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thomaswong.1986 says

The Islamist are neither... once again your in denial and self justification.

thunderlips11 says

thomaswong.1986 says

The Islamist are neither... once again your in denial and self justification.

Al qaeda is neither right or left.. but if you want to look back into history and look at Muslim Terrorist, and sponsored states, being left wing with ties to the former Soviet Union ...

Islamic socialism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_socialism

slamic socialism is a term coined by various Muslim leaders to describe a more spiritual form of socialism. Muslim socialists believe that the teachings of the Qur'an and Muhammad — especially zakāt — are compatible with principles of economic and social equality. They draw inspiration from the early Medinan welfare state established by Muhammad. Muslim socialists are generally not as socially liberal as their western counterparts. Like Christian democrats, Muslim socialists found their roots in anti-imperialism. Muslim socialist leaders believe in democracy and the derivation of legitimacy from the public, as opposed to Islamic religious texts or claims to be Muhammad's successors.

any of these names ring a bell...

Gamal Abdel Nasser
Jamal al-Din Afghani, one of the founders of Islamic modernism
Rafi Ahmed Kidwai, Indian politician and cabinet minister from 1947–1954
Jalal Al-e Ahmad, Iranian social and political critic
Tan Malaka, Indonesian Communist of Minangkabau descent and philosopher of dialectical materialism
Agus Salim, Indonesian hero, patron of Jong Islamienten Bond
Sjafruddin Prawiranegara, Masyumi politician
Sultan Ghaliev, the Muslim National Communist
Sukarno, first President of Indonesia
Ali Shariati
Shamsiah Fakeh, Malaysian feminist and guerilla fighter
Siad Barre, former from President of Somalia;1969-1991. Turned his back to communism in 1978 after the betrayal of the Soviet Union.
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto former PM and President and the only Civil Chief Martial Law Administrator of Pakistan.
Chaudhry Rehmat Ali
Yasser Arafat
Ahmed Jibril
Mohammed Iqbal
Faiz Ahmed Faiz
Habib Jalib
Ibn-e-Insha
Sadat Hassan Manto
Hanif Ramay
Muammar Gaddafi
Massoud Rajavi
Ismail Mahmood, founder of Islamic pantheism
Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri, founder of the Pakistan Awami Tehrik

God that Infowars thread is full of DERP. One choice comment:

" First of all they sank the Titanic on April 15, 1912. So we know that this is a significant date in history, since the ship was switched with its sister ship for insurance for J.P. Morgan, that’s another story. The Boston Bombings was a Government operation in response to patriots of the USA winning the debate on gun control a few weeks ago."

However those who are still fighting the 80's Cold War have to be in the running.

Don't forget about the Occupy Cleveland bombers.

They planted what they thought were live bricks of C-4 underneath a well-traveled bridge connecting two suburban Ohio communities and repeatedly tried to detonate them.

I guess they get a pass since they weren't successful?

thunderlips11 says

Sorry dude, one doctor being shot to me counts more than 10,000 hummers going up in smoke.

Strawman.

What part of, "I don't recall saying it was exactly the same as the Boston Marathon bombing" didn't you understand, dipshit?

If you don't want a reply to your statement, "I can't think of a real bombing by lefties in decades", then don't fucking write it. Or maybe we were supposed to read your mind and know that "real" is code for "a doctor gets shot". WTF? Have fun arguing with your made up version of what I wrote. I guess it's o.k. to have imaginary friends.

I see a white woman running away from the explosion in this video. Funny thing, though - she isn't getting tackled by anyone.

White women haven't blown anything up in a while. Arabs blow shit up all the time.

Moderate Infidel says

I see a white woman running away from the explosion in this video. Funny thing, though - she isn't getting tackled by anyone.

White women haven't blown anything up in a while. Arabs blow shit up all the time.

Thank you for unwittingly proving my point.

as already shown on Pnet above ...

Liberals Are Already Blaming Boston Marathon Bombing On Conservatives

ww.rightwingnews.com/crime/liberals-are-already-blaming-boston-marathon-bombing-on-conservatives/

After national tragedies, liberals almost inevitably come out of the woodwork looking for ways to blame the whole thing on conservatives. Sadly, the Boston Marathon bombing has been no exception to that rule. Even though at present, there is absolutely nothing that ties the Boston Marathon bombing to conservatives, there are still Left-Wingers still trying to blame these attacks on the Right.

CNN’s national security analyst Peter Bergen suggested more than once that a, “right-wing extremist group” could be behind the attacks.

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews falsely claimed that, “Normally domestic terrorists, people, tend to be on the far right.”

New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof tweeted, “Explosion is a reminder that ATF needs a director. Shame on Senate Republicans for blocking apptment.”

And of course, we can’t forget Michael Moore. "2+2= "

Some wingnuts seem to think it must be liberal bombers, but that is not representative of all conservatives.

Liberals are not by and large leaping to lynch anyone, any more than other Americans. Go crap on someone else's thread pal.

Dude, your own Wiki cut and paste quote destroys your own argument:
thomaswong.1986 says

Muslim socialist leaders believe in democracy and the derivation of legitimacy from the public, as opposed to Islamic religious texts or claims to be Muhammad's successors.

Whereas the Muslim Brotherhood, AQ, and other Muslim Fundamentalists believe government derives it's power from, and must serve, the Koran, that there is no separation of Islam and the State, no secularism, only the House of Peace.

The Muslim Brotherhood/AQ is a right wing organization just like the Christian Fundamentalist Army of God is a right wing organization:
http://www.armyofgod.com/

Jesus, they even have swords and quotes all over their pages, just like whackadoodle Fundy Muslim sites.

thomaswong.1986 says

any of these names ring a bell...

Yep. And none of these guys have anything to do with 9/11 or Islamic Terrorism generally.

I don't recall Nasser having people hijack planes and fly them into buildings. Nor Sukarno, that's ridiculous. Ali Shariati was an academic who never committed or endorsed terrorism, and died in exile. Gadafyi was OVERTHROWN by Muslim Brotherhood/AQ Types. Those are just the ones I noticed at first blush.

This is a stretch even Plastic Man can't pull off. I'd love to see how Nasser or Sukarno can be described as a fundamentalist Muslim on the order of Mohammed Atta or K.S. Mohammed.

Keep trying to fit square pegs into round holes to justify your binary worldview.

Homeboy says

If you don't want a reply to your statement, "I can't think of a real bombing by lefties in decades", then don't fucking write it. Or maybe we were supposed to read your mind and know that "real" is code for "a doctor gets shot". WTF? Have fun arguing with your made up version of what I wrote. I guess it's o.k. to have imaginary friends.

Whatever dude. I think it was very clear from context I was talking about actual explosive bombings, not vandalism and property damage. The word "Real" there modifies the word "bombing". In fact, from the get go, the Hummer Burnings were described as "Arson".

Also, the ELF threw molotov cocktails. They did not make IEDs, use C-4, etc. To me, and I think first in the minds of most people, bombing needs a explosive with a timer or other detonation device. Not a rag stuffed bottle full of oil that has to be thrown and broken to spread a fire - that's not explosive.

To contrast, the Weathermen - and the Boston Bomber, and the Atlanta Bombing - used actual explosives.

In fact, the FBI itself referred to it as an Arson Spree, not a "Bombing".
http://www.mindfully.org/Heritage/2003/ELF-FBI-$2_5M-SUVs23aug03.htm

Most of the Media Coverage used the same terms:
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2009/09/hummer_burners_conviction_over.php

Oh, and the guy was convicted of Arson and sentenced to eight years.

OK, the speculation in this thread and the Internet has gotten ridiculous. For all we know that "bottle of bb balls" could be a bottle of orange juice.

Let's all take a break from the drama, go outside to smell the fresh air, and stop obsessing over whoduntit. There are thousands of professionals looking into this case right now using the most advance forensics available. Chill out and wait for them to find the real answers.

tdr says

Don't forget about the Occupy Cleveland bombers.

Yay! Finally, a semi-recent terrorist attempt that probably would have resulted in deaths and can be blamed on left-wing ideals. And involved what they thought were explosives.

Still, no deaths from left terror in the US in decades. Many deaths just in the past couple of years from right terror, not including Islamic conservative terror, here in the USA. And the number of right wing plots carried out or foiled is exponentially larger than those on the left.

Vicente says

God that Infowars thread is full of DERP. One choice comment:

And the rage of the right wing resulted in the dismantling of a group studying far-right extremism due to Congressional Pressure.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/16/us/domestic-terrorism

The feds are going to televise the tape of the bombers. That must mean they haven't a clue where these guys are. It would be great if the public could identify these depraved individuals and "we" as a nation take them down. That would be great for healing of the nation. Whoot-whoot!

Dan8267 says

OK, the speculation in this thread and the Internet has gotten ridiculous. For all we know that "bottle of bb balls" could be a bottle of orange juice.

Let's all take a break from the drama, go outside to smell the fresh air, and stop obsessing over whoduntit. There are thousands of professionals looking into this case right now using the most advance forensics available. Chill out and wait for them to find the real answers.

Evidently these 2 guys have already been cleared.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/teen-boston-marathon-bomber/story?id=18990057#.UXBdAMqRd7P

Just watched live NBC coverage of FBI press conference.

2 males identified, definitely not the ones above, photos to be posted on fbi.gov.

No one noticed these guys. They were too busy looking at their cellphones!

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/image/suspect-1-and-suspect-2-high-res

Infowars had outlined a couple other guys. Looked military. Just speculatin.

http://www.infowars.com/boston-bombing-culprits-found/comment-page-1/#comments

Who knows.

Video segment and photos here

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston

joshuatrio says

Who knows.

In the top photo what is cropped out is they are standing in the MIDDLE OF THE STREET after the bombing next to a POLICE TRUCK. So, probably not mad bombers. Likely undercover police or hired security eyeballs likely former military, backpack appears to be this one:

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/3-Day-Assault-Pack,865,44.htm

Here's another street shot you'll see a clump of people dressed the same way, with black jackets and tan pants.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/asnemedia/660198c3-f73d-491f-a183-bbf727ee1778-US_NEWS_BOSTONMARATHON_5_YB.jpg

Alex Jones unleashes nothing but a bunch of timewasting conspiracy nutter twats.

Vicente says

Alex Jones unleashes nothing but a bunch of timewasting conspiracy nutter twats.

Makes sense. Just saw it linked up via drudge.

ABC story with the full press conference video:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/special-fbi-team-helps-id-boston-marathon-bomb/story?id=18986177#.UXBx1MqRd7N

Vicente says

Evidently these 2 guys have already been cleared.

Exactly why speculation is bad. It turns a criminal investigation into a witch hunt. Thankfully no asshole acted on the assumption that this guy was the terrorist and then attacked him.

One of the earlier "suspects" identified by the Internet Wingnut Brigade speaks out:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/salah-eddin-barhoum-bosto_n_3112892.html?ref=topbar

Oh, and during the FBI press conference, the InfoWars people had to open their mouths about their False Flag lunacy:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/boston-marathon-bombing_n_3109768.html#394_right-wing-journalist-goes-ballistic-during-press-conference

Vicente says

One of the earlier "suspects" identified by the Internet Wingnut Brigade speaks out:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/salah-eddin-barhoum-bosto_n_3112892.html?ref=topbar

This report talks about how the was a suspect for the FBI and portrayed as such in some newspapers, not about being a suspect of non-official media sites on the internet. Looks like you got this one mixed up.

Vicente says

One of the earlier "suspects" identified by the Internet Wingnut Brigade speaks out:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/salah-eddin-barhoum-bosto_n_3112892.html?ref=topbar

Every asshole speculating about who did it should be forced to watch that video one thousand times while apologizing for being an asshole.

Modern age witch-hunts revolve around the Internet.

He should also sue the New York Post for libel, reckless endangerment, and emotional damages. I'd award him several million dollars for that shit. His family members should also sue for distress.

Eyewitness testimony from a victim, who SAW the bag being dropped

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-19/boston-bombing-victim-in-iconic-photo-helped-identify-attackers.html

You think that'll put the InfoWars nutters down? Nope, for them it just means the conspiracy runs EVEN deeper. Because paranoid cranks just cannot settle for something so obvious and simple as a terrorist team, they absolutely can't stand it when the plot doesn't involve American Gestapo and well-trained assassins.

Apparently someone just realized they think to have a clearer photo of Suspect #2 on their iPhone:

?6

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/new-photo-suspect-2-boston_n_3114088.html

what a sick mofo.

1 suspect detained, 1 on the loose

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/04/18/mit-police-officer-hit-gunfire-cambridge-police-dispatcher-says/4UeCClOVeLr8PHLvDa99zK/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw

Could be.

Those Reddit guys might be amazing. Earlier today they thought the bomber with the white cap might be missing Brown U student Sunil Tripathi.

Now after the Watertown battle and capture Boston police scanner just said the suspect 2 in Watertown is Sunil Tripathi. If it turns out to be true, I will have to give the Reddit creds.

I personally don't think it is him. I think bomber 2's mouth is totally different, much smaller. But it's a good guess.

Final word?

http://i.imgur.com/o1VvJzE.jpg

Looks like it might be a pair of Chechnan brothers who carried out the bombing and one has been killed.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/one-boston-marathon-suspect-dead-second-run-police-say/story?id=18994511

Call it Crazy says

Give it a little more time and the second one will be killed too.. you know, dead men don't tell stories....

He'll be shot in the face and drooped in the Ocean, and it will be reported they were Rednecks from Texas.

Well, I'm stuck at home, asked not to leave my house. I can't take subway to work, and Boston (inluding my town) is shut down/locked down.......

Suspect "#1" is dead, the other probably giving up the 'mortal coil' in Watertown as I write. The 2 are (were) brothers originally from Russia (Chechens), having moved to Cambridge around 2000-1. I'm amazed at those liberals (those I don't respect) who shoot their mouth off immediately blaming the GOP/Right-wingers/Rebublicans/conservatives/Tea Party right after a trgedy. In a conversation w/ my neighbor a couple of days ago, she tells me the bombers were probably motivated by the recent 'anti-gun' law efforts. I said 'really'? Blowing up people at the finish line w/ a bomb because this bill is being voted on in legislature? Fuckin' clueless.

I know there are plenty of conservative/right wingers very capable of shooting their mouths off, and do it frequently. But I really never hear one after a tragedy. They may defend initial accusations from the left, But I hear plenty of lefties stirring up the shit storm to start the arguments.

Want an example? Right after 911, I'm talking to my sister. She and her then finacee were telling me they would 'bet the house' that this 'response' was due to Bush being elected. Really?!! I love my sister and is one of the brighter people I know, but she's fuckin' clueless when it comes to reality. Well we all know that 911 was planned WAAAAY before Bush even got elected. Hell, they had a 'dry run' in '93 when Clinton was in office, Clinton never really caught shit from the MSM on that one.

Moral of the story for both sides of the isle? STFU till the facts come in. Otherwise, you'll only come across as a clueless asshole, much like David Sirota from Solon, or that arrogant prick named Barney Frank, who politicized this tragedy within 2 DAYS of the bombing. Classless, clueless arrogant prick. I'm glad he's not in office...I'm not a big fan of Gov. Patrick or Mayor Menino, but they are saying and doing the right things. Hats off to them on this one....

Found pictures of their uncles

CaptainShuddup says

Found pictures of their uncles

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LOL... I remember that one. Thanks for the laugh...