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Strategist says

To me all Islamists are the same. Nothing but trouble. We have to expel them from this planet.

Hizbollah don't like Salafyi or Wahabism terrorist nuts or the rest of the terror-exporting Gulf States. The Wahabi scum call them "Hezboshaytan", or "Hezbo-Satan".

The Shi'a aren't exporting terrorism, it's our "Friend" Saudi Arabia, along with Qatar, that are the primary financiers of terrorism from Afghanistan to Sudan to Nigeria.

Yellowcake. We have 30 minutes before a Chemical Attack by SCUDs. The USS Maddox was attacked by Torpedo Boats. The War will be paid for with Iraqi Oil. The Lusitania's July cargo of Unfrigerated Butter, Lard, and Furs from Dupont Corporation was not a euphemism. The School of the Americas doesn't teach torture. The release of the hostages before the election was a coincidence. We didn't help Saddam get chemical weapons. The F-35 is going to be the greatest aircraft ever built. The AV-8B and OV-22 aren't flying coffins. The Big Dig will come in under budget, along with the Littoral Combat Ship. Cops are your friends, only criminals want to take your rights. Mission Accomplished. Eat a high carb, low fat diet to fight obesity and diabetes. Cash is old fashioned. You can have it all. I got rich by building up companies and creating wealth and jobs. They're not refugees, they're just visiting relatives across the border. How dare Brazil charge so much for a Visa! Fracking will allow us to export LNG. We're only looking at the metadata of foreign agents.

thunderlips11 says

The Rebels don't have an ATC or any kind of organized Air Defence.

They have full infrastructure of Russian air defense forces at their disposal: the plane has been shot down ~50 km from the border which is well within radio link distance (they also can link by phone and even telegraph lines). BUK is capable of receiving guidance from long-distance radar systems. In fact, the SOP is to receive external guidance and use its own rudimentary guidance system for backup only when there is no link.

Straw Man says

They have full infrastructure of Russian air defense forces at their disposal: the plane has been shot down ~50 km from the border which is well within radio link distance (they also can link by phone and even telegraph lines). BUK is capable of receiving guidance from long-distance radar systems. In fact, the SOP is to receive external guidance and use its own rudimentary guidance system for backup when there is no link.

Prior to this, have the Rebels shot anything down outside of MANPAD range? Nope.

Prior to this, has the Ukie Military shot down civilian aircraft by mistake in recent years*? Yep.

Did Ukie have BUKs in the Donbass Region? Yep.

Did those Ukie BUKs have direct radar and guidance vehicles a few meters away from them? Yep.

Did the alleged Rebel BUKs have direct radar and guidance systems hooked up a few meters away? Nope.

Why did the Ukie BUKs disappear the very next day from their positions? No Idea.

Why did Ukie ATC allow the plane to fly over a War Zone?
Why did Ukie ATC order MH17 to fly lower over the war zone?
Why haven't Ukie ATC records been released yet? SBU took them within hours.
Why was a Ukie Su-25 climbing towards MH17?

* and spent 8 days denying it.

thunderlips11 says

Prior to this, have the Rebels shot anything down outside of MANPAD range? Nope

Yes, AN-26 on July 14th at 22000ft. And bragged on the net that it was done with direct guidance from Russia. If you read Russian, read this guy, for example: https://yurasumy.livejournal.com/112924.html?thread=16320540

Pay attention to this fragment:

"Сегодня у ополченцев состоялось боевое крещение новых мощных систем ПВО "Бук" (Ан-26). Не видели? Ну вот и хорошо, что не видели. Зато они кого надо, того увидели и "угостили". Теперь на высоте не скроешься. Даже несколько "Буков", при надлежащей,невидимой (ну не видимы радиолучи из России) информационной поддержке могут надежно прикрыть небо республик в зоне боев (дальность 20 км, высота 16 км).
Поясняю: РЛС стоят в России, возле границы. "Светят" цели для "Буков" постоянно. Ответки не боятся. Почти полигонные условия."

Do you want me translate this or you can do it yourself?

komputodo says

Strategist says

Yet. Eventually we will have the evidence. Common sense says it's the rebels.

So you are saying that you actually believe what they tell you on the NEWS? That's ok if you do, I am not judging, just curious..

You are actually believing what the Russian media is saying. Are we being hypocritical here? I'm not judging either.
You don't have to dismiss everything the media says, just because they say it. They could be right too.

thunderlips11 says

Yellowcake. We have 30 minutes before a Chemical Attack by SCUDs. The USS Maddox was attacked by Torpedo Boats. The War will be paid for with Iraqi Oil. The Lusitania's July cargo of Unfrigerated Butter, Lard, and Furs from Dupont Corporation was not a euphemism. The School of the Americas doesn't teach torture. The release of the hostages before the election was a coincidence. We didn't help Saddam get chemical weapons. The F-35 is going to be the greatest aircraft ever built. The AV-8B and OV-22 aren't flying coffins. The Big Dig will come in under budget, along with the Littoral Combat Ship. Cops are your friends, only criminals want to take your rights. Mission Accomplished. Eat a high carb, low fat diet to fight obesity and diabetes. Cash is old fashioned. You can have it all. I got rich by building up companies and creating wealth and jobs.

I'm worried about you Thunderlips, what web sites have you been visiting?

thunderlips11 says

Prior to this, have the Rebels shot anything down outside of MANPAD range? Nope.

Prior to this, has the Ukie Military shot down civilian aircraft by mistake in recent years*? Yep.

Did Ukie have BUKs in the Donbass Region? Yep.

Did those Ukie BUKs have direct radar and guidance vehicles a few meters away from them? Yep.

Did the alleged Rebel BUKs have direct radar and guidance systems hooked up a few meters away? Nope.

Why did the Ukie BUKs disappear the very next day from their positions? No Idea.

So what....That's not proof of anything.thunderlips11 says

Why did Ukie ATC allow the plane to fly over a War Zone?

Why did Ukie ATC order MH17 to fly lower over the war zone?

Why haven't Ukie ATC records been released yet? SBU took them within hours.

Why was a Ukie Su-25 climbing towards MH17?

Who know. Still not evidence.