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Yet there are millions of graduates of public schools that are functionally illiterate. What does that say? Di you and your brother and your entire family get the most important aspect of education from the family, or just public schools? Don't be shy.

There are also a perhaps equally large number of students who are also illiterate who go to private schools. I can say that the same as you made your statement since you lack any data to backup that claims.Reality says

BTW, it is erroneous to take a static view of public schools: "ours is not perfect" and "Finland is #1" are all transient observations, just like once upon a time the Prussian System was thought of as the best as it pumped

You need to understand the definition of Past and Present. I wasn't talking about the past and the prussians. I was talking about present day. Hence the remainder of your response to that point is moot.Reality says

hmm, the "Old Europe" was very much governed, and over-governed. That's why many Europeans came to America, in order to escape the governments of Old Europe.

Most of " Old Europe" was not Democratic. Many of the countrys there were either still being overlorded by either monarcy, the church, or both. Hence why masses moved to the US where we ultimately adopted a representative-based democratic form of government, separated from the church. So just like your previous point, you have made none so far that have any validity since they aren't historically correct.Reality says

That is a very strange economic theory, running exactly in contrary to the very tenet of Wealth of Nations: it is the mutually willing exchanges by free individuals that create wealth, not coercion and looting

You were the one who mentioned "Looting", not I. Exactly how did you jump to that conclusion? Strange because our system uses a form of taxation. The revolution-contrary to a lot of what conservatives want everyone to believe, was not over taxes for the sake of taxes. It was over taxation without representation.

Like I said before, we are a democratic country that was founded on the principle of a shared society- meaning yes- we all pay taxes for the benefit of the whole. That's the way its always been so why this could be a surprise is confusing.

edvard2 says

There are also a perhaps equally large number of students who are also illiterate who go to private schools. I can say that the same as you made your statement since you lack any data to backup that claims.

A satement like that only goes to show your ignorance. Just because a statement is grammatically correct doesn't mean its content has any factual basis.

You need to understand the definition of Past and Present. I wasn't talking about the past and the prussians. I was talking about present day. hence the remainder of your response to that point is moot

Past is all the guide we have to the future. The standards we use today for measuring schools may well look as silly in the future as we today think of the "standards" that made Prussian System look great. Side note: IMHO, the penchant for standard test results that many other countries excel at may well soon prove to be highly detrimental to the molding of flexible and productive new members of society.

Most of " Old Europe" was not Democratic. Many of the countrys there were either still being overlorded by either monarcy, the church, or both. Hence why masses moved to the US where we ultimately adopted a representative-based democratic form of government, separated from the church. So just like your previous point, you have made none so far that have any validity since they aren't historically

Democracy and Tyranny of the Majority were nothing new to the Old Europe. The founding fathers explicitly warned against Democracy per se.

You were the one who mentioned "Looting", not I. Exactly how did you jump to that conclusion?

Taxation and regulation fundamentally are looting and coercion.

The revolution-contrary to a lot of what conservatives want everyone to believe, was not over taxes for the sake of taxes. It was over taxation without representation

Another string match idiot. Is that what they teach in public schools nowadays? The colonists were offered representation but rejected. "Without representation" was simply an excuse for the slogan. The real objection was to taxation.

Like I said before, we are a democratic country that was founded on the principle of a shared society- meaning yes- we all pay taxes for the benefit of the whole.

Now we are talking about a new religion here. "We all pay taxes for the benefit of the whole" sounds like something King George III would have told the colonists.