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Considering this is round 2 of amnesty, I wonder if there is a plan to prevent round 3??

Reality says

That's because people are forced to shop there by tight government regulations restricting the supply of health insurance companies and hospitals. They are essentially semi-government bureaucracy.

You were never forced to shop there, plenty of companies are there, and until Obamacare you didn't have to carry insurance at all.

Reality says

Living standards in America will improve due to more smooth market clearing on voluntary exchanges and division of labor, with less government regulation and bureaucrats to feed. Think, if you live in a nice town, and if the town outlaws staffing of restaurants in town by youths from other towns, the result would be high restaurant bills and lower standards of living not higher.

Why would markets be more smooth, where is less government regulation coming from? The only difference is now there are more people looking for same jobs. And restaurants charge the maximum they can charge, and all already hire illegals, that isn't going to change. Now you'll just have more of these illegals working off the books and eligible for government assistance making for bigger bureaucracy and more government.

FortWayne says

You were never forced to shop there, plenty of companies are there, and until Obamacare you didn't have to carry insurance at all.

Both hospitals and insurance companies are very strictly licensed, with a bias towards minimizing supply. Obamacare of course is yet another scheme to siphon American medical consumer money that could have been spent much more cost-effectively overseas, like in Thailand and Mexico.

FortWayne says

Why would markets be more smooth, where is less government regulation coming from? The only difference is now there are more people looking for same jobs.

The cost of enforcement and compliance is not negligible. Even besides the bureaucrats and more forms and checks that employers have to do, the difference is not just more people looking for the same jobs: every human being is also a consumer in the local economy, every lowering of production cost enables more jobs. Someone willing bake 50 loaves of bread while eating only 1 loaf instead of 2 loaves means there are more loaves available for the rest of the population.

FortWayne says

And restaurants charge the maximum they can charge, and all already hire illegals, that isn't going to change.

Going out to eat has a very price sensitive demand curve. Restaurants come and go all the time depending on consumer pattern. Lowering cost of doing business in an expensive town by hiring people from nearby less expensive towns happen all the time.

FortWayne says

Now you'll just have more of these illegals working off the books and eligible for government assistance making for bigger bureaucracy and more government.

Welfare is an entirely different issue. The primary beneficiaries of most welfare programs are not the supposed target population anyway, but the bureaucrats.

The "illegals" as far as I know don't qualify for any government assistance in the form of welfare, EBT, medical. Their kids who were born here are considered citizens and hence are eligible for asssitance. But the "illegals" are not. So I don't frankly understand all this hoopla about them alegedly abusing welfare, etc.

Reality says

Going out to eat has a very price sensitive demand curve. Restaurants come and
go all the time depending on consumer pattern.

Yup, I calculated and by eating basically the same meal at home compared to a restaurant it only costs me about 10% of restaurants' total price by eating at home. I am surprised how some of them stay in business except that some people just don't know how to cook or are just lazy.

dublin hillz says

The "illegals" as far as I know don't qualify for any government assistance in the form of welfare, EBT, medical. Their kids who were born here are considered citizens and hence are eligible for asssitance. But the "illegals" are not. So I don't frankly understand all this hoopla about them alegedly abusing welfare, etc.

wrong. like, by a mile.
A full on invader can get DISABILITY and free medical, and pharm, just by walking into a emergency room followed by calling 222-2222.

invaders and their spawn enjoy free schooling, free school lunch, free dental, free WIC, free EBT, free Section 8 ... there are no residence requirements for any welfare in mexifornia ,,... wanna know how I know?? Because it is ILLEGAL to ask citzen status of a welfare taker.

p.s.. just so you really understand the impact on the welfare system due to the invasion that ramped up after Prop 187 in 1994, you must understand this: as soon as the female is prego she gets full blown assisstance for all of her needs as a mommy and anything the baby may need. Full blown. Wanna guess the birth rate to under18 mexicans? unwed? muliple births to multiple partners before age 18? yea, that info is hard to find. Know why? Hospitals were told to stop publishing it -- guess when ... -- that's correct, around 1994.

and, for the record, as soon as some Repubs find their balls they will force the SupremeCourt to express the difference between a LEGAL visitor/alien having a child (and it being a citizen) and an INVADER dropping an anchor in Welfare Lagoon.