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mark.anania1 says

For those young people who do not want to pay for the care and feeding of the elders that built the house, water systems, schools, roads, hospitals et.al. they plan to use, just go set up on a hill top in a national forest and live off the grid - no affordable care act, no taxes, no shelter, no water - but what you do earn is all yours.

Sure thing, like the Amish getting assfucked by the government since going galt. It is the responsibility of every generation to live within their means and not live off future generations's credit cards.

freak80 says

Dan8267 says

And national policy on health care should not pit one generation against another.

Then again, our whole social security system is a form of generational theft...why should health care be any different?

That's what I was thinking. Who hates Social Security? Medicare?

These programs, and private insurance are always "subsidizing the sick or old" on the backs of the young and healthy. That's how they work and why they work, right?

The crux of the argument is essentially why don't the sick pay for themselves?

Why do my FICA taxes pay for someone else?

Well, why do I pay car insurance? I'm a good driver. The other guy should have it.

egads101 says

Why do I pay so much taxes for education, when I'm never having kids? Why do people with kids actually get a tax break, when they will use so many more resources?

There is an argument to be made for people to only have kids if they can afford them and pay for them, which they mostly do already if they make enough money. The problem is that the kids suffer once born, and they didn't do anything to deserve a life in poverty. This is a diffcult one with no easy solutions.

egads101 says

Or to put it simply, "grow the fuck up, you whiny milleniuls!"

This is asinine and has nothing to do with whether you pay taxes or not. You are paying taxes to fund the previous generations luscious expenses, your housing appreciation and your job. Not much to complain about for the oracle and not very mature for an elder insulting the millienials.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

Next Obumfuck will pass as executive order that all the Millennialoids will have to buy a house and pay the boomtards at least 10x what they paid and fucking blow them at the closing and Michelle Obama will show up at every closing shouting Allah Akubar and holding a hand-held Gatling gun to the victimized buyer's head until he swallows the whole load.

My favorite masturbation porno is what you just described.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

Next Obumfuck will pass as executive order that all the Millennialoids will have to buy a house and pay the boomtards at least 10x what they paid and fucking blow them at the closing and Michelle Obama will show up at every closing shouting Allah Akubar and holding a hand-held Gatling gun to the victimized buyer's head until he swallows the whole load.

Next ? Its already happened..

Sorry, I don't trust or believe the source.

Shows exactly how rumors rile up those easily swayed.

errc says

As a 32 year old, I've already shipped off over 50k to these mega corps black hole of rentier death. That needs to stop. Instead, the dems want to assure that over the next 40 years, that I ship off another half a million in lost wages to these wholly unnecessary assholes.

Get fucked you dumb motherfuckers

As a 32 year old, you don't know anything yet, and don't know it. Life has a way of showing you.

CL says

These programs, and private insurance are always "subsidizing the sick or old" on the backs of the young and healthy. That's how they work and why they work, right?

They only work when there are more people in the working ages than there are in retirement age, and the people in the working ages are being paid enough at least as much, in real terms, as the retired people used to be paid.

The aging population and lower birthrates in America and Japan are invalidating this model. The problem with the model of one generation pays for the prior generation (or two priors generations) is that it relies on every increasing population, which is not sustainable.

Yes, we should have social safety nets, but they should be ran in a sustainable manner. Any execution that relies on a particular resources, such as human capital, increasing indefinitely is doomed to fail, and when it does fail, it will do so at the point of maximum cost. If a system is going to fail, it's better for it to fail quickly when the costs of replacing it are smallest.

monkframe says

errc says

As a 32 year old, I've already shipped off over 50k to these mega corps black hole of rentier death. That needs to stop. Instead, the dems want to assure that over the next 40 years, that I ship off another half a million in lost wages to these wholly unnecessary assholes.

Get fucked you dumb motherfuckers

As a 32 year old, you don't know anything yet, and don't know it. Life has a way of showing you.

I know one thing is for certain, I'm getting absolutely RAPED on how much I (am now forced to pay) for private health insurance.

And sorry, your prying for an emotional guilt trip won't work on me. I'm too smart for that. But go right on ahead wishing something bad to happen to me, to prove me otherwise. Ill fight to the grave to make sure I never use any of the horseshit you's allow to be passed off as "healthcare".

errc says

And sorry, your prying for an emotional guilt trip won't work on me. I'm too smart for that. But go right on ahead wishing something bad to happen to me, to prove me otherwise. Ill fight to the grave to make sure I never use any of the horseshit you's allow to be passed off as "healthcare".

I agree with you that a lot of western - especially US - healthcare is fucked up. Most of the blame for this falls on the massive pharmaceutical industry. The food industry comes in a close second. But to write off all US healthcare as horseshit betrays your claim of being smart. It's reactionary and wrong. When I was your age I never went to the doctor but still had insurance with a 5000k deductible. Emergency care was not limited by the deductible, which was something I needed on occasion.