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Same-sex marriages are no different. In fact, a gay couple can conceive children. Lesbians can use in vitro fertilizationâ€Ž. Gay men can use surrogate mothers. In the not-so-distant future, it will be easy to combing the DNA of two eggs or two sperm so that both members of the same-sex couple can be biological parents. So your reproduction argument is utter bullshit and thinly veils your bigotry.

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it is preferable. Like I keep asking and you are too chicken to answer, should the State adopt children to a gay or straight couple if all things are equal between the two couples?

Wasn't long ago when Progs were saying that "one loving mother with State assistance" is good enough to raise children without a father. Now look at the dramatic increase in income inequality and destruction of the African American family with all these single mothers living on welfare and a life of poverty with no fathers around.

Nice job Progs! Let's keep tinkering with the very foundation of civilization, pretending there are no physical and psychological differences between the sexes and see how much more we can fuck things up and blame it on evil Corporations!

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 1:59pm

CaptainShuddup says

socal2 says

Many thinking people can be tolerant of gays but also support traditional marriage without being a bigot.

No it's impossible Dan and them said so.

That's right because it's exactly like saying, "many thinking people can be tolerant of African Americans but still support segregation and bans on interracial marriages".

CaptainShuddup says

They don't just want Gay marriages, they want to find the most religious people to refuse to bake them a cake so they sue the living pants off of them, and make a few bucks or gain some political feathers.

If you have a business license and have a storefront in a commercial zoned area, your business does not get to discriminate against customers because of bigotry. There is no difference between a business that refuses to service gay people and one that refuses to service blacks. And it's been long established that you can't do that.

Land is ultimately community property. There is limited spaces for businesses. Any storefront or bar that takes up space in a community, by necessity, crowds out competitors. Furthermore, the competitive nature of business also crowds out alternatives. For these reasons, it was made illegal for a bar, bakery, or other business to refuse to give service to any minority (women, blacks, the Irish, Jews, or gays).

Are you conservatives actually arguing that businesses that require business licenses to operating in a city or town should be allowed to discriminate against any group they want to? Should they be allowed to say "No JEWS or NIGGERS allowed"? You are either arguing that or your being a hypocrite for not opposing the same bigotry against gays.

CaptainShuddup says

Probably has more to do with daddy didn't love them, more than they really give a good honest crank what you or I think about gay marriage.

Sounds like your projecting.

You want to know why we liberals are so adamant about accepting systemic state discrimination against gays? It's quite simple. We are true Americans who believe in the principles are nation was allegedly founded upon. The principle that all persons are created equal with certain inalienable rights including the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Just because you conservative scum do not believe in American principles, doesn't mean that the rest of us don't.

I don't need to have a vested interest in any group to want the people in that group to have equality under law. Any true American believes in complete and absolute equality under law. It's the single most defining characteristic of our society. All of American history has been a series of reforms that did away with inequality and privileges under law. And if conservatives were even slightly patriotic, in the truest sense of the word, they would be rallying along side liberals for equality for all.

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 2:07pm

I'd rather have some gays in the GOP than all the rapists and pedophiles that are in the Democrat party. We can throw on killers if we count Ted Kennedy!

No, you are again thinking of Republicans and conservatives. [And pre-Southern-Strategy Dixicrates are conservative Republicans.]

Take for example, Strom Thurmond, the posterboy for conservatism, the guy who filibustered the Civil Rights Act. He's a known pedophile who raped a 15-year-old girl. Are you going to condone that?

In fact, conservatives have a very long history of rape and pedophilia. How many of those are you going to defend? And that list doesn't include the 300 years of raping child slaves that conservatives committed.

As for murder, Nixon and Bush come to mind as the biggest mass murderers in American history.

List of Republican Child Rapists, Adulterers, and Sex Offenders

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.
Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.
Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was charged with molesting his 9-year old step-daughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial.
Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.
Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency.
Republican serial killer Ted Bundy was hired by the Republican Party
Republican activist Matthew Glavin, who preached family values, was caught masturbating in public and fondling an undercover park ranger
Republican Party Chairman Sam Walls, who is married, was urged to drop his candidacy for Congress when it was found he likes to dress up in women's clothing
Republican Congressman Edward Schrock resigned from Congress after he was caught searching for sex on a gay telephone service
Republican Mayor Jim West Republican voter Timothy McVeigh bombed Oklahoma City championed an anti-gay agenda, but was later found to be gay himself
Republican preacher Jimmy Swaggart preached fidelity, but cheated on his wife with a prostitute
Republican Congressman Bob Livingston was about to vote for impeaching President Clinton for sexual improprieties until it was disclosed he was an adulterer
Republican Congressman Henry Hyde denounced President Clinton's extramarital affair, but was later found to be an adulterer himself
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren,
has told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girl.
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
Republican Mayor John Gosek, 58, of 275 West 7th Street, Oswego, was arrested for the federal offense of "using a facility in inte-state commerce (a telephone) to knowingly attempt to persuade, induce, entice, and coerce an individual under the age of 18 years to engage in sexual activity for which he could be charged with criminal offenses, that is, rape in the third degree and criminal sexual act in the third degree" in violation of the New York State Penal Code.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a juvenile and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks, an advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Republican preacher Stephen White was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews of Houston was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican St. Louis Election Board official Kevin Coan was arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet.
Republican politician Andrew Buhr, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland, a Tennessee state representative, was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15 year old girl.
Republican legislator, Richard Gardner, a Nevada state representative, admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. Of course it's no contest! How could he even get a fair fight against those activist judges!
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor. - That's the culture of life we all know and love!
Defense contractor, Mitchell Wade, admitted that he paid California Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham (republican) more than $1 million in bribes in exchange for millions more in government contracts.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his 9 yr old daughter.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano serving a 37-year sentence for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge sentenced to 3 years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. I'm sure he had a good explanation.
Republican racist pedophile and esteemed US Senator Strom Thurmond fathered a chiled with a 15-year old black girl.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to sexual relations with a juvenile. Praise George!
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having inappropriate relations with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican activist Lawrence E King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens found guilty of sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on 6counts of child sex crimes.
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child. Look, he didn't actually do anything. He only TRIED! You can't fault a republican for trying!
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter. Prai$e the lord!
Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28. I love this country!
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. Now I'm sure he can give us a good explanation for this.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. Obviously a liberal conspiracy!
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD. He was obviously trying to help this woman! Do you liberals no shame!Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. Look! It was his own son. Geez you liberals are SICK!
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. He was trying to explain to her what NOT to do when in a difficult situation!
Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl. She could have turned away.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her. Liberal jury of course.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison. Now how could anyone rape their daughter 6 times! Can you say Liberal psycologist!
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl. Obviously set up by a liberal computer hacker. These hackers no NO SHAME!
Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). You see, actually he happened to be changing out of his bathing suit when these kids walked by.
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child. He pleaded guilty only to keep his family out of the liberal media's spotlight.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl. She was eighTEEN. That's still a teenager!
Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters. He only had their interests in mind. Why don't you liberals see that!
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. No comment.
Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women. Philanthrapy at it's finest!
Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. That boy was a liberal trying to corrupt his mind. He did the right thing.
Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. He did the honorable thing and did his time.
Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. Lies. Lies! All liberal lies!
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession. Obviously set up by that liberal media!
Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. Who said republicans were sexist!
The deputy press secretary for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security was arrested
Tuesday, April 04, 2006, for using the Internet to seduce what he thought was a teenage
girl, authorities said. Rep. Brian J. Doyle, 55, was arrested in Maryland where he lives
on charges of use of a computer to seduce a child and transmission of harmful material
to a minor. The charges were issued out of Polk County, Fla.
Republican anti-abortion activist Neal Horsley admitted to having sex with a mule.
A judge on Wednesday, 04-05-06, allowed a lawsuit to proceed against Jessica Cutler, the
former Senate aide who posted details of her sex life on the Internet. The case brought
by REPUBLICAN Sen. Mike DeWine's former counsel to the Senate Judiciary Committee,
Robert Steinbuch, alleges that Cutler engaged in an invasion of his privacy in 2004
by publishing sexually explicit facts about a relationship with Steinbuch.
REPUBLICAN Otis O'Neal Horsley (born 1944) is an American political figure of the far REPUBLICAN right.
He is the author of christiangallery.com, a website devoted to his advocacy of militant anti-abortion,
secessionist, and anti-gay views. Last night, May 09, 2005, anti-abortion extremist
Neal Horsley was a guest on The Alan Colmes Show, a FOX News radio program. The topic
was an interesting one - whether or not an internet service provider should allow Horsley
to post the names of abortion doctors on his website. Horsley does that as a way of
targeting them and one doctor has been killed. In the course of the interview, however,
Colmes asked Neal Horsley about his background, including a statement that he had admitted to
engaging in homosexual and bestiality sex, including having sex with a MULE!
Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison. If you do the crime, you do the time + 1.
Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter. He just wanted to keep an eye out for those girls...and his daughter. He even had pictures to prove it!
Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
Rev. C. Stephen White -- better known on Penn's campus as "Brother Stephen" -- will face
trial on charges of soliciting sex from a 14-year-old boy, according to the West Chester
District Attorney's office. At a preliminary hearing held Aug. 12, White pleaded not
guilty to charges of criminal solicitation, criminal attempt to lure a child into a motor
vehicle and corruption of minors. All charges will be held for court, according to West
Chester Assistant District Attorney Kimberly Callahan, who will prosecute the case.
White is married and has three sons and republican fundraiser in the area.
Republican Jack Burkmana reportedly has been caught allegedly offering to pay $1,000 for
sex with two homosexuals ... Republican operative Jack Burkmana former lobbyist for
"Family Research Council" The council and Mr. Burkmana support and donate money to the Bush
administration and the GOP.
(June 28, 2006)--A South Texas jury has found a 44-year-old REPUBLICAN political consultant guilty of
four counts involving the sexual molestation of children. The 44-year-old CARY LEE CRAMER was
convicted of one count of aggravated sexual assault of a child, two of indecency with a
child by contact and one of indecency with a child by exposure. Cramer, who now lives in
Tucson, Ariz., gained national attention during the 2000 presidential election.
His McAllen company created a TV ad accusing the Clinton-Gore administration of giving away
nuclear technology to China in exchange for campaign contributions. Cramer faces a maximum
of 149 years in prison for the four felony charges.
Republican Lou Beres denied sexual-molestation allegations when the Oregonian newspaper first reported them in October.
Beres acknowledged sexually touching a 16- or 17-year-old friend of his daughter in 1976 or 1977.
But a local Police Department report released as part of a lawsuit said Beres "readily admitted sexually touching" one girl when she was 13 or 14 years old.
The longtime leader of the Oregon Christian Coalition and staunch opponent of gay rights
admits in a newly released police report that he sexually touched three underage girls.
August 30, 2006 A Texas pastor accused of raping a church member after telling her she was possessed by a lesbian demon at his house last year has been indicted. Republican, Leonard Ray Owens, 63, who is free on $25,000 bail, is now awaiting trial on a charge of sexual assault, a second-degree felony punishable by two to 20 years in prison. He was arrested in November, 2005.
Police began investigating Owens last year after a 22-year-old woman reported that Owens raped her twice at his Fort Worth home. The woman told police that in July, several months after she began attending the Prayer House of Faith, she went to Owens' home for counseling following a miscarriage. Owens told her that a sex spirit and lesbian demon were inside her and needed to be cast out, police said. The pastor then asked her to lie on the floor and began yelling at her as if she were a demon, saying, "Loose her in the name of Jesus," according to an arrest warrant affidavit.
Christian bookstore owner, cop admit sex with boy
Pittsburgh, PA, August 30, 2006
A former college administrator, a former Christian bookstore owner and a former policeman admitted to sexual misconduct with a teenage boy.They were among five men arrested in March as part of an ongoing investigation of men who meet boys through Internet chat rooms, authorities said.William Gillin, 53, republican and Paul Skiles, 63, republican, both of Johnstown, pleaded guilty yesterday to corruption of minors, indecent assault and unlawful communications with minors. Mr. Gillin is the former alumni relations director at the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown. Mr. Skiles owned the now-closed B&K Christian Bookstore in Richland Township.Some of the incidents occurred when the boy was 16, prosecutors said. He is now 17.
Donald Lukens, Republican Congressman, was found guilty of having sex with a minor - a girl he was accused of sleeping with since she was 13. Time Article
Pat McPherson, Douglas County Election Commissioner. Arrested for fondling a 17-year-old girl. Article
Jon Matthews, Republican talk show host in Houston, was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17. Source: ABC News
Jeff Miller, (R-Cleveland), Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in Tennessee and the sponsor of Tennessee's Marriage Protection act, getting divorced (as of April 2005) because of an affair he was having with an office aid. Miller described the Tennessee Marriage Protection Act as a means of preserving the sanctity of marriage. He opposed an amendment, however, which stated that "Adultery is deemed to be a threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in Tennessee."
Jim Wesr, Spokane Mayor. Supported a bill, which failed, would have barred gays and lesbians from working in schools, day-care centers and some state agencies. Voted to bar the state from distributing pamphlets telling people how to protect themselves from AIDS. Proposed that "any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person" among teens be criminalized. Had a sexual affair with an 18 year old boy.Source: Spokesman review
Keith Westmoreland, a Tennessee state representative (R), was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). Tennesean Article
Stephen White, Republican preacher. Was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him. Daily Pennsylvanian article | Daily yale News Article
Nicholas Morency, Republican anti-abortion activist, pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor The Dallas Morning News article.
Sue Myrick, Congresswoman (R-NC), describes herself as a "devout Christian." Committed adultery with a married man.
Bill O'Reilly Right-wing conservative talk show host on Fox News, sued for sexual harrassment by his producer.
Bob Packwood, Senator (R-Ore.), resigned in 1995 under a threat of public senate hearings related to 10 female ex-staffers accusing him of sexual harassment.
Jeffrey Patti, Republican Committee Chairman, was arrested for distributing what experts call "some of the most offensive material in the child pornography world" - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. Daily Record News Article
John Paulk, lied about prowling for gay sex while running a fundamentalist group to cure gays.
Brent Parker Utah State Representetive. Arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover officer posing as a male prostitute. KSL News Article |Deseret News Article
John Peterson, Congressman (R-Pa), accused of sexual harassment and creation of a hostile work environment by six women. Peterson has refused to admit a crime, saying only "I may have been an excessive hugger."
Harvey Pitt, SEC Chief under George W. Bush until he was forced to resign in 2002. Worked for New Frontier Media, a firm which distributed teen sex videos.
Mark Pazuhanich, Republican judge, pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. Pocono Record article
George Roche III, carried on a 19 year affair with his son's wife, while serving as president of Hillsdale College, which "emphasizes the importance of the common moral truths that bind all Americans, while recognizing the importance of religion for the maintenance of a free society."
Beverly Russell, County Chairman of the Christian Coalition, sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children. Herald-Journal Article |Commentary on Newsweek Article
Jack Ryan, 2004 Republican nominee for US Senate from Illinois, pressured his wive, actress Jeri Ryan, to have sex with other men. Tricked her into visiting sex clubs, where he asked her to have sex with him while others watched.
Joe Scarborough, former Republican Congressman, currently a conservative talk show host. Resigned his congressional seat abruptly to spend more time with his family, amidst allegations of an affair. His intern, Lori Klausutis, was soon after found dead in his office. The medical examiner, who had his license revoked in Missouri for falsifying information in an autopsy report, and suspended in florida for six years, ruled the case an accident, after giving conflicting information about her injuries. He said he lied about them because "The last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury."
Ed Schrock, two-term republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.
Dr. Laura Schlessinger, right wing conservative radio host. Promotes family values, estranged from her mother, opposes birth control, has had her tubes tied, espouses saving oneself for marriage, admits to having had sex before she was married, opposes adultery, has committed adultery while she was married, and has slept with a married man, opposes divorce, is divorced and remarried, has posed for nude photos which are available online.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republican governor, had sex with a 16 year old when he was 28.
Jean Schmidt, OH-2, though not herself implicated, employed a campaign manager (Joe Braun) in her 2005 election who once wrote an article condemning gay men for running sex ad profiles, and who was then accused of running his own sex profile on Collarme, an S&M sex site. The profile called for "submissives" to wear only a collar and handcuffs and to have hot wax dripped on them. DKOS Diary
John Scmitz, right-wing republican congressman, who had had his committee chairship taken away from him in the California State Senate after issuing a press release attacking Jews, feminists and gays. Forced out of office in 1982 for having an adulterous affair and fathering two children out of wedlock with one of his students. He was caught because his baby was admitted to hospital for having hair tied so tightly around his penis that it was almost severed. His daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, was convicted of having an adulterous affair with one of her students, and giving birth to two of his children. Wikipedia article
Larry Jack Schwarz, Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, fired after child pornography was found in his possession. Rocky Mountain News article With his political career over, he went to work in the hard-core pornography industry for Platinum X Pictures, owned by his daughter, porn starlet Jewel De'Nyle (Stephany Schwarz). Wikipedia article
Jim Stelling, Seminole County Republican Party chairman who believes in "family values", as he told a judge. Filed a defamation lawsuit againt Nancy Goettman, a former county GOP executive committee member, for falsely claiming he had been married six times. Stelling has been married 5 times. Article
Don Sherwood, Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives. Eventually admitted to an affar with a woman 30 years younger than him, after she accused him of physical abuse and attempting to choke her. Post-Gazette article
Tom Shortridge. Republican campaign consultant, was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. LA Times article
Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr., Republican City Councilman, pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. Sex Offender Registry page | Article
Craig J. Spence, Republican lobbyist, organized orgies with child prostitutes in the White House during the 1980s. Full page including Washington Times article Discovery Channel documentary
Jimmy Swaggart, televangelist, said during a sermon "I'm trying to find the correct name for it ... this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic stupidity of men marrying men. ... I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died." Had an affair with a prostitute.
David Swartz, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. Rocky Mountain News Article
Randall Terry, Right to Life activist, founder of Operation Rescue, involved in the Terri Schiavo protests. Once imprisoned for sending former President Bill Clinton an aborted fetus. His son Jamiel is gay; his daughter Tila had sex outside of marriage, became pregnant, had a miscarriage - she is no longer welcome in his home; his daughter Ebony had 2 children outside of wedlock and became Muslim. He has campaigned against infidelity and birth control, gays and unwed mothers. Terry himself was censured by his church after committing adultery.
Bill Thomas Republican congressman, had an affair with Deborah Steelman, a health care lobbyist who steered huge campaign gifts to Thomas' war chest.
Strom Thurmond, republican senator and racist, raped and impregnanted a 15-year old African American maid. (BBC Article)
Robin Vanderwall, Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate, director of Faith & Family Alliance, (a Christian Coalition spin off), former student of Pat Robertson's Regent Universtity, member of Ralph Reed's inner circle who funneled money to from lobbiest Jack Abromoff to Reed , convicted in Virginia for soliticing sex from a 13-year-old-boy and on four other counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. Virginian-Pilot Article
J.C. Watts, Representative (R-Oklahoma), loud champion of "moral values." Has out-of-wedlock children.

32 socal2 2015 Jun 1, 2:18pm

Partial List of Democrat rapists, pedophiles and cheaters.

If we want to include all of the Liberal lobbyists and bundlers from Hollywood alone, the number will easily eclipse the list above.

- Anthony Weiner
- Eliot Spitzer (total hypocrite as he prosecuted others who engaged in prostitution)
- David Wu
- Kwame Fitzpatrick
- John Edwards
- Bill Clinton
- David Paterson
- Antonio Villaraigosa
- Marc Dann
- Paul Morrison
- Gary Condit
- Tim Mahoney
- Neil Goldschmidt (underage)
- Jim McGreevey
- Mel Reynolds (underage)
- Brock Adams (rape)
- Barney Frank (partner conducting gay prostitution ring in his house)
- Gary Hart
- Gerry Studs (underage dudes)
- Fred Richmond (underage dudes)
- Gavin Newsom
- Sam Adams (affair with 18 year old dude)

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MisdemeanorRebel 2015 Jun 1, 2:21pm

Dan, I think your list is a little dated. Mark Foley and his sexting of Congressional Pages, Larry Craig was arrested for Trolling (reduced to disorderly conduct) at the Airport.

Socal, 18 years is the age of majority everywhere; most of your additional Dems above engaged in standard heterosexual affairs.

34 socal2 2015 Jun 1, 2:23pm

As for murder, Nixon and Bush come to mind as the biggest mass murderers in American history.

Obama has Bush beat hands down. More Arabs, Christians, Yazidis and secularists have been killed in the Middle East in 6.5 years of Obama than 8 years of Bush.

EVERYONE told Obama what would happen if he pulled all troops out of Iraq. Let alone toppling Gadaffi without any plans to fill the void.

Obama knew the costs and even said in 2007 that preventing genocide is not a good enough reason to keep troops in Iraq.
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/24/opinion/oe-goldberg24

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MisdemeanorRebel 2015 Jun 1, 2:24pm

I remember a lot of Kurds being massacred in the 80s, and Shi'ites in the 90s. Where was Regan, Bush, and the Republican Controlled Congress then?

36 socal2 2015 Jun 1, 2:28pm

thunderlips11 says

most of your additional Dems above engaged in standard heterosexual affairs.

That makes it OK then!

Republicans certainly aren't immune to sex scandals. But we don't elevate our scumbags to the highest offices of the Presidency like they did with JFK and Clinton. Shit they even ran John Edwards in 2004!

37 socal2 2015 Jun 1, 2:32pm

thunderlips11 says

I remember a lot of Kurds being massacred in the 80s, and Shi'ites in the 90s. Where was Regan, Bush, and the Republican Controlled Congress then?

Republicans didn't control Congress until 1994.

Besides, there were bigger concerns during the Cold War and couldn't right every wrong at once. Just like we looked past Stalin and the Communist atrocities to ally with them against the bigger perceived threat of the Nazis and Japanese during WWII.

Face it, Bush handed Obama a much more stable and hopeful Middle East than Obama is going to hand to his successor. Most of the hard work was already done. Obama just had to consolidate the gains and not fuck it up.

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 2:47pm

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it is preferable.

You mean like go to war on false pretense, engage in slavery, gerrymander voting districts, cut social safety nets, pollute the Earth, go to church, and discriminate against arbitrary groups? Yes, I totally agree that just because you can do something does not mean you should. However, there is no legal reason to discriminate against same-sex marriage. None.

Like I keep asking and you are too chicken to answer

Honey, I'm not chicken of anything you have to say. I may be so repulsed by your writings I skim through them so that I don't throw up, but don't think for a second there is anything you impotent mind can possible think of that would even slightly challenge me. You're just too damn stupid to be a worthy opponent.

should the State adopt children to a gay or straight couple if all things are equal between the two couples

If all things are equal, then by definition, there is no advantage to having either couple adopt the child. But last I checked, there's no shortage of children that need adopting.

More than 250,000 children in the U.S. enter the foster care system every year. While more than half of these children will return to their parents, the remainder will stay in the system. Most of these children are living with foster families, but some also live in group facilities.

Each year more than 20,000 children age out of the foster care without being adopted. Today there are 102,000 children in foster care waiting to be adopted ranging in age from less than a year old to 21.

Now if you're asking are there any disadvantages to having two fathers (or mothers) as oppose to one parent of each gender, the answer is yes, but those disadvantages are utterly insignificant and pale in contrast to other factors. It's nice to have parents of both gender so that you potentially have a role model from each. Sons can ask their dads questions they wouldn't ask their mom, and daughters probably don't want to talk about periods with their dads. However, these challenges can be easily and trivially met by having an aunt or uncle or grandparent or even close friend who's the opposite gender of the parents. Jane can ask Aunt Rosie about periods instead of her two dads. Problem solved easily.

Now there are far more important factors that come into play with adoption. A child is way better off with wealthy parents than poorer ones. Well guess what, both gay and lesbian couples make more money than their straight counterparts. That means, on average, children are much better off with gay parents than straight one. Game, set, match, bitch.

If you honestly believed that the best interests of the child is what should determine who can adopt, then given this information, you would have to oppose straight adoption. The fact that you won't change your mind to this is indisputable proof that you are simply a hypocritical bigot who doesn't give a rat's ass about the children and is only using them as political cannon fodder.

Oh, and this data comes from Experian, one of the companies that does credit reporting. They only care about one thing: money.

Side note: I'm actually surprised that lesbian couples earn more than straight couples. I thought that women would choose to go into less paying jobs compared to men and so the wealth order would be gay male couples, straight couples, lesbian couples. But I was wrong about that. I have no idea why lesbian couples make more than straight couples. It's a surprising result and warrants further investigation.

In any case, had gay and lesbian couples earn less, I'd gladly still point it out because it still wouldn't be a deal breaker just like it's not a deal breaker that straight couples actually earn less.

I do have one conjecture, and it's only a conjecture. Openly gay men and lesbians, the ones that would marry and adopt, tend to be liberal and we all know that smart people tend to be liberal. Smart people also tend to earn more. Perhaps this is the correlation.

Wasn't long ago when Progs were saying that "one loving mother with State assistance" is good enough to raise children without a father.

That doesn't sound like the kind of statement a progressive would make. And given your inability to distinguish between progressives, liberals, leftists, socialists, communists, and witches, I sincerely doubt you are right about this.

In any case, placing foster children in the hands of gay and lesbian couples will reduce childhood poverty and the need for state assistance. So again, should the "no spending on social services" conservatives embrace gay adoption then?

The Top Five Special Interest Groups Lobbying To Keep Marijuana Illegal

Now look at the dramatic increase in income inequality and destruction of the African American family with all these single mothers living on welfare and a life of poverty with no fathers around.

Nice job Progs! Let's keep tinkering with the very foundation of civilization, pretending there are no physical and psychological differences between the sexes and see how much more we can fuck things up and blame it on evil Corporations!

Oh honey, the reason why so many African American families are headed by just the mother is that because of conservative's War on Drugs far too many black men are in prison. And the reason for the War on Drugs is the greed of corporations like
- big pharma who doesn't want competition from patent-free drugs
- big alcohol who doesn't want competition from other drugs
- the police unions
- the prison guard unions
- private prisons corporations

And they are all motivated by personal greed.

So yes, the blame does go to evil corporations, or more precisely, to evil fuckers who run corporations because corporations themselves can't be good or evil as they are just pieces of paper.

Keep opening your mouth, socal2. I'd love more ammunition.

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 2:48pm

Partial List of Democrat rapists, pedophiles and cheaters.

I see yours is way smaller than mine.

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 2:50pm

thunderlips11 says

Dan, I think your list is a little dated.

Well come on man, the list grows every day. We'd need a real time RSS feed and gigabit throughput to keep it up to date!

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 2:51pm

Dan8267 says

As for murder, Nixon and Bush come to mind as the biggest mass murderers in American history.

Obama has Bush beat hands down.

Obama is simply the continuation of the Bush administration. And as vile as his crimes are, they would not have been possible if not for Bush. So no, you conservatives still look bad no matter what straws you grasp at.

And Obama is neither a liberal nor a leftist. He's to the right of Nixon.

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 2:55pm

Republicans certainly aren't immune to sex scandals. But we don't elevate our scumbags to the highest offices of the Presidency like they did with JFK and Clinton

You're comparing a consensual blow job to the mass amount of pedophile rape done by Republicans? Wow, you are morally bankrupt!

And America would be damn lucky to have Bill Clinton or John F. Kennedy as president today. These are two of the most successful presidents in the past 100 years. No one is remembering either Bush, Ford, or Nixon in a positive light. And only batshit crazy conservatives get a hard-on for Reagan, the man most singularly responsible for the downfall of the middle class and the impoverishment of tens of millions of American families.

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FortWayne 2015 Jun 1, 3:24pm

All that drama is created by conservative bigots. If our state simply treated homosexuals exactly the same as heterosexuals there would be no drama, no gay pride parades, no history of lynching gays, no history of imprisoning gays, and gay marriage would have been the law of the land since inception and no one would even be thinking of gay rights, gay marriage, or gay culture. It would be no big deal.

Dan, who is lynching anyone these days or putting anyone in prison for being gay? You are worse then the blacks who mentally stuck in 1861.

Marriage is about children, it's not about anyone anything. No one is preventing anyone from living together or getting a "union". Marriage however, is not something that is meant for homosexuals. Can't marry a horse just because you might like one, get over it Dan.

44 socal2 2015 Jun 1, 3:27pm

Now if you're asking are there any disadvantages to having two fathers (or mothers) as oppose to one parent of each gender, the answer is yes,

That wasn't so hard - was it?

45 socal2 2015 Jun 1, 3:33pm

You're comparing a consensual blow job to the mass amount of pedophile rape done by Republicans? Wow, you are morally bankrupt!

My partial list includes plenty of Democrat men diddling little boys.

Of course I didn't include the "Lion of the Democrat Party" Ted Kennedy leaving a woman in a ditch to die. That's a pretty high bar for any Republican to clear. His brother JFK wasn't much better.

And America would be damn lucky to have Bill Clinton or John F. Kennedy as president today. These are two of the most successful presidents in the past 100 years.

JFK was one of our best presidents in the past 100 years? The guy that got us into Vietnam? The guy that got rolled by Kruschev and nearly started WWIII? The guy that allowed mob prostitutes into the White House?

I think you still believing the Camelot myth. It's all style over substance with you Libs. That's what allowed you to vote for a guy like Obama with no experience.

46 socal2 2015 Jun 1, 3:34pm

So what exactly are those thinking people saying about themselves if they have to preface a statement with reassurance that they are not being bigoted? i.e. We can be tolerant of (fill in the blank) but still support, defend, whatever...

I dunno - how about you can love the sinner but hate the sin?

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 3:38pm

Dan, who is lynching anyone these days or putting anyone in prison for being gay?

Honey, you don't get to discard all of history simply because we liberals stopped you conservatives from committing your crimes. If conservatives had their way, lynchings and slavery would be practiced again.

You conservatives have yet to condemn your ancestors for their vile and evil ways.

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 3:39pm

Marriage is about children, it's not about anyone anything.

Bullshit. Elderly couples get married long after child bearing years. Infertile people get married. People who don't want to have children get married. Are you saying that those three groups should be denied the right to marry? Well?

49 socal2 2015 Jun 1, 3:40pm

Better go back to the early 1950s for the real roots of Vietnam

Democrats always blaming war failures on Republicans. "It wasn't JFK or LBJ that got all those US service men killed in Vietnam. It was Eisenhower, Nixon and Ford!"

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 3:41pm

That wasn't so hard - was it?

Like your penis, no. And as I stated in my detailed response, weighing the advantages against the disadvantages, gay men and lesbians come out ahead as parents. You can't refute that.

If you honestly believed that the best interests of the child is what should determine who can adopt, then given this information, you would have to oppose straight adoption. The fact that you won't change your mind to this is indisputable proof that you are simply a hypocritical bigot who doesn't give a rat's ass about the children and is only using them as political cannon fodder.

So, chicken, are you now going to admit that overall children are better off with gay and lesbian parents? Or is that too hard?

51 socal2 2015 Jun 1, 3:45pm

Bullshit. Elderly couples get married long after child bearing years. Infertile people get married.

There are exceptions to everything.

But the vast majority of US marriages end up procreating. And that was even more the case before the proliferation of birth control and abortion.

Anyway, great jobs guys! Keep fucking around with basic civilization basics. "Married Couples Are No Longer a Majority, Census Finds"
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/26/us/26marry.html?_r=0

And Progs wonder why there is growing income inequality!

52 socal2 2015 Jun 1, 3:48pm

You conservatives have yet to condemn your ancestors for their vile and evil ways.

Have you condemned your party's evil, vile and racist Eugenics past?

No - you made Margaret Sanger (who wanted less black, Italian and Jewish babies) a patron saint of your party and coveted abortion practice.

53 socal2 2015 Jun 1, 3:55pm

Bigger bullshit from here - my father and step mother got married for health insurance purposes, tax purposes and companionship when they were in their late 60s...

My co-worker's daughter who lives in Washington State won't marry the father of her child as they will lose welfare and other subsidies.

Just another fucked up liberal welfare policy that encourages destructive behavior.

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 3:55pm

My partial list includes plenty of Democrat men diddling little boys.

Four compare to over a hundred in my list. Almost everyone in the list I quoted is a pedophile. You're proving my point.

Oh, and my list is certainly partial as well. So don't bother to exaggerate the size of yours. We all know it's damn small compared to mine.

JFK was one of our best presidents in the past 100 years? The guy that got us into Vietnam?

Yes, despite that and other mistakes like the Bay of Pigs invasion, Kennedy was still vastly superior to any post-Southern-Strategy Republican.

Oh, and don't pretend that the Republicans didn't have a hard on for Vietnam. Nixon's actions during the war was a crime against humanity, and he used American soldiers as cannon fodder.

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 3:56pm

Dan8267 says

Marriage is about children, it's not about anyone anything.

That was Fort Wayne, not me.

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 4:00pm

Disclosure. Upon reading carefully through the long list I've quoted above, it's important to point out that the list, copied from here, has a bunch of duplicates like Beverly Russell listed three times. I'm too lazy and too busy to go through the list eliminating duplicates -- plus reading even partly through it is enough to make one puke with disgust at the rape of 5, 8, 9, and 10-year-olds.

However, if any other honest person is willing to go through the list and eliminate dups, you have my gratitude.

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FortWayne 2015 Jun 1, 4:30pm

You conservatives have yet to condemn your ancestors for their vile and evil ways.

Why would I waste time condemning anything in the past? It's how society was back then, you'd be doing same thing if you were living in their generation. You'll understand that once you grow up Dan.

Bullshit. Elderly couples get married long after child bearing years. Infertile people get married. People who don't want to have children get married. Are you saying that those three groups should be denied the right to marry? Well?

They can marry, for bible does not make marriage explicitly for having children. Here is the definition Dan. Marriage is a lifetime union of a man and a woman, primarily for the purpose of building a family and providing a stable environment for that family. It is ok to not have children as long as reason is purposeful, not sin. However homosexuality is deviant, shameful, unnatural, lustful, and indecent and hence not right for marriage, it would destroy the very pillars on which our society is built upon.

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FortWayne 2015 Jun 1, 4:54pm

FortWayne - Pondering your view on what happens when said marriage does not provide a stable environment for that family? As well, when straight couples engage in deviant, shameful, unnatural, lustful and indecent behavior - then what ? Doesn't this also destroy the very pillars on which society is built upon?

Yes it does.

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Y 2015 Jun 1, 5:07pm

So where does caitlyn fit into all this hell?

No one is preventing anyone from living together or getting a "union". Marriage however, is not something that is meant for homosexuals.

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curious2 2015 Jun 1, 5:13pm

unnatural,

No matter how many examples people cite from nature, Forthood keeps flagellating himself with that lie, all the way to his Reseda rest room rendezvous with Larry Craig.

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curious2 2015 Jun 1, 5:25pm

http://patrick.net/misc/It+is+especially+inhumane+to+deceive+youth

Gotta give you credit for

No, you really don't, and shouldn't. It isn't even a belief, it's a compulsive lie on his part. He knows full well for example that Ronald Reagan entrusted his own kids and home to a lesbian couple, and invited a gay male couple to stay in the Lincoln bedroom at the White House; I pointed that out to him, with links, so he Ignored me. Forthood doesn't deserve credit for repeating a disproved lie, and besides he doesn't even believe it; he's merely too invested now, so he needs to see his "Brokeback" lie all the way through and subvert his self-loathing into persecution a la Larry Craig and Mark Foley and Dennis Hastert and countless others before him. People who deserve credit are people like Dan, who if you point out an actual error and prove it, acknowledges it and doesn't repeat the same error.

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 6:05pm

Why would I waste time condemning anything in the past?

...to not repeat the mistakes of history.

Why do you conservatives waste time glorifying your abysmal past?

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 6:24pm

They can marry, for bible does not make marriage explicitly for having children. Here is the definition Dan. Marriage is a lifetime union of a man and a woman, primarily for the purpose of building a family and providing a stable environment for that family. I

You are contradicting yourself. None of the groups I mentioned get marry at all, nonetheless primarily, for the purpose of building a family. Furthermore, through adoption, gay and lesbian couples can and do build families, and they do society a great service by adopting.

. It is ok to not have children as long as reason is purposeful, not sin.

There is no such thing as sin as your god is false. The fact that your false religion influences our laws in any way is justification to make your false religion illegal. Why should I tolerate any religion that is not tolerant of those who aren't believers of its lies?

As for evil, there is no evil in same-sex marriages or adoption. There is, however, great evil in the oppression of any arbitrary group and the prevention of responsible adults in adopting children who are wards of the state.

And even without the desire to adopt children, same-sex relationships are most certainly purposeful. To argue that spending one's life with someone you love is not purposeful simply because you have matching genitals is utterly ridiculous.

However homosexuality is deviant, shameful, unnatural, lustful, and indecent and hence not right for marriage

This is simply your unfounded bigotry and has no basis in history, science, or reality. Oh, and there is nothing wrong with lust either.

As for unnatural, homosexuality is abundant in nature. You can't even get basic facts correct.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/i2gVXd7FzhQ

it would destroy the very pillars on which our society is built upon

Exactly how much homosexuality is necessary to "destroy the very pillars on which our society is built upon"? How many states have to recognize same sex marriages for that to happen? What if a Constitutional amendment were passed to recognize same-sex marriages on the federal level? Would that be enough to destroy those pillars of society? And exactly what is going to happen when those pillars are destroyed?

The near future is going to show how batshit crazy your perception of the world is. Marriage equality will become the law of the land and society will continue better than it is now because things are getting better. And when people look back fifty years from now at your comments, they will sound as stupid as the comments fifty years ago saying that race mixing would destroy society. Hell, make that ten years.

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Dan8267 2015 Jun 1, 6:28pm

curious2 says

FortWayne says

unnatural,

No matter how many examples people cite from nature, Forthood keeps flagellating himself with that lie

This is exactly why people who are members of any religion should not be allowed to vote. We don't let the insane vote because they are mentally incapable of weighing important decisions. If someone talks to an imaginary voice and has severe delusions about reality, that person cannot make a rational decision in an election or referendum. Religion is one of the worst forms of mental illness no matter how socially acceptable or pervasive it is. If there is any form of mental illness that should prevent a person from voting, it's being religious as FortWayne demonstrates.

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Strategist 2015 Jun 1, 8:06pm

Now if you're asking are there any disadvantages to having two fathers (or mothers) as oppose to one parent of each gender, the answer is yes, but those disadvantages are utterly insignificant and pale in contrast to other factors. It's nice to have parents of both gender so that you potentially have a role model from each. Sons can ask their dads questions they wouldn't ask their mom, and daughters probably don't want to talk about periods with their dads. However, these challenges can be easily and trivially met by having an aunt or uncle or grandparent or even close friend who's the opposite gender of the parents. Jane can ask Aunt Rosie about periods instead of her two dads. Problem solved easily.

Nice.

Now there are far more important factors that come into play with adoption. A child is way better off with wealthy parents than poorer ones. Well guess what, both gay and lesbian couples make more money than their straight counterparts. That means, on average, children are much better off with gay parents than straight one.

Nice.

Oh honey, the reason why so many African American families are headed by just the mother is that because of conservative's War on Drugs far too many black men are in prison. And the reason for the War on Drugs is the greed of corporations like

- big pharma who doesn't want competition from patent-free drugs

- big alcohol who doesn't want competition from other drugs

- the police unions

- the prison guard unions

- private prisons corporations

And they are all motivated by personal greed.

Not nice. Silly.

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Strategist 2015 Jun 1, 9:12pm