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indigenous says

I don't have a problem with what he said, so what. Is it in the same league with "I never sex with Monica"?

Bill Clinton did not lie. When asked if he had sexual relations, a euphemism for sexual intercourse, with Monica he rightly answered no. A person on trial is under no obligations to volunteer additional information to his prosecutors, especially ones with ill intent. The bottom line is that the Republicans fucked up, not Bill.

Furthermore, Bill Clinton getting a blow job in the oval office did not negatively affect your life at all. George Bush lying about Saddam having weapons of mass destruction and ties to 9/11 cost millions of lives and destroyed America's credibility and global good will, which is why we had to sit by as Syria and Crimea both went to hell. Bush's lies harmed America's national security. Clinton's refrain from giving Republicans rope to hang him with did not harm America at all.

Also, all the republicans attacking Clinton for having an affair were hypocritically having affairs themselves that went much farther. Newt Gingrich was fucking another woman while his wife was in the hospital with cancer. That's fucking low. Republicans have no moral high ground when it comes to sex scandals.

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

I mean, can I make it any easier to confirm that Paul Ryan is a lying sack of shit?

As usual you "have proved" nothing.

The facts I presented are:
1. Paul Ryan presented a story about a boy who was receiving food stamps but didn't want them.
2. The story was taken from a book called The Invisible Thread.
3. In the real story, the real boy was really asking for a brown bag because he didn't want the stigma of everyone knowing he was on food stamps.
4. The real man that boy grow into advocates food stamps usage to combat poverty.

How exactly did I fail to prove that Paul Ryan completely misrepresented the story and twisted its moral into the exact opposite of what it is? Please elaborate.

Simply asserting that someone has proved nothing proves nothing. That assertion is becoming the go-to cop-out for conservatives on this site. In the face of indisputable evidence, just say "ah, that proves nothing" and hope enough idiots believe you.

sbh says

Paul Ryan is nothing but a trickle downer who wants small government to shove ultrasound wands into the vaginas of American women after suppressing their rights to vote. That is to say, he's nothing new to the GOP or conservatism.

I'm beginning to think that GOP stands for Gross Old Perverts.

sbh says

You're trying to split hairs in order to defend Ryan? You're advocating the coercion and theft and slavery of government in order to prop up Ryan? Social security is evil, and only fascist sheep takers are willing to gobble up the fruits of honest labor. You're shameful. You're a communist.

An underage kid who's father paid into those benefits. Bullshit

sbh says

You're willing to take a big government position, advocating intrusion into both the liberty and body cavity in order to defend Ryan?

You are not willing to look at both sides

indigenous says

Are you too confusing opinion with fact?

Yes, I am confusing Republican opinion that tax-funded activities are a drag on our economy and free American lifestyle with the lifestyles of those who promote such 'freedom' values: paid government employees enjoying government sponsored health care and retirements. Paul Ryan has been one all his life. His only foray into the private sector was college, which he paid for from his social security survivor benefits.

Once he stops using my tax dollars to spew his bullshit values around the country, I'll leave him alone.

Dan8267 says

I'm beginning to think that GOP stands for Gross Old Perverts.

Once the Old retire and spend down social security and medicare to zero, they will proclaim 'mission accomplished' and fall into the ground, successfully removing government intervention from 'merica.

indigenous says

Comedy, by definition, is pointing out things that don't make sense.

Comedy often point out things are painfully obvious and make complete sense. Your premise is wrong.

indigenous says

Entertainment like Stewart's show does not create knowledge

The Daily Show presents the utter hypocrisy of politicians on both sides. However, Republicans are far worse than Democrats, and their hypocrisy is so much more abundant. This is why conservative hate The Daily Show. It shines a spotlight on the batshit crazy and the hypocrisy of the Republican party and Jon Stewart can tear about the bullshit talking points with such clarity and simplicity that the Republicans can't lie their way out of guilt.

And that is exactly why conservatives loathe The Daily Show. The clip in the original post is a perfect example. All the right-wing nut jobs on this site are attacking The Daily Show, but not saying anything about the actual clip presented. It's easy to talk generic shit that doesn't apply and hope it sticks. It's a lot harder to site specifics, isn't it?

The video clip in the original post is indisputable and easy to confirm. You can't attack that, so try flinging irrelevant and false attacks at the t.v. show in general and hope people are dumb enough to believe your attacks and conclude that they should ignore the clip because of them, neither of which any logical person would do.

Let's count the logical fallacies.
1. Red Herring
2. Appeal to Ridicule
3. Guilt By Association
4. Poisoning the Well
5. Division

Wow, you've really racked up those fallacies.

Dan8267 says

Bill Clinton did not lie. When asked if he had sexual relations, a euphemism for sexual intercourse, with Monica he rightly answered no. A person on trial is under no obligations to volunteer additional information to his prosecutors, especially ones with ill intent. The bottom line is that the Republicans fucked up, not Bill.

Yes truly, what integrity.

Dan8267 says

Furthermore, Bill Clinton getting a blow job in the oval office did not negatively affect your life at all.

Yup if he is doing that in the white house what else has he done?

The point is what Ryan said is not in the same universe as what Clinton did.

Dan8267 says

The facts I presented are:

1. Paul Ryan presented a story about a boy who was receiving food stamps but didn't want them.

2. The story was taken from a book called The Invisible Thread.

3. In the real story, the real boy was really asking for a brown bag because he didn't want the stigma of everyone knowing he was on food stamps.

If you say so, but yes truly ghastly an embellished story, so fucking what.

Dan8267 says

4. The real man that boy grow into advocates food stamps usage to combat poverty.

So you conflate what this boy did at a latter date as Ryan's responsibility. Yea that makes sense...

Dan8267 says

That assertion is becoming the go-to cop-out for conservatives on this site. In the face of indisputable evidence, just say "ah, that proves nothing" and hope enough idiots believe you.

Funny stuff I don't think have ever lost an argument with you.

JH says

Once the Old retire and spend down social security and medicare to zero, they will proclaim 'mission accomplished' and fall into the ground, successfully removing government intervention from 'merica.

Says the mutt who is on his 3rd avatar.

Dan8267 says

The Daily Show presents the utter hypocrisy of politicians on both sides. However, Republicans are far worse than Democrats, and their hypocrisy is so much more abundant. This is why conservative hate The Daily Show. It shines a spotlight on the batshit crazy and the hypocrisy of the Republican party and Jon Stewart can tear about the bullshit talking points with such clarity and simplicity that the Republicans can't lie their way out of guilt.

100% opining

Dan8267 says

1. Red Herring

Name it.

Dan8267 says

Appeal to Ridicule

Name it.

Dan8267 says

Guilt By Association

Indicate the integrity or lack of...

Dan8267 says

Poisoning the Well

Division

Name em.

sbh says

Why do you hate freedom?

I'm demoting you from mutt to gimp

indigenous says

The point is what Ryan said is not in the same universe as what Clinton did.

That's right. Clinton kept the peace and America prospered throughout his presidency. He did a great job.

In contrast, Ryan's lies are meant to be used to cut food stamps and thus cause millions of poor children to be malnourished. You can't compare that to Clinton getting a blow job and not bragging about it to Congress. Paul Ryan is evil and wants to literally hurt children. Clinton got a hummer. Only an idiot would suggest that Clinton's actions were anyway near as horrendous as Paul Ryan's.

indigenous says

If you say so, but yes truly ghastly an embellished story, so fucking what.

You're not being clear. Is that a pussy way of admitting you were wrong when you said "As usual you "have proved" nothing.", or are you doubling down on stupidity by still holding to the position that this post has not proved that Paul Ryan is a liar?

indigenous says

Funny stuff I don't think have ever lost an argument with you.

Oh, so you are doubling down on stupidity.

indigenous says

Name it.

1. Red Herring

You tried to distract from the Paul Ryan speech by ridiculing The Daily Show for being a comedy show. It is irrelevant who or what show presented the video clip, the video is an unedited and fully contextual segment of Paul Ryan's actual speech and thus does reflect his actions.

2. Appeal to Ridicule

You state that the Daily Show is a comedy show, therefore nothing it says can be considered truthful or taken seriously. This simply isn't so. The Paul Ryan speech and Jon Stewart's revelations about it are important and accurate.

3. Guilt By Association

You tried to convince people that because the clip was played on a comedy show, the clip is invalid. You also tried to convince people that merely being associated with comedians invalidates political analysis.

4. Poisoning the Well

You tried to convince people that nothing coming from The Daily Show can be taken seriously even though the content in question most certainly can.

5. Division

You implied that because The Daily Show is comedy overall, every segment must be comical and thus not serious. This simply isn't true as illustrated by this interview with 9/11 responders reacting to the Republican filibuster of a bill to save the lives of 9/11 responders.

Have you learned your lesson? Never call my hand. I never bluff.

Dan8267 says

That's right. Clinton kept the peace and America prospered throughout his presidency. He did a great job.

He went to Kosovo. He did good on the finance because of Gingrich and coincidence of the Tech boom.

Dan8267 says

In contrast, Ryan's lies are meant to be used to cut food stamps and thus cause millions of poor children to be malnourished.

There are 47 million people on food stamps but you characterize this as starving children?

While missing the point that he is making about co-opting the citizens.

Dan8267 says

You're not being clear. Is that a pussy way of admitting you were wrong when you said "As usual you "have proved" nothing.", or are you doubling down on stupidity by still holding to the position that this post has not proved that Paul Ryan is a liar?

You are trying to say that embellishing is a heinous crime. Bullshit.

Dan8267 says

Oh, so you are doubling down on stupidity.

Just the facts...

Dan8267 says

You tried to distract from the Paul Ryan speech by ridiculing The Daily Show for being a comedy show. It is irrelevant who or what show presented the video clip, the video is an unedited and fully contextual segment of Paul Ryan's actual speech and thus does reflect his actions.

Cept that is Stewart's MO. But you are making out to heinous, bullshit.

Dan8267 says

You state that the Daily Show is a comedy show, therefore nothing it says can be considered truthful or taken seriously. This simply isn't so. The Paul Ryan speech and Jon Stewart's revelations about it are important and accurate.

Comedy by definition points out violations of logic.

Dan8267 says

You tried to convince people that because the clip was played on a comedy show, the clip is invalid. You also tried to convince people that merely being associated with comedians invalidates political analysis

Would people find the speech funny if not colored by Stewart?

Dan8267 says

You tried to convince people that nothing coming from The Daily Show can be taken seriously even though the content in question most certainly can.

That's right so what.

Dan8267 says

Have you learned your lesson? Never call my hand. I never bluff.

Don't flatter yourself.

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

That's right. Clinton kept the peace and America prospered throughout his presidency. He did a great job.

He went to Kosovo. He did good on the finance because of Gingrich and coincidence of the Tech boom.

Compared to the numerous wars Bush started that kill over a million people, the Clinton years were the most peaceful in American history since before WWII.

And the tech boom was largely due to Al Gore opening up networks.

Game, set, match the Clinton administration.

Go ahead and continue to lie about historical facts. Reality is well documented.

indigenous says

There are 47 million people on food stamps but you characterize this as starving children?

NoKidHungry.org

48.8 million Americans—including 16.2 million children— live in households that lack the means to get enough nutritious food on a regular basis. As a result, they struggle with hunger at some time during the year.

Child Welfare League of America

Thirty-three million people-including 13 million children-live in households that experience hunger or the risk of hunger. This represents one in ten households in the United States (10 percent).

7.3 percent of U.S. households are at risk of hunger: they have lower quality diets or must resort to seeking emergency food because they cannot always afford the food they need. 24.7 million people, including 9.9 million children, live in these homes.

Lousina State University Agricultural Center

Some 13 million children in the United States live in homes with limited access to a sufficient food supply. Children are being aided substantially by food stamps. In more than 800 counties nationwide, one in three children is getting this critical nutrition assistance. In the mid-American cities of St. Louis, Memphis, and New Orleans, half the children get food stamp (SNAP) benefits. Even in Peoria, Illinois – the proverbial Everytown, USA – the figure is 40 percent. In the Bronx, 46 percent of children are on food stamps. In East Carroll Parish, Louisiana, SNAP helps three in four children. A new generation of research demonstrates a direct link between inadequate food supply and a poorer overall health status among U.S. children, according to LSU AgCenter food and nutrition expert Dr. Annrose Guarino.

Guarino says insufficient food supply is associated with an increased incidence of behavior problems in adolescents, including higher levels of aggression, hyperactivity and anxiety. Research reveals that food-insecure children have greater difficulty getting along with other children, increased chances of being suspended from school and a greater need for mental health counseling.

Previous research has demonstrated that continuous lack of food can result in malnutrition over time, and even the mildest form of malnutrition can limit a child’s ability to understand basic skills and reduce overall learning potential. For example, children from food-insecure households did not perform as well on academic achievement tests as did children from food-secure households.

indigenous, you are both ignorant and heartless.

To everyone else, this is why we should never put a Republican in any office every again.

Dan8267 says

And the tech boom was largely due to Al Gore opening up networks.

Al Bore took credit for one piece of legislation in 91, but to say that was inventing the internet is absurd. Investment in the internet is what created it.

Dan8267 says

Game, set, match

Get your head out your ass.

Rather than a small percentage of the people being on food stamps you would have over half of the population subsidized in one form or another by the government which will lead to people who are dependent on the state. Then it will be game set match for the whole fucking country. The equality meme is just that and will lead to a failed state.

Dan8267 says

indigenous, you are both ignorant and heartless.

What you advocate is exactly why people should listen to the Ryan rhetoric as it points to the real danger, as the internet that you are so happy to credit government with, which ignores the real reason for the success, the free market.

sbh says

mental rothtardation: Ryan is a god because he wants to bang the Ayn Rand's corpse and register fetuses as Republicans.

This is the extent of your argument, you never get above name calling...

Ryan is no libertarian, no conservative, no Ayn Rand objectivist- he is merely a politician as this clip demonstrates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQUi5GhLoR4

Dan8267 says

To everyone else, this is why we should never put a Republican in any office every again.

or a democrat!

I usually don't pay attention once I hear empty campaign buzz words such as War on women, voter suppression, anti-woman, anti-gay, racist, etc...

smaulgld says

Ryan is no libertarian, no conservative, no Ayn Rand objectivist- he is merely a politician as this clip demonstrates:

The only point is he is at least talking about getting the budget reduced.

Good debating guys, it's enjoyable. :)

FortWayne says

I usually don't pay attention....

Ryan is most of those, but what made me laugh was how FortHood used his only comment on this whole thread to turn this into "yet another gay thread." He's still angry and frightened that his TV has been taken over by black people. Forthood, you needn't remind us all of your obsessions; I had not forgotten you.

indigenous says

The only point is he is at least talking about getting the budget reduced.

no he's not-he's talking about getting it reduced in future years which has no binding effect on future congresses.
He is a fake budget cutter

curious2 says

FortWayne says

I usually don't pay attention....

Ryan is most of those, but what made me laugh was how FortHood used his only comment on this whole thread to turn this into "yet another gay thread." He's still angry and frightened that his TV has been taken over by black people. Forthood, you needn't remind us all of your obsessions; I had not forgotten you.

Let me know when that Obama coolaid wears off and you come to your senses.

indigenous says

JH says

Once the Old retire and spend down social security and medicare to zero, they will proclaim 'mission accomplished' and fall into the ground, successfully removing government intervention from 'merica.

Says the mutt who is on his 3rd avatar.

That's pretty relevant to this thread.

drew_eckhardt says

Getting something back for the 12.4% of his parents' salary which went into Social Security isn't leeching, although I expect he'd have been MUCH better off if the same money had been used for private investments and life insurance

I spend 1.27% of my wages subject to Social Security on a life insurance policy which pays out 4.6X.

And if your "private" life insurance policy paid out to everyone, it would pay out less. Rather, it only pays out to those who elect to pay in (many of whom elect because they can afford).

I pay 0.1% of my income for a $600k policy. If all of America paid 0.1% of their income toward social security, the policy would be worth toilet paper.

But ok, Paul Ryan deserved his money. So, let's means test social security this way: only those who paid in enough deserve any of it back (with interest). I'm down with that, because by the time I'm 67 there won't be shit left for me, but I and my employers will have been paying in since I was 16; that's 51 years. And if I'm not alive at 67, I expect my kids to inherit every fucking penny of it.

Yet if the grand old fuckers have it there way there will be nothing left once they are finished with it.

Bottom line: there is no such argument that some deserve social security and some don't...just doesn't work that way.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Ryan took money from a socialist criminal enterprise and has made no indication that he will return it with interest or throw himself off of a bridge in the name of Freedom. How can he call himself an American?

Those people are not socialists, they are just assholes who think that if you are not rich you should lose your social security and die quietly somewhere in the corner, just so they could keep their taxes lower.

Socialists are the assholes on the other side, who think we should all be beaten into equal poverty along with several million illegals they'd like to legalize and put on welfare.

sbh says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

he will return it with interest or throw himself off of a bridge

You pick the bridge and I'll bring the woodchipper. I'll even toss in a tub of Velveta. (He's a cheesehead isn't he?) The nachos that come out the end of the chute we'll feed to the starving foodstampers.

Wow - I hadn't thought of that, but it gives me an idea. Unlike most Republicans, Ryan has a fair amount of lean meat, enough to feed a family in Janesville for the better part of a week. If you chip him into the school lunch program, a Republican would finally be doing something to promote education.

curious2 says

I hadn't thought of that

Yes this is true of much of what sbh spews.

BTW what is your definition of education?

smaulgld says

Dan8267 says

To everyone else, this is why we should never put a Republican in any office every again.

or a democrat!

Unfortunately, Wolf's Dilemma makes that impossible unless we change elections to how I have proposed in prior threads.

FortWayne says

I usually don't pay attention once I hear empty campaign buzz words such as War on women, voter suppression, anti-woman, anti-gay, racist, etc...

Honestly, if you don't think there is systematic voter suppression in this country, you are either a fool or a racist. Take your pick.

Voter suppression is embarrassingly obvious in this country. It makes me feel shame for America.

On the other hand:

My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative.

He voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago .

Since then he has voted Democrat.

indigenous says

BTW what is your definition of education?

PatNet, of course :)

curious2 says

PatNet, of course :)

Well you will get both sides of the story that way, the street smart Austrians and the mutts...

Single Bitch Hoe??

indigenous says

sbh says

He's never held a job in the real world in his life. He's the epitome of hypocrisy. Maybe that's why you like him, nae?

Fetch some facts. Otherwise you are what you appear to be.

smaulgld says

Ryan is no libertarian, no conservative, no Ayn Rand objectivist- he is merely a politician as this clip demonstrates:

Something was pointed out to me about Ryan, congress is deadlocked because of ideologues, unwilling to compromise. My congressman said he was retiring because of this problem.

The US is circling the drain and at an increasing rate of speed. Maybe compromise is in order?

It would be better to have a stalemate?