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thomaswong.1986 says

sounds like your in favor or Tax refunds...

What the heck are you talking about?

Strategist says

We have very few, which is why we import them from India and China.

You are kidding right?

tatupu70 says

ndigenous says

So Steve Jobs, Jeff Bezos, them Google fellers aren't smarter than the average bear? Please learn me some something regarding this?

I don't know. How about Paris Hilton? Kim Kardashian ?

So you equate Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian with the aforementioned? really? wow? I mean I'm sure they give good head but besides that WTF?

indigenous says

So you equate Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian with the aforementioned? really? wow? I mean I'm sure they give good head but besides that WTF?

We're talking about the rich, right? I equate them as all having lots of money.

That's my point--if you take a cross section of the 1%, most don't look like Gates or Bezos....

tatupu70 says

We're talking about the rich, right? I equate them as all having lots of money.

Well let me learn you something, one of the key skills in life is the ability to determine differences. This a basic tenet of logic. Do you see that Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian are different from the aforementioned?

indigenous says

Well let me learn you something, one of the key skills in life is the ability to determine differences. This a basic tenet of logic. Do you see that Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian are different from the aforementioned?

Of course. Again--that was my point. You seem to believe that all rich folks are like Gates and Bezos. The reality is that there are a LOT of them like Paris Hilton.

Do you see the point now?

tatupu70 says

Of course. Again--that was my point. You seem to believe that all rich folks are like Gates and Bezos. The reality is that there are a LOT of them like Paris Hilton.

Do you see the point now?

More often than not they resemble the former more than the later?

I don't recall the aforementioned with a but ugly piggmy yapper dog

The Gates and Bezos are the ones who created the wealth, while the Paris Hilton's are the ones who inherited it. As most billionaires will eventually pass on their wealth, we have to assume the Paris Hilton ones are larger in number.
Won't that be right?

Strategist says

The Gates and Bezos are the ones who created the wealth, while the Paris Hilton's are the ones who inherited it. As most billionaires will eventually pass on their wealth, we have to assume the Paris Hilton ones are larger in number.

Won't that be right?

Vastly less than your Berkeley ass would think.

indigenous says

Strategist says

The Gates and Bezos are the ones who created the wealth, while the Paris Hilton's are the ones who inherited it. As most billionaires will eventually pass on their wealth, we have to assume the Paris Hilton ones are larger in number.

Won't that be right?

Vastly less than your Berkeley ass would think.

Ouch!
Independents get kicked around by both sides, and they are the only ones who are seldom biased.

Strategist says

Ouch!

Independents get kicked around by both sides, and they are the only ones who are seldom biased.

I assume you are Roberto?

indigenous says

Strategist says

Ouch!

Independents get kicked around by both sides, and they are the only ones who are seldom biased.

I assume you are Roberto?

No. I've been constantly accused of being Roberto. I even offered a $1million reward for anyone who can prove I am Roberto. Made no difference.

Well you seem like another progressive is that also not true?

indigenous says

Well you seem like another progressive is that also not true?

Yes.
Independent, capitalist, atheist, animal lover, environmentalist and asshole.

Strategist says

indigenous says

Well you seem like another progressive is that also not true?

Yes.

Independent, capitalist, atheist, animal lover, environmentalist and asshole.

Ok than you will fit right in.

indigenous says

Strategist says

indigenous says

Well you seem like another progressive is that also not true?

Yes.

Independent, capitalist, atheist, animal lover, environmentalist and asshole.

Ok than you will fit right in.

Whew!
At times I felt like the only fire hydrant in a city full of dogs.

indigenous says

Strategist says

The Gates and Bezos are the ones who created the wealth, while the Paris Hilton's are the ones who inherited it. As most billionaires will eventually pass on their wealth, we have to assume the Paris Hilton ones are larger in number.


Won't that be right?

Vastly less than your Berkeley ass would think.

Strategist is, of course, correct. Haven't you ever heard of the term "old money"?

tatupu70 says

Of course. Again--that was my point. You seem to believe that all rich folks are like Gates and Bezos. The reality is that there are a LOT of them like Paris Hilton.

Do you see the point now?

Do people really think Paris Hilton is stupid?

She is her own brand, just like Hugh Hefner was half a century ago. It would not surprise me at all if there is a similar group of people behind the scene managing the brand for her, just like Hefner had.

If you want to see what a pretty "silly acting" girl without good brand management would be like, check out Lindsey Lohan. Heck even she probably had managers/sponsors behind the scene. Where do you think Operah gets her marching orders?

You may have to look into the zillions of lives lived out in the trailer parks to see what a pretty face without brand management would end up like, usually after one or more unintended pregnancies while on drugs.

The "silly pretty girl" is a good money maker right now largely because there is a tax-subsided demographic living vicariously through the celebrities. Without job prospect and no need to look for jobs, that demographic has a lot of time to waste in front of the TV. There is a lot of silly money there. That's why Paris Hilton gets $300k for showing up for product endorsement, and has an annual income around $10million from her own earnings. She is an actress 24/7, in her own "reality" sit-com!

Strategist says

The Gates and Bezos are the ones who created the wealth, while the Paris Hilton's are the ones who inherited it. As most billionaires will eventually pass on their wealth, we have to assume the Paris Hilton ones are larger in number.

Won't that be right?

Paris Hilton has not yet inherited anything from the Conrad Hilton Hotel fortune. Her father is still alive, and so is her grand-father. In any case, by the time she inherits anything from her father, she will probably have made more money on her own than her inheritance. In fact, even her father may well have made more money from his own real estate brokerage business than his share among zillions of Hiltons born to Conrad Hilton and then Barron Hilton (who had 8 children).

In case you did not know, the Hilton hotel chain has long been sold to the Blackstone private equity firm . . . The Hilton fortune itself had been crippled when TWA (Transworld Airline) went bankrupt in the early 1990's. Hilton mostly became just a brand. . . thanks to market competition from the likes of Marriot, Southwest Airline, etc..

Since when did the linguistics morph into an offbeat Swahili dialect?

Reality says

Strategist says

The Gates and Bezos are the ones who created the wealth, while the Paris Hilton's are the ones who inherited it. As most billionaires will eventually pass on their wealth, we have to assume the Paris Hilton ones are larger in number.

Won't that be right?

u mean like that trailer trash queen pamala anderson??

Reality says

You may have to look into the zillions of lives lived out in the trailer parks to see what a pretty face without brand management would end up like, usually after one or more unintended pregnancies while on drugs.

Reality.....
Paris Hilton has not yet inherited anything from the Conrad Hilton Hotel fortune. Her father is still alive, and so is her grand-father. In any case, by the time she inherits anything from her father, she will probably have made more money on her own than her inheritance. In fact, even her father may well have made more money from his own real estate brokerage business than his share among zillions of Hiltons born to Conrad Hilton and then Barron Hilton (who had 8 children).

Strategist......
Being the only heir I'm sure she has access to all the family's resources and money.
If she was not born a Hilton she would not have amounted to anything.
Her only natural skill is to be a street hooker.

Strategist says

Reality.....

Paris Hilton has not yet inherited anything from the Conrad Hilton Hotel fortune. Her father is still alive, and so is her grand-father. In any case, by the time she inherits anything from her father, she will probably have made more money on her own than her inheritance. In fact, even her father may well have made more money from his own real estate brokerage business than his share among zillions of Hiltons born to Conrad Hilton and then Barron Hilton (who had 8 children).

Strategist......

Being the only heir I'm sure she has access to all the family's resources and money.

If she was not born a Hilton she would not have amounted to anything.

Her only natural skill is to be a street hooker.

Are you kidding? You think Paris Hilton is the only heir to Conrad Hilton hotel fortune? Conrad Hilton founded Hilton Hotels, but gave away 97% of his fortune to charitable foundations when he died. Barron Hilton (son of Conrad) was the one who massively expanded Hilton Hotels, and is still alive, and has already pledged 97% of his fortune to charitable foundations just like his father had done. Barron Hilton has 8 children, and 15 grand children. Paris Hilton is one of the 23 waiting to split the 3% when Barron dies.

Paris Hilton is far more intelligent than what she lets on and what her brand management team projects about her. Blackstone bought the entire Hilton corporation for $20billion at the peak of the market in 2007. The vast majority of that money does not belong to the Hilton family, but to the charitable foundations, especially upon grand father Barron's death. At $10 million per year annual income, Paris Hilton is pulling in each year more than what she can possibly inherit in-total as one of the 23 heirs to Barron Hilton.

If the Hilton's gave away 97%, then I have newfound admiration for them.
I'm still not convinced Paris Hilton has any grey matter in her pretty head, but I could be wrong as the only source of information I get is from the media.
Beauty brains and millions - what a combo.

Reign in reckless commodity trading, to lower the cost of energy, raw materials, and food.

Would be greater than any economic stimulus package those clowns in Washington could ever draft.

Then address any business regulations that affords large corporations limited competition, while prohibiting smaller companies from ever getting a foothold to compete, because regulation priced them out.

Just those two things right there would create economic conditions parallel to 1995 though 2000. Which showed us, how the economy booms and flourishes, when every desk clerk and office secretary is just as capable of starting a million dollar business as the current Clientele at the Sunday late-night FED window.

I know, I know, you're going to mention the "Tech Bubble".

Yet here we are as Tech heavy as ever, the difference now is, the CEO's and controlling interests are a who's who of the rich and powerful and always were. And they are cutting off their slice, long before the day traders can ever cash in on any profit gains.

How many jobs might be created if we cut corporate and personal tax rates across the board by 50% for 2 years?

Analyzer says

How many jobs might be created if we cut corporate and personal tax rates across the board by 50% for 2 years?

Why would they create a job here , when they can create a job in China and still ship here with no restrictions??

To start I would get rid of all subsidies, this alone would balance the budget.

I would get rid of the FED and use a market based system to control money supply. Interest rates would be come from the market.

I would put the dollar on a gold standard.

I would abolish the alphabet soup fed agencies completely.

Taxes would be a flat tax

I would start a campaign to make everyone economically literate and in order to vote they would have to pass a test to that effect.

Is this politically possible nope, but I think the last one could be accomplished. You may laugh at this but consider that Thomas Paine sold 500,000 copies of "common sense" in 1776.

From there the tyranny of a democracy could be challenged.

lostand confused says

Analyzer says

How many jobs might be created if we cut corporate and personal tax rates across the board by 50% for 2 years?

Why would they create a job here , when they can create a job in China and still ship here with no restrictions??

China has to revalue the Yuan so manufacturing jobs are going to start leaving China.

indigenous says

To start I would get rid of all subsidies, this alone would balance the budget

Source?

indigenous says

I would get rid of the FED and use a market based system to control money supply. Interest rates would be come from the market.

I would put the dollar on a gold standard.

I would abolish the alphabet soup fed agencies completely.

Taxes would be a flat tax

That would make things infinitely worse.

indigenous says

I would start a campaign to make everyone economically literate and in order to vote they would have to pass a test to that effect.

lol--you don't like being able to vote?

Here is what is obvious to me, when you put extra money in the pockets of people they are inclined to spend it. Spending and consuming have become such a large part of our culture....

lostand confused says

Analyzer says

How many jobs might be created if we cut corporate and personal tax rates across the board by 50% for 2 years?

Why would they create a job here , when they can create a job in China and still ship here with no restrictions??

Seems to work for States who are poaching California jobs...

thomaswong.1986 says

lostand confused says

Analyzer says

How many jobs might be created if we cut corporate and personal tax rates across the board by 50% for 2 years?

Why would they create a job here , when they can create a job in China and still ship here with no restrictions??

Seems to work for States who are poaching California jobs...

Many CEO's have stated it is not the cheap labor rate that is the main incentive to outsource, rather the regulations and restrictions (e.g. Steve Jobs).

Analyzer says

Many CEO's have stated it is not the cheap labor rate that is the main incentive to outsource, rather the regulations and restrictions (e.g. Steve Jobs).

Of course that's what they say. Who's going to go on camera saying that they build factories in China because of the slave labor???

tatupu70 says

Analyzer says

Many CEO's have stated it is not the cheap labor rate that is the main incentive to outsource, rather the regulations and restrictions (e.g. Steve Jobs).

Of course that's what they say. Who's going to go on camera saying that they build factories in China because of the slave labor???

Are you implying the regulations and restrictions are of minimal impact? Why did most of the high tech manufacturing that stayed within the US move to areas such as TX, OR, AZ, NM out from California?

Analyzer says

Are you implying the regulations and restrictions are of minimal impact?

Yes, that's what I'm implying. Environmental regulations do have a cost to companies, but it's an order of magnitude less than labor cost. And while CA. usually leads the country in environmental matters, it's only a matter of time before other states catch up.

Analyzer says

Why did most of the high tech manufacturing that stayed within the US move to areas such as TX, OR, AZ, NM out from California?

First, I'm not sure that's the case. But, if it were, my guess is that there is a larger pool of people willing to work for cheaper wages.

tatupu70 says

indigenous says

Well let me learn you something, one of the key skills in life is the ability to determine differences. This a basic tenet of logic. Do you see that Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian are different from the aforementioned?

Of course. Again--that was my point. You seem to believe that all rich folks are like Gates and Bezos. The reality is that there are a LOT of them like Paris Hilton.

Do you see the point now?

Yep. Those Walton Family members are RICH. Remind me, what inventions did they patent?

tatupu70 says

Analyzer says

Are you implying the regulations and restrictions are of minimal impact?

Yes, that's what I'm implying. Environmental regulations do have a cost to companies, but it's an order of magnitude less than labor cost. And while CA. usually leads the country in environmental matters, it's only a matter of time before other states catch up.

Analyzer says

Why did most of the high tech manufacturing that stayed within the US move to areas such as TX, OR, AZ, NM out from California?

First, I'm not sure that's the case. But, if it were, my guess is that there is a larger pool of people willing to work for cheaper wages.

Intel CEO: Government Strangling High-Tech Growth:

http://www.newsmax.com/ErnestIstook/heritagefoundationsmallbusiness/2010/08/30/id/368705

Analyzer says

Intel CEO: Government Strangling High-Tech Growth:

http://www.newsmax.com/ErnestIstook/heritagefoundationsmallbusiness/2010/08/30/id/368705

tatupu70 says

Of course that's what they say. Who's going to go on camera saying that they build factories in China because of the slave labor???

Analyzer says

Intel CEO: Government Strangling High-Tech Growth:

http://www.newsmax.com/ErnestIstook/heritagefoundationsmallbusiness/2010/08/30/id/368705

These are the same people screaming about a domestic STEM talent shortage to justify importing more labor. Which of course depresses STEM compensation and boosts profits. Which boosts executive bonuses.

Same goes for said CEOs bitching about Government in the same way teens bitch about how their parent's rules are ruining their lives.