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It's Roberta's fault for turning me into a nit-picking punctuation prick.

leo707 says

Sorry! I can't maintain this ruse, the guilt is eating me alive!

It was a typo I meant to say "paramedics."

I hope you can forgive my deception...

Something for people to chew on:

She said she doubted that the case should have been brought to trial, calling it a “publicity stunt.” But once it was, she said, the lack of evidence and Florida law left the jury no choice but to acquit.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-george-zimmerman-juror-b29-20130725,0,3330582.story

I don't understand this woman. She thinks he got away with murder, but the case shouldn't have been brought to trial, and it was a publicity stunt...

SoftShell says

Not ignoring it.

But the intimidation factor remains.

Would you want a whole race of people mad at you because you thought the guy was innocent?

It's no skin off her ass to tell the mob what they want to hear now...

I think that makes the most sense. To me, the truth is that she didn't think it should have even gone to trial (although I disagree with her on that point). To cover her butt, she said what she felt people wanted to hear.

SoftShell says

Not ignoring it.

But the intimidation factor remains.

Would you want a whole race of people mad at you because you thought the guy was innocent?

It's no skin off her ass to tell the mob what they want to hear now...

I would believe this to be the case if her story was not already consistent with what was said by Juror B37, who at the time of here interview did not realize all the implications of the ruling.

Hey, and that is the way it should be. A jury should make decisions regardless of what the mob wants and feels.

I don't think that justice was served by the verdict, but that said if I was sitting on the Jury I may have come to the same conclusion. If there is a law on the books that allows for people to kill others by shooting them in the back as they walk away, or frees gang members after a kill because it can not be determined who shot first then as a juror your hands are tied. If I had realized what people get away with under Stand Your Ground laws, I would have put much a higher chance that Zim would get acquitted.

Ideally the law dispenses justice most of the time, but there will always be judgements where justice is not served. Well, until our robot overlords come to power...

require video cameras on all guns. they are small enough now to not interfere with the shooting process.
you would have to put your pistol in it's charger at night, just like a phone.
and the camera starts automatically whenever it comes out of the holster..
Just think of the upgrade market!

leo707 says

Well, until our robot overlords come to power...

If Martin was overpowering Zimmerman, and Martin knew that Zimmerman had a gun.

How did Martin get shot through the heart?

Its unknown that martin knew zimmerman had a gun...zimmy said martin was reaching for it, but that was zimmy's perception. It could have been wrong after taking the head to the concrete...

StillLooking says

If Martin was overpowering Zimmerman, and Martin knew that Zimmerman had a gun.

How did Martin get shot through the heart?

You mean Zimmerman's perception was wrong? Who would have thunk it?

SoftShell says

Its unknown that martin knew zimmerman had a gun...zimmy said martin was reaching for it, but that was zimmy's perception. It could have been wrong after taking the head to the concrete...

StillLooking says

If Martin was overpowering Zimmerman, and Martin knew that Zimmerman had a gun.

How did Martin get shot through the heart?

it's a good thing that silly mother of 8 didn't get to hear all the liberal tilt to the case before casting her vote, huh?

Call it Crazy says

Well, maybe we should throw away the whole legal system, laws, courts, lawyers, ect. and just move to a system that uses Emotions to make a ruling of guilty or innocent.

You'd like to have any legal matter against you decided on Emotions instead of law, wouldn't you??

I am surprised that you feel that way (well, I am not surprised about you letting your emotions rule your decision making process).

As for what I would like, you may have missed this part of my post:
leo707 says

Hey, and that is the way it should be. A jury should make decisions regardless of what the mob wants and feels.

I don't think that justice was served by the verdict, but that said if I was sitting on the Jury I may have come to the same conclusion....

Ideally the law dispenses justice most of the time, but there will always be judgements where justice is not served.

Call it Crazy says

Well, maybe we should throw away the whole legal system, laws, courts, lawyers, ect. and just move to a system that uses Emotions to make a ruling of guilty or innocent.

You'd like to have any legal matter against you decided on Emotions instead of law, wouldn't you??

And, yes clearly our only two choices are the current code of laws, or no law at all.

leo and marcus want minorities to have permanent seat or two on every jury.

they want the jury to have predetermined number biased jurors to handle race issues,

to make the issues balanced.

SoftShell says

The bolded portion of your post contradicts itself.

The black victim did "get the same". A trial was held and a jury gave an impartial verdict.

CL says

Again, the rightwingers prove that they will give anyone who kills a black citizen the benefit of the doubt.

There IS a presumption of innocence, but why doesn't a black victim get the same? Why would you blame the victim so often, yet exonerate the killer?

Did the jury blame the victim? No. I said that YOU and your ilk do. That is your justification for this murder. Trayvon deserved it. He is "responsible" for his own death.

It makes you feel better about your racism.

Goran_K says

CL claims he gets worse than broken noses and gashes on his scalp practicing judo moves on a padded mat. Judo stands for the gentle way, maybe you and your training partners don't know what the heck you guys are doing. So yes that is dangerous when you have amateurs acting like idiots.

You deliberately left out wrestling. Why?

If you've ever done competitive sport like this, and for many years, you'll get cracked in the face, broken bones, fingers in the eye, hyperextended joints. They are tough, hand-to-hand sports.

Besides, I'm gentle and won anyway. My opponents, well, some of them were hyperaggressive punks who didn't obey the codes of conduct, or were poorly trained. Kinda like Zim, now that you mention it.

Can't beat a man fairly, you resort to cheating. In sport, you have impartial refs so it's hard to win that way.

In law, you just need people to believe the weak-willed cheater had no choice but to cheat, and the apologists come to their defense.

thomaswong.1986 says

leo and marcus want minorities to have permanent seat or two on every jury.

they want the jury to have predetermined number biased jurors to handle race issues,

to make the issues balanced.

if jurys are to be "of ones peers", then the entire jury should have been 1/2Hispanic gun owners with CCW permits that have an active roll in public safety. GZ would have been found not guilty, and given an award. Then the procecuter that held back evidense would have been put in prison for life.

I want a jury of my peers. Not a jury of liberal trash.

CL says

Goran_K says

CL claims he gets worse than broken noses and gashes on his scalp practicing judo moves on a padded mat. Judo stands for the gentle way, maybe you and your training partners don't know what the heck you guys are doing. So yes that is dangerous when you have amateurs acting like idiots.

You deliberately left out wrestling. Why?

If you've ever done competitive sport like this, and for many years, you'll get cracked in the face, broken bones, fingers in the eye, hyperextended joints. They are tough, hand-to-hand sports.

Yep, anyone who spends a good amount of time in Judo (or similar) classes is going to see all kinds of injuries, it is not easy on the body.

Perhaps Goran may have confused Judo with cuddle parties. It seems that Goran is often easily confused when faced with realities that don't confirm per-concieved notions.

What racism?
And please show me exactly where I blame Trayvon Martin for the incident?
You can't because the evidence does not exist.
I have argued all along that there is no evidence to find zimmerman guilty.
I have never argued that Trayvon was guilty.
U are starting to sound like you are full of shit.

CL says

Did the jury blame the victim? No. I said that YOU and your ilk do. That is your justification for this murder. Trayvon deserved it. He is "responsible" for his own death.

It makes you feel better about your racism.

Sounds like masturbation en masse.
I don't know where you dig this shit up....

leo707 says

Perhaps Goran may have confused Judo with cuddle parties.