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It's very sad. The gunman was a son of one of the teachers. He shot his own mother and her students. Very, very sad.

Philistine says

It's very sad. The gunman was a son of one of the teachers. He shot his own mother and her students. Very, very sad.

Just read that too. It appears the guman/savage beast shot and killed his own mother who was a teahcer at the school and then killed the kids and others.

This is one sick world. Humanity just gained some of my new found disrespect.

S.E Cupp sheds tears on MSNBC. Her personal Christmas card is of her holding a shot gun, glorifying it, sitting in camo with her hunting buddies.

It was not just yesterday they were talking gun control and S.E. Cupp was against even talking about such things.

What will all those people who get this card from her think now!

I blame the media for creating these monsters, with non stop media coverage. Our youth are living pointless lives, locked away in their bedrooms in quiet desperation practicing for this very day on Violent video games, that the Army uses to train tactical combat forces.
The constant bombardment of hopelessness, high tuition costs, lower wages, lack of jobs available for college grads, the likelihood that they will be renters for life with nothing in the bank to show for their efforts at Dunkin Doughnut mine.
Just look at the attention these shooters get, they are treated like national heros that accomplished impossible feats and goals.

The flack I've gotten in the last hour, will be more outrage than the World's collective outrage over the shooter.

You guys should apologize for being so damn narcissistic.

The bullet will strike Bob Arthur the moment you step forward.

Because the assassin, ...

the deranged, obsessed...

tragically paranoid lone gunman...

Is trying to kill you.

Major Marco 's an excellent marksman.

But you must stay very, very still and stand where you are supposed to stand.

What happens to Ben?

The assassin always dies, baby.

It's necessary for the national healing.

~THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, 2004

121212 says

S.E Cupp sheds tears on MSNBC her Christmas card is her holding a shot gun, glorifying it, sitting in camo with her hunting buddies.

Those are two different things. If it was not guns, then the crazy SOB could have rammed a car filled with explosives into the school or other public places. There is nothing wrong with hunting. I eat meat and at least the hunted animal had a life -unlike the factory farmed critters.

Besides I am guessing, it is probably already illegal to bring guns into that school-I am taking a guess here. So he sneaked it in-just like that Colorado movie theater crazy-pity that loon didn't die.

i can't say this would or would not have happened with a different method, unlike you.

to suggest it would is naive, especially with explosives that are even harder to acquire.
Your reaching.

Two teens in South Florida killed a homeless man with a pen to the neck this week.

The pen is mightier than the sword in this case.
OK now that WAS a joke.

The mightier than the sword part, the killing with a pen really happened.

CaptainShuddup says

I blame the media for creating these monsters, with non stop media coverage.

Yes if we could just not talk about the monsters, maybe they would cease to exist....

Or at least, we won't have to have an uncomfortable (for you) conversation about prevention.

CptEvil This just happened, why do you feel the need to tell jokes and invoke "another" dead person?

shame on you

shame

Tiny prick.

CaptainShuddup says

I blame the media for creating these monsters, with non stop media coverage. Our youth are living pointless lives, locked away in their bedrooms in quiet desperation practicing for this very day on Violent video games, that the Army uses to train tactical combat forces.
The constant bombardment of hopelessness, high tuition costs, lower wages, lack of jobs available for college grads, the likelihood that they will be renters for life with nothing in the bank to show for their efforts at Dunkin Doughnut mine.
Just look at the attention these shooters get, they are treated like national heros that accomplished impossible feats and goals.

If these dumbasses seek martyrdom through fame, what's the point? This fool just killed himself, so he will not see the coverage that's about him. In regards to killing folks cause of life's challenges, that does not excuse or justify this monstrosity. Unless the killing is in self defense or accidental (car crash), the killer has transgressed against and severed link with humanity and should be executed as soon as possible in as dramatic method as possible so as to discourage others from attempting this in the future.

CaptainShuddup says

I blame the media for creating these monsters, with non stop media coverage. Our youth are living pointless lives, locked away in their bedrooms in quiet desperation practicing for this very day on Violent video games, that the Army uses to train tactical combat forces.

The constant bombardment of hopelessness, high tuition costs, lower wages, lack of jobs available for college grads, the likelihood that they will be renters for life with nothing in the bank to show for their efforts at Dunkin Doughnut mine.

Just look at the attention these shooters get, they are treated like national heros that accomplished impossible feats and goals.

The flack I've gotten in the last hour, will be more outrage than the World's collective outrage over the shooter.

You guys should apologize for being so damn narcissistic.

Says the person who had to make the post about himself.

I know here in the US the gun nuts have stockpiled arms to high heaven and will never, ever give up their beloved hobby no matter how many people have to die for them to keep it. This is America, people get shot here, and no one really wants things to change.

Still, this was also in the news today, and we can see how such situations play out in countries with strict gun control:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

Nut job attacks schoolchildren, but since he only had a knife and not a gun no one actually died.

Just sayin'

Yep, murderers should be humiliated. Public hanging ought to be a suitable method of execution.

Vicente says

Yes if we could just not talk about the monsters, maybe they would cease to exist....

Or at least, we won't have to have an uncomfortable (for you) conversation about prevention.

How so? Why would it be uncomfortable for me? I'm not a gun man.
But it would be pointless with out a national effort to pad every blunt object in the world, and filing down every sharp object to a smooth edge.

bdrasin says

I know here in the US the gun nuts have stockpiled arms to high heaven and will never, ever give up their beloved hobby no matter how many people have to die for them to keep it. This is America, people get shot here, and no one really wants things to change.

Still, this was also in the news today, and we can see how such situations play out in countries with strict gun control:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html

Nut job attacks schoolchildren, but since he only had a knife and not a gun no one actually died.

Just sayin'

Yeah but if some dude from the "hood" to the east not too far away from alameda knew for a fact that there's no chance that anyone in alameda had a gun, don't you think it would increase robberies and perhaps worse in your town?

Bigsby says

CaptainShuddup says

I blame the media for creating these monsters, with non stop media coverage. Our youth are living pointless lives, locked away in their bedrooms in quiet desperation practicing for this very day on Violent video games, that the Army uses to train tactical combat forces.

The constant bombardment of hopelessness, high tuition costs, lower wages, lack of jobs available for college grads, the likelihood that they will be renters for life with nothing in the bank to show for their efforts at Dunkin Doughnut mine.

Just look at the attention these shooters get, they are treated like national heros that accomplished impossible feats and goals.

The flack I've gotten in the last hour, will be more outrage than the World's collective outrage over the shooter.

You guys should apologize for being so damn narcissistic.

Says the person who has to make the post about himself.

What's wrong with your CptEvil?

You cannot help yourself.

Stop already.

No one likes you or your posts.

CaptainShuddup says

The flack I've gotten in the last hour, will be more outrage than the World's collective outrage over the shooter.

Oh, Shaddup don't get me wrong. You are a vile, disgusting, person lacking in empathy and seemingly unable to understand (evidenced by quoted comment) or fit in to the society around you, but I find people like Richard Allen Davis far more abhorrent than you. I am not even going to joke and say that you are just a notch above.

CaptainShuddup says

Vicente says

Yes if we could just not talk about the monsters, maybe they would cease to exist....

Or at least, we won't have to have an uncomfortable (for you) conversation about prevention.

How so? Why would it be uncomfortable for me? I'm not a gun man.

But it would be pointless with out a national effort to pad every blunt object in the world, and filing down every sharp object to a smooth edge.

See, this is truth of your argument.

You want to belittle the people who are outraged over the lack of gun control and want a sensible conservation.

This is the truth. This is a right wing wedge issue. Death by Gun.

You work for the gun lobby?

You are evil!

121212 says

Stop already.

I tell you what pony up $100 to Patrick and I will stop posting for a week.
This offer is only good for Iatola 121212.

CaptainShuddup says

121212 says

Stop already.

I tell you what pony up $100 to Patrick and I will stop posting for a week.

This offer is only good for Iatola 121212.

I will give Patrick $200 if you stop posting until the new year.

why don't you just stop already.

Allow people to discuss gun control without conservatives decrying the fact they may use another weapon.

The fact is that's all you wanted to do from your first post was to stop constructive conversation.

leo707 says

CaptainShuddup says

121212 says

Stop already.

I tell you what pony up $100 to Patrick and I will stop posting for a week.

This offer is only good for Iatola 121212.

I will give Patrick $200 if you stop posting until the new year.

I would contribute to that

Gun control did not stop that guy in Norway.

We have a humanity crisis here.

Well, among the many conclusions we can draw about Captain Shuddup from his posts, we now know he doesn't have kids.

dublin hillz says

Yeah but if some dude from the "hood" to the east not too far away from alameda knew for a fact that there's no chance that anyone in alameda had a gun, don't you think it would increase robberies and perhaps worse in your town?

Well, maybe in some cases. But I'm pretty convinced that overall countries with strict gun control are safer than countries without. Its a waste of time talking about, because an extremely motivated segment of the population has decided that they will never accept limits on gun ownership. In fact, they have stockpiled guns and announce that they will defy the law if the majority of voters try to change the laws to restrict access to guns.

Peter P says

Gun control did not stop that guy in Norway.

We have a humanity crisis here.

was that in this country?

stop detracting. that was political this is not.

Huh?

rooemoore says

Well, among the many conclusions we can draw about Captain Shuddup from his posts, we now know he doesn't have kids.

yes he does!

Peter P says

Gun control did not stop that guy in Norway.

We have a humanity crisis here.

Norway is much, much safer than the US. One of the reasons (certainly not the only one, but an important one) is that they have stricter gun laws.

Peter P says

Huh?

you can read...
this is not Norway, this was the murder of 22+ innocent young children at a school, this was not political unlike that of the shooting in Norway you invoked as a false comparison.

As a point of fact, the Norway shooter acquired his guns legally in Norway.

That is not "gun control".

Norway is safer because they are a fantastically wealthy nation.

Their pension fund has $150,000 PER CAPITA in it, and this isn't bullshit government issues into a 'trust fund', it's the real deal of 2-3% of the global stock equity.

It doesn't matter. Behavior is a manifestation of the mind.

Controlling behavior does not go very far, because the mind can find another way.

Peter P says

Gun control did not stop that guy in Norway.

We have a humanity crisis here.

121212 says

was that in this country?

stop detracting. that was political this is not.

Nuff said, this guys berqa clearly doesn't go all the way down to the ground.

Bellingham Bill says

As a point of fact, the Norway shooter acquired his guns legally in Norway.

That is not "gun control".

The gun laws in Norway are less restrictive than most European countries, but MUCH, MUCH, MUCH stricter than anything that would ever be acceptable here.

Bellingham Bill says

Norway is safer because they are a fantastically wealthy nation.

Well, that's your interpretation. I see countries with stricter gun laws and less violence, and I happen to think there is a connection. A causal connection. And I see a lot of people here in the US with creepy gun fetishes that just don't want to believe it.

bdrasin says

I see countries with stricter gun laws and less violence, and I happen to think there is a connection

Sure, I don't deny that. There's a basic rate of street crime, which availability of concealable guns increases.

Then there's these mass shooting incidents, which have nothing to do with street crime at all, and gun control cannot address unless we actually restrict hunting and recreational firearms drastically.

The Tides shooter from a couple of years back is a good example of gun control working. This nut had firearms he could legally acquire, but couldn't outgun the CHP since they weren't of "assault" variety.

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Alleged-gunman-says-he-wanted-a-revolution-3180744.php

The fact is, it's much easier to pull the trigger of a gun and close your eyes like a coward... then it is to stab and kill someone.

Both are sick individuals.. but the one stabbing people can be stopped much easier and quicker. I always wonder why the death counts are so low with guns... I'm curious if around the 28th person dead the gunman starts to feel remorse.

Or if they just run out of ammo... Personally i think it's the semi-automatic and automatic weapon reform is what we need. If the guy had to actually RELOAD his gun.. it would atleast give people time to tackle him.

Pipe bombs and such are another matter altogether.. and i sadly suspect the day any ban on semi-automatic weapons occurs.. some whack-job gun nut will pull a large scale Timothy McVeigh bombing just to prove a point.

If and when actually criminals.. not lone-gunman lunatics.. start committing mass shootings.. then we can talk about reversing the semi-automatic laws. How bout we pass a gun law... with an out clause.. where if everything the NRA fears will happen.. starts happening.. then we revert back to the way things were.

Guns are evil when used against innocent beings. In an ideal world, there would be no guns. That being said, guns are one of the only "powers" that the masses of people still have in America. Every other avenue of power is gone- economic, (job loss& foreclosure) political (corruption, lobbying by big $$) religious (hierarchical structure with masses at the bottom tithing the few dollars they have away). Although today is absolutely tragic, the remedy is not to take all the guns away from the people. Unfortunately, in this day and age, the people need guns to be able to defend themselves, just in case.

You need to uninvent guns, not to outlaw them.

Murder is already illegal.