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article on the shootings and a cultural examination


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2012 Dec 18, 5:36am   7,332 views  12 comments

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I agree with many of you that gun control is not the answer, though I also have to agree with Eddie Izzard: “They say that 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people.' Well I think the gun helps. If you just stood there and yelled BANG, I don't think you'd kill too many people.” So in the current milieu I don't any other short term fix other than to try our best to limit the tools, and besides those tools are designed to KILL PEOPLE in warfare, I really think they have no real place in our common day to day lives. I suppose perhaps keeping them locked at a gun range might be a solution, but we're not very good at sensible half-measures, are we?

This article is an exploration of the deeper issues facing our culture, ones that we most likely have to solve somewhat before fixes like gun control can be removed from the equation.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33352.htm

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1   Tenpoundbass   2012 Dec 18, 5:42am  

Yes it's time for Liberal media censorship, while we up production of assault riffles for the just and righteous.

Movies, Music, Books and the Internet should have to be reviewed by Alec Baldwin before it can be released.

2   kentm   2012 Dec 18, 6:06am  

CaptainShuddup says

Yes it's time for Liberal media censorship

Is there one subject, at all, that you can discuss without resorting to your jackass knee jerk responses?

Don't take this personally, but you disgust me. Please "ignore" me.

3   121212   2012 Dec 19, 3:37am  

kentm says

CaptainShuddup says

Yes it's time for Liberal media censorship

Is there one subject, at all, that you can discuss without resorting to your jackass knee jerk responses?

Don't take this personally, but you disgust me. Please "ignore" me.

He can't help himself, he is very unstable. He see's conspiracy's and liberal agenda everywhere.

4   Tenpoundbass   2012 Dec 19, 3:48am  

121212 says

He can't help himself, he is very unstable. He see's conspiracy's and liberal agenda everywhere.

and skulduggery don't forget liberal skulduggery.

5   Ceffer   2012 Dec 19, 4:01am  

Liberal knaves and cutthroats!

6   121212   2012 Dec 19, 4:04am  

CaptainShuddup says

121212 says

He can't help himself, he is very unstable. He see's conspiracy's and liberal agenda everywhere.

and skulduggery don't forget liberal skulduggery.

Give me your adrresss I will send you your latest anti psychotic meds. You must be over 50, you say the most obnoxious hateful things, so I will send you your monthly "DEPEND" incontinence underwear..

7   kentm   2012 Dec 19, 8:10am  

Call it Crazy says

The article had a lot of great points.

Here's one thing I keep going back to: Switzerland has a gun ownership rate as high as or higher than the US apparently but much less gun violence. Whats the difference? Could it perhaps be that Switzerland is a much wealthier country, per capita, with much less poverty? Is it the disparity and poverty combined with the fact that Americans are taught to idolize violence as a method of solving problems thats causing much of the issues, and its just expressing itself through guns and shootings because thats the most extreme tool we;re given?

Also, apparently murder by baseball bats is higher in the US than murder by guns. Is this true?

8   Bellingham Bill   2012 Dec 19, 9:03am  

kentm says

Could it perhaps be that Switzerland is a much wealthier country, per capita, with much less poverty?

That's part of it, yes.

We live in a system that drives people to be this crazy:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/y4gAyiCI9Eg

(somebody somewhere said he had lost his East Vegas condo of 19 years)

But the US has a very strong Bircher element to it missing in other places.

I read something about the psycho-social history of the Scots Irish who came here:

http://www.amazon.com/Born-Fighting-Scots-Irish-Shaped-America/dp/0767916891

not that but I think that's the same thesis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paranoid_Style_in_American_Politics

no shortage of this, even here on Patrick.net

9   Bellingham Bill   2012 Dec 19, 9:05am  

kentm says

Also, apparently murder by baseball bats is higher in the US than murder by guns. Is this true?

Maybe some particular type of gun, like shotgun, but not all guns:

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/tables/weaponstab.cfm

10   kentm   2012 Dec 19, 10:14am  

Firing Back at Extreme Gun Nuts
NRA: No Rational Answer

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33358.htm

11   zzyzzx   2012 Dec 19, 10:57am  

No amount of taxpayer's money is going to make up for bad parenting.

12   kentm   2012 Dec 19, 1:22pm  

zzyzzx says

No amount of taxpayer's money is going to make up for bad parenting.

That is basically nonsense in this context.

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