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121212 says

I will not eat anymore Salmon

Just find good salmon. You will know when you eat it.

I only eat raw, cured, or poached salmon.

Peter P says

I only eat raw, cured, or poached salmon.

You don't want to eat trademarked Salmon?

or trademarked seeds from Monsanto using roundup?

Why not, a little genetic diversity is fun for all the family.

Food is becoming more and more OWNED. I'm surprised Apple has not gotten in this business yet.

Well, choice is a good thing. I am not against genetically modified food. But consumers are free to choose.

Yeah, labeling would be good.

Peter P says

Well, choice is a good thing. I am not against genetically modified food. But consumers are free to choose.

Not in this country. They don't label and hence consumers are not free to choose. In Europe they do label and so consumers have a choice.

Peter P says

Well, choice is a good thing. I am not against genetically modified food. But consumers are free to choose.

They don't want us to choose! That's the truth.

They want to force feed it to us.

This proves we are a slave race, always was always will be.

We have been eating genetically modified food for thousands of years. The only difference is, the modifications were done through breeding, and now can be done directly.

I don't recall anyone in the past asking for labels for giant mutant turkeys with gigantic breasts, or tasteless tomatoes bred to have tough outer skins to survive truck rides.

Homeboy says

We have been eating genetically modified food for thousands of years. The only difference is, the modifications were done through breeding, and now can be done directly.

Nah not like this. Today you can put a frog's gene into a tomato or human gene into a cow-so when you drink cow's milk , you are actually drinking very close to human breast milk. That begs the question, if you eat said cow-are you a cannibal??

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20071923-10391704.html

I believe our essence is more than our genes.

Genetics do not define humanity. We define humanity individually.

I know if you put a frog's gene into dinosaur DNA it can change sex. I learned that from Jurassic Park. LOL!

Peter P says

Genetics do not define humanity.

So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

lostand confused says

Peter P says

Genetics do not define humanity.

So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

WTF are you talking about?

New Renter says

lostand confused says

Peter P says

Genetics do not define humanity.

So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

WTF are you talking about?

Responding to someone who says genes do not define a human.

121212 says

Peter P says

Well, choice is a good thing. I am not against genetically modified food. But consumers are free to choose.

They don't want us to choose! That's the truth.

They want to force feed it to us.

This proves we are a slave race, always was always will be.

You can always grow your own food. Discover just how hard it IS to grow enough food to survive on. Enjoy picking moth larvae out of your apples, tripping on ergot, and watching your kids starve when the harvest fails.

You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.

New Renter says

You can always grow your own food. Discover just how hard it IS to grow enough food to survive on

lmfao,it's not that hard...... maybe for you.

I worked my own farm for a while.

New Renter says

You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.

The reason you don't understand the food cycle anymore is because it has been altered.

Once there were 1000's of slaughter houses, now we have "5".

The problems go much deeper and wider, corporations have consolidated the market and changed the process.

What was Organic today was usual practices 40+ years ago.

121212 says

New Renter says

You can always grow your own food. Discover just how hard it IS to grow enough food to survive on

lmfao,it's not that hard...... maybe for you.

I worked my own farm for a while.

121212 says

New Renter says

You can always grow your own food. Discover just how hard it IS to grow enough food to survive on

lmfao,it's not that hard...... maybe for you.

I worked my own farm for a while.

True, you got me there - my track record with growing things has been terrible. Why'd you get out of farming?

lostand confused says

Peter P says

Genetics do not define humanity.

So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

Don't you touch my veal! ;-)

Veal Milanese. Yum!

121212 says

New Renter says

You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.

The reason you don't understand the food cycle anymore is because it has been altered.

Once there were 1000's of slaughter houses, now we have "5".

The problems go much deeper and wider, corporations have consolidated the market and changed the process.

What was Organic today was usual practices 40+ years ago.

I understand that the term "organic" has too many definitions. Over this past summer I spoke with a couple of farmers. They pointed out as you have that what people today call "organic farming" would better be defined as "traditional farming".

New Renter says

lostand confused says

Peter P says

Genetics do not define humanity.

So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

WTF are you talking about?

This is why I put lost and confused on ignore.

Homeboy says

New Renter says

lostand confused says

Peter P says

Genetics do not define humanity.

So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

WTF are you talking about?

This is why I put lost and confused on ignore.

It was obviously a joke.

I only ignore people who ignore me. Seems fair.

Peter P says

Homeboy says

New Renter says

lostand confused says

Peter P says

Genetics do not define humanity.

So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

WTF are you talking about?

This is why I put lost and confused on ignore.

It was obviously a joke.

I only ignore people who ignore me. Seems fair.

If so LaC has a strange sense of humor.

New Renter says

If so LaC has a strange sense of humor.

Or perhaps strange IS a sense of humor? :-)

Peter P says

lostand confused says

Peter P says

Genetics do not define humanity.

So you mind eating babies in the place of veal???

Don't you touch my veal! ;-)

Veal Milanese. Yum!

LOL!! I love me veal and every sort of meat! But I just prefer labelling in the case of Genetically modified food. I think the customer should be given the right to choose-it is our money. If Europe can achieve that, it is much easier here. But Monsanto and their ilk and their lobbying efforts prevent that. You can't put the genie back in the bottle-genetic modified food is here to stay. But there is nothing wrong with labelling.

Now philosophically-yes. We are all one, start off as a single cell, then grow and consume things of the earth , excrete stuff back into the earth and finally our body is absorbed back into the earth . I am not an atheist, defnitely believe something is there, beyond science and DNA-but file that in the unkown category. Some of the older religions all call that the unkowable, the great unkown and do not try and define that which is beyond our puny human defnition. So to me science is science -which is ever evolving as our understanding of the world evolves and expands and philosphy/essence/divine is something else. Why try and mix that with science and make it dull, boring and repetitive?

New Renter says

121212 says

New Renter says

You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.

The reason you don't understand the food cycle anymore is because it has been altered.

Once there were 1000's of slaughter houses, now we have "5".

The problems go much deeper and wider, corporations have consolidated the market and changed the process.

What was Organic today was usual practices 40+ years ago.

I understand that the term "organic" has too many definitions. Over this past summer I spoke with a couple of farmers. They pointed out as you have that what people today call "organic farming" would better be defined as "traditional farming".

Organic farming = Traditional Farming

We are being screwed! From Monsanto downwards.

Farming for me was educational.

My family have always known how, but we live in the city and suburbs and have no interest in going back to it.

varmint says

Why not just eat the other fish?

Presumably the other fish taste terrible and eat something we grow like corn, soybeans, or some sort of food waste.

121212 says

New Renter says

121212 says

New Renter says

You are also free to spend more on organic food, whatever THAT means.

The reason you don't understand the food cycle anymore is because it has been altered.

Once there were 1000's of slaughter houses, now we have "5".

The problems go much deeper and wider, corporations have consolidated the market and changed the process.

What was Organic today was usual practices 40+ years ago.

I understand that the term "organic" has too many definitions. Over this past summer I spoke with a couple of farmers. They pointed out as you have that what people today call "organic farming" would better be defined as "traditional farming".

Organic farming = Traditional Farming

We are being screwed! From Monsanto downwards.

I dunno, as far as I know the jury is still out on the health implications of GM foods. That study put out in September -since discredited - regarding GM 603 corn sure didn't help the arguments of the anti-GMO crowd.

New Renter says

I dunno, as far as I know the jury is still out on the health implications of GM foods. That study put out in September -since discredited - regarding GM 603 corn sure didn't help the arguments of the anti-GMO crowd.

The jury is not out, the farmers are speaking, your choosing not to listen.

Ask "ANY" farmer.

121212 says

New Renter says

I dunno, as far as I know the jury is still out on the health implications of GM foods. That study put out in September -since discredited - regarding GM 603 corn sure didn't help the arguments of the anti-GMO crowd.

The jury is not out, the farmers are speaking, your choosing not to listen.

Ask "ANY" farmer.

As I said earlier I HAVE spoken to farmers. They were kind enough to give a tour of their farms and discuss the benefits of traditional farming; however the health aspects of GM foods in humans is not a question a farmer is qualified to answer.

This is a question to be answered by series of carefully constructed, double blind research trials with a significant control and test populations of either humans or a representative animal model. Most of the criticism of the studies done by both sides to date - as in the case of the corn study - has been on the methodology employed and the objectivity of the researchers.

121212 says

effectively giving its preliminary seal of approval on the first transgenic animal to be considered for federal approval.

Personally I think this an abomination of God, this should not be allowed to happen. The world is NOT ready for transgender salmon...

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Ohhhhh Never mind!

Just LABEL it! Why would they hide it unless they know people will not buy it!

Just like "PINK SLIME".

If you eat Chicken Nuggets that is PINK SLIME. If you Label things people will not buy them.

Who needs labels?
Can you spot the fake? If not then farm raised salmon should be a non issue for you.

New Renter says

I said earlier I HAVE spoken to farmers. They were kind enough to give a tour of their farms and discuss the benefits of traditional farming; however the health aspects of GM foods in humans is not a question a farmer is qualified to answer.

right, ask Monsanto and expect an answer. Did anyone of those farmers discuss Roundup? GM Alfalfa?

Pesticides?

They are qualified, your not listening.

Exposed: Monsanto planted GM alfalfa before USDA approved it, federal agency knew all along

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/28/business/28alfalfa.html?_r=0
http://www.naturalnews.com/034264_GM_alfalfa_Roundup.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/036023_Monsanto_GM_alfalfa_USDA.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/02/why-you-should-care-about-genetically-modified-alfalfa/70557/
http://farmwars.info/?p=5885

“GM alfalfa will be everywhere”

http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/february2011/gmalfalfawillbeeverywhere.php

Homeboy says

I don't recall anyone in the past asking for labels for giant mutant turkeys with gigantic breasts, or tasteless tomatoes bred to have tough outer skins to survive truck rides.

Or about "red delicious" apples that taste terrible.

121212 says

right, ask Monsanto and expect an answer. Did anyone of those farmers discuss Roundup? GM Alfalfa?

Pesticides?

They are qualified, your not listening.

Completely different issue. GM does not add chemicals to the food. The reason we don't need labels every time reactionaries get hysterical for no reason, is that it confuses people. Consumers aren't going to know what's bad for them unless it is scientifically determined what IS bad for them. Just because some people find "new" things to be "scary" is not a reason to start banning or labeling things. Where's the science?

When a farmer grafts 2 trees together, he is changing the genetics of that product. We've been doing that probably for thousands of years. Do you believe that requires a special label?

Homeboy says

Completely different issue. GM does not add chemicals to the food. T

Excuse me? Monsanto GM engineers the seed to work specifically with Roundup. What are you talking about?

We are not talking grafting and such.

121212 says

When a farmer grafts 2 trees together, he is changing the genetics of that product. We've been doing that probably for thousands of years. Do you believe that requires a special label?

You don't understand. 1st the farmer has no control over the seeds. 2) the crop is Gm to work with Roundup 3) the farmer is not allowed to re-use seeds 4) nobody knows wtf Monsanto is doing!

The farmers are not involved, you know the people we trusted with our food for 100's and 1000's of years.

Why do you think you have all these allergy issues? Pesticides designed to be used with GM crop.