple guns then even stronger rules should be applied.

121212 says

I blame guns, ban them, especially automatic guns. limit the ammo.

regular psych evals and drug tests regularly to owner. if you own a gun then you agree to have your mental abilities tested and monitored.

If you own multiple guns then even stronger rules should be applied.

This is just more liberal naive from you. Way more people die in car accidents, ban cars too. And if you own an SUV stronger rules should apply.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. And it happens a lot less when economy is not going down the toilet like it is in the Obama lets raise taxes on the wealthy and everyone else nation.

And stupid liberal media, which seems to give these thugs way too much attention is probably just aggravating the problem.

FortWayne says

And it happens a lot less when economy is not going down the toilet like it is in the Obama lets raise taxes on the wealthy and everyone else nation.

Blaming this on the prez especially when there's no evidence to support this assertion is inappropriate given the circumstances. Also, from what I recall, tim mcveigh and columbine fools committed their atrocities during a thriving economy.

No GUNS Kill PEOPLE!FortWayne says

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Only apologists make that argument.

FortWayne says

Way more people die in car accidents, ban cars too. An

Really your making this sorry comparison.

Your pathetic.

Disengenous, MUCH!.

Virtualy an entire class full of 1st graders was wiped out. Listen to yourselves, you make me sick.

FortWayne says

And stupid liberal media, which seems to give these thugs way too much attention is probably just aggravating the problem.

Unlike the Fox coverage of Benghazi right! Which you loved!

Giving the attention to whom? That's right Terrorists.

121212 says

No GUNS Kill PEOPLE!FortWayne says

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Only apologists make that argument.

Only free-will deniers make that argument.

Peter P says

121212 says

No GUNS Kill PEOPLE!FortWayne says

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Only apologists make that argument.

Only free-will deniers make that argument.

Bullshit. Guns kill people.

121212 says

Peter P says

121212 says

No GUNS Kill PEOPLE!FortWayne says

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Only apologists make that argument.

Only free-will deniers make that argument.

Bullshit. Guns kill people.

So do cars. Ban cars!

121212 says

Peter P says

121212 says

No GUNS Kill PEOPLE!FortWayne says

Guns don't kill people, people kill people

Only apologists make that argument.

Only free-will deniers make that argument.

Bullshit. Guns kill people.

I'm sure you happy with Fox's coverage of Benghazi, right!

Pathetic R'pukes, they've already gone of the cliff. Comparing car accidents with mass murder of a class of 1st grader.

Disgusting rhetoric.

Peter P says

So do cars. Ban cars!

Shut up, have a heart for once.

Still no apology from CptEvil on politicizing these deaths from the first post onwards.
Your an evil son of bitch. Your daughters must be so proud of you.

I wonder if they know?

121212 says

Still no apology from CptEvil on politicizing these deaths from the first post onwards.

Your an evil son of bitch. Your daughters must be so proud of you.

I wonder if they know?

You are not any better.

Peter P says

121212 says

Still no apology from CptEvil on politicizing these deaths from the first post onwards.

Your an evil son of bitch. Your daughters must be so proud of you.

I wonder if they know?

You are not any better.

Bullshit. He is a vile hateful filth monger. If your backing him up your no better.

Not backing him up. But you are actually more annoying.

121212, has it ever occurred to you that the response Shuddup wants, the response that amuses him, is exactly the response you are making to his bs?

Anyway, the argument over guns laws will continue, but can we agree that this shit is fucked up:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/baPgr_tw79Q

He may not know it but he is no conservative, he is a fascist.

Enforcing current laws beats creating new ones.

Rooemore's avatar wins at least half the argument on its own right.

I can tolerate anti-social speech but politicizing the death of a class of 1st graders for CptEvil's sense of amusement is the definition of INSANITY!

Peter P says

Not backing him up. But you are actually more annoying.

Then fuck off.

121212 says

I can tolerate anti-social speech but politicizing the death of a class of 1st graders for CptEvil's sense of amusement is the definition of INSANITY!

You are the one politicizing it now.

Peter P says

121212 says

I can tolerate anti-social speech but politicizing the death of a class of 1st graders for CptEvil's sense of amusement is the definition of INSANITY!

You are the one politicizing it now.

and mitt romney won the election!

these aren't the droids your looking for

get lost Troll

Chris Rock weighs in:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/OuX-nFmL0II

CaptainShuddup says

Another Liberal in a whacky blue state that hates kids.
Am I doing it right? Isn't that how it works? If this were Texas then it would be another crazy Republican that hates unions.

What the fuck is wrong with you, man?

The captain definitely misspoke. Hopefully he will come to his senses.

121212 says

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

The NRA needs to go to Connecticut and offer free assault weapon safety classes in maternity hospitals so that parents can get the kind of education they need to teach their kids to defend themselves against the inevitability of mass murderers descending upon their schools and playgrounds. It's not Free Americans fault that parents are irresponsible.

I never liked your sarcasm. Especially on days like this. You should find better ways of communicating.

That's a really high horse you are sitting on there 121212. Feeling morally superior to the rest of us.

121212 says

I can tolerate anti-social speech but politicizing the death of a class of 1st graders for CptEvil's sense of amusement is the definition of INSANITY!

Isn't that exactly what you are doing?

We all understand it's a tragedy and feel terrible for those folks. But making threads about gun control... that's just stupid. Might as well make threads about banning cars every time there is a fatal car accident involving a drunk driver.

Yep. That ternary-numbered person is politicizing way more.

people in cars do not commit multiple 1st degree murders with a classroom full of 1st graders in it

by making a comparison you show a core lack of understanding the arguments

121212 says

He may not know it but he is no conservative, he is a fascist.

Hitler finds out that Americans are calling each other Nazi's:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/a4lJ9vsZjMU

People who eat fish do not choke on chicken bone.

zzyzzx says

Hitler finds out that Americans are calling each other Nazi's:

you don't have a video for when you call everyone communists or socialists!

FortWayne says

121212 says

I can tolerate anti-social speech but politicizing the death of a class of 1st graders for CptEvil's sense of amusement is the definition of INSANITY!

Isn't that exactly what you are doing?

We all understand it's a tragedy and feel terrible for those folks. But making threads about gun control... that's just stupid. Might as well make threads about banning cars every time there is a fatal car accident involving a drunk driver.

C'mon, there is a difference. You know how easy it is to buy assault weapons in many states? Very. No background check needed. Common sense gun laws would be passed if not for the multi-billion dollar weapons industry and it's army of lobbiests, (NRA) that do everything in their power to keep GUN SALES UP!

Common sense gun laws wont prevent all of these incidents, but it will help prevent some of them.

what kind of person posts video of another mass murderer on a thread about a poor class of 1st graders being mass murdered?

and then you "like" it yourself...

and then as the narcissistic you are "DISLIKE" mine zzyzzx?

Israel elementary class:
http://i.imgur.com/Ts1So.jpg

121212 says

what kind of person posts video of another mass murderer on a thread about a poor class of 1st graders being mass murdered?

and then you "like" it yourself...

and then as the narcissistic you are "DISLIKE" mine zzyzzx?

I liked his video.

Hitler parodies rock! My favorite is the one where Hitler loses his shirt in the housing bubble.

Peter P says

121212 says

what kind of person posts video of another mass murderer on a thread about a poor class of 1st graders being mass murdered?

and then you "like" it yourself...

and then as the narcissistic you are "DISLIKE" mine zzyzzx?

I liked his video.

Hitler parodies rock! My favorite is the one where Hitler loses his shirt in the housing bubble.

My favorite one is where Hitler finds out he has CFS - epic.