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Jealous Bitter Renters


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2005 Nov 16, 4:10am   33,210 views  151 comments

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This thread is dedicated to discussion of the many social ills caused by/resulting from renting: depression, homelessness, crime, unemployment, poverty, domestic violence, out of wedlock children, venereal disease, unnatural fondness for mullets & C/W music (or, cornrows & gangsta rap ), preference for public transportation, etc.

Chicken/egg question: which comes first --renting or the many malignant social problems associated with it?

Please share some amusing anecdotes about jealous bitter renters you're currently taking money from or have (reluctantly) had contact with. Have any of them recently tried to talk you out of a lucrative condo spec purchase, or discouraged you from engaging in bidding wars using no-doc I/O financing? Do they cringe when you tell them how much you made on a property you owned for less than three days? Do they blab on and on about "fundamentals", "negative cash-flow" and "rampant speculation"? That's what people like that do, you know. That's why they're called "jealous bitter renters".

Why are successful investors like us so much happier, more intelligent and irresistably attractive to the opposite sex? Is our ability to make a fortune flipping properties the result of superior genes or better breeding? Can jealous bitter renters be helped, or, are they doomed to commiserating with other losers in blogs like this forever?

Discuss, enjoy...
Bull$hitter

#crime

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139   HARM   2005 Nov 19, 3:32pm  

@Girgl,

$0 :lol:
Now THERE's a house even I can afford!

140   Allah   2005 Nov 20, 2:46am  

Neither were the S&Ls in the late 80’s.

S&Ls were explicitly protected by the FDIC....so they had to bail them out. I wish I had the capitol to buy RE back then when the RTC was auctioning off properties for pennies on the dollar...but I didn't....this time I will be ready though..

What is going to happen is anybodies guess, maybe they will get bailed out, but all I know is a bailout is not guaranteed.....and if us taxpayers are going to be stuck with the bill, who is going to be hit the hardest? Those who have no savings and are overextended right? This will worsen the problem even more by causing more foreclosures.

As far as where to put your money, the best place is different depending on who you ask. Some people say gold, but I think gold is overvalued already and if it falls, you will be one sorry fool! International investments are a good idea...warren seems to think so, but still in all, cash is king! I'm not saying keep all your money liquid, but all great investors have a good amount liquid. I feel that if you are planning on using your money as a down payment on a house, it will have more buying power when the RE prices fall so inflation isn't really a problem in this case. I believe that inflation will take off because of the FED keeping the rates too low for too long and then they will crank up the short term rates to fight it which will put a damper on the economy and plunge us into a recession.....but I believe in the long term, the dollar will come back. Paying $70 for a loaf of bread.....I don't think so, I cannot see inflation getting way out of hand without salaries going up tremendously and I seriously doubt that will happen. You can find articles that contradict what I say, but then you can find other articles that contradict that contradiction.

141   KurtS   2005 Nov 20, 10:44am  

"Ranging in space from about 140 to 500 square feet, they may come equipped with bathrooms or even a tiny kitchen. Some cost as much as $500,000, and those with better views or more prominent locations command the highest prices."

From the article Pbass linked to above.
Unless their cash flow is endless, some people are truly stupid with money.

142   Allah   2005 Nov 20, 12:22pm  

Answer: NOBODY. If you think otherwise, you won’t mind being caught with paper not backed unconditionally by the “full faith and credit” of the government. When the music stops, T-bills for me. Much safer than cash in the bank!

As far as the FDIC and banks are concerned, the money is explicitly backed by the “full faith and credit” of the government up to $100K per account....and it's a simple matter of running the printing press and saying "here's your money"......as far as MBS's...there is no explicit guarantee...but those who invested say "I think we're safe".

143   Allah   2005 Nov 20, 12:55pm  

harm...did a little research on LTCM. I thought you said they were bailed out? Here is a list of losers.

http://riskinstitute.ch/146520.htm

144   praetorian   2005 Nov 20, 3:05pm  

@ flak: Holidays, coupled with the fact that there isn't a whole lot to say except to watch the coaster head down the slope now.

@ the mob:

Go Bears.

Also, the difference between 512 MB and 1 Gig of memory on a Powerbook is like night and day. Safari is usable, to pick one small difference.

Cheers,
prat

145   Jamie   2005 Nov 20, 4:17pm  

"Everything’s tapering off around here. Is it just because of the holidays, or is everyone bubbled out?"

I bubbled out about a month or so ago and have taken to obsessing over other things, like the sad state of my pedicure. Oh, and terrorism. Stuff like that.

But seriously, I think this is just one of those lulls. We will be ranting and raving again soon. Perhaps even within hours. Or minutes!

146   Briana   2005 Nov 20, 4:36pm  

hi everyone,

i've been reading this blog for a couple of weeks, and tonight, i just feeling like joining in.....i'm noticing that santa clara county MLS inventory is going down(decreasing).....why is it slow in our area?....i was hoping to see alot of 4 sale signs this 4 day weekend....but it don't look like its going to happen.......every other county seems to be showing some kind of signs....except for santa clara county....anyone know why?....

147   OO   2005 Nov 20, 6:20pm  

That Cupertino Villa is a joke, it is not even in Cupertino, it is in Sunnyvale. And it doesn't even include the Monta Vista High school that every single SV Asian kid wants to go to, Cupertino High School is just a so-so school. I say this project is busted, not that such a apartment conversion would be successful in the first place.

148   HARM   2005 Nov 20, 7:13pm  

New thread: "Doing Your Part for the Bubble Bailouts"

149   Allah   2005 Nov 21, 1:38am  

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051120/NEWS/511200337/-1/NEWS01

"I think prices are pretty much what the market can bear," said Bill Palmer, of Claymont, who is selling a two-bedroom condominium in Paladin Club north of Wilmington. "Whoever buys now will get the best end of the stick."

Yeah....up their ass!

150   Allah   2005 Nov 26, 1:30am  

…….. how in the world does thig thing “rent to own” being peddeled in the Modesto Bee work? Please keep it simple so I can follow along. Thanks

Same thing as buying except for one major difference, when you rent with an option to buy and the bottom falls out, you can just leave....you are not forced to buy. When you buy with an IO loan(because you have to), when it falls you can walk away(like I know most will).....but your credit will be destroyed, your assets will be seized and your salary will be garnished for several years.

Sellers are so desperate now since they can't sell (no buyers), they have to rent the property instead using the (0%) chance that housing will not fall as a marketing strategy.

151   Allah   2005 Nov 26, 8:35am  

Bap33....I am not a realtor and If I was, I would need to know more about your area. All I can tell you is that I believe(and have read) that rent-to-own will be more popular in the near future due to the fact that many have overleveraged themselves and will soon realize that they cannot sell their way out of it. Every rent-to-own contract is different and each one may be (dis)advantageous to you in one way or another. If your looking to rent and someone is offering a rental payment comparable to any other rental of the same area (option to buy or not), I'd say go for it....but don't let the option be a reason for them to charge you more.....because house prices will drop quite a bit(along the coasts) and you will not want to buy....but if you like the monthly payment and you are not obligated to buy or there is no penalties involved on the contract, then go for it.....but then again, what is the advantage?

I am only interested in this because I find it amazing that the same home that would take a $2,500 payment can be offered at $1,000 as a rent to own.

Yes...this is quite strange, however the seller may be a speculator that may be in a serious financial bind and is desperate for someone to buy them time by getting at least part of the monthly payment from a renter. Why would they do that? Maybe (s)he realizes that we're at the top of the market and figures if (s)he could get someone in there for a while, it will help make the payments until the renter gets spooked by the drop in housing prices and bails out (and maybe excercises a stiff penalty for breaking the lease). If the house was purchased using an IO loan, his/her payments may be alot lower than you think right now, also some deals look too good to be true until you find out the details of the contract.

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