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If you are talking about an individual case, yes, but not if you are talking about systemic discrimination. I may not be able to prove racial discrimination in any particular drug case, but the fact that blacks are highly disproportionately convicted and sentence for drug use when whites use the same drugs in the same proportion does statically indicate undeniable bigotry. Yes, math can tell you things with 100% certainty.
I don't really follow that argument. If you had a situation where most men weren't seeking primary of full custody, then you would get the results shown, but that wouldn't demonstrate discrimination, rather the fulfillment of the request. Now I'm quite sure there is bias, after all women are viewed as more suited to child rearing, but I still don't see how that graph demonstrates anything except the percentages it shows.
If you had a situation where most men weren't seeking primary of full custody,
then it would be because men realize they have no hope of achieving that.
The fact is that most married fathers want to be fathers. That's why they got and stayed married. It is not the case that the typical American father is happy to leave his children after divorce. Most dads are very doting. If you ever worked in an office that had a new father, you'd see every single time that guy is every bit as into his kids as a mother is. Dads like talking about their kids as much moms do. I know this because it's a damn easy way to strike up a conversation with any coworker when you're new at the company.
Now, I don't know if this applies to other countries or generations, but certainly in America since the 1990s it does.
then it would be because men realize they have no hope of achieving that.
Possibly, or possibly that men don't want to be full or primary care givers.
Dan8267 says
The fact is that most married fathers want to be fathers. That's why they got and stayed married. It is not the case that the typical American father is happy to leave his children after divorce. Most dads are very doting. If you ever worked in an office that had a new father, you'd see every single time that guy is every bit as into his kids as a mother is. Dads like talking about their kids as much moms do. I know this because it's a damn easy way to strike up a conversation with any coworker when you're new at the company.
Sure, but that doesn't then mean they want to be the person who looks after little Johnny 24 hours a day.
Jesus, I leave for an hour or two, and you've turned another thread into a false rape allegation thread.
In fairness, you were the one who brought it up again.
Given its inadequacies, much of the current research literature cannot be used to determine the rate of false rape allegations.
is NOT even about Kanin. It is Rumney's opinion about studies in general.
Yeah, I know. That is why we are reading a review article, and not following some red piller's take on one particular study.
Yeah, except as has already been pointed out, that is for misidentification by the accuser or the police, not a 25% rate of false rape accusations by the women.
Yeah, except as has already been pointed out, that is for misidentification by the accuser or the police, not a 25% rate of false rape accusations by the women.
Nice try, but no cigar. If 83% of rapes are supposedly committed by non-strangers, how can the complainants manage to to misidentify over 25% of all arrested suspects?
https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders
I believe that there are police and prosecuters who believe the number is that high. You don't find it in peer reviewed literature, which is what i was referring to.
Yup. Watch some old 1930s-1950s movies on Antenna TV and anyone can see that film at that time had a much more realistic view of women. Ever since the 1980s (or maybe before) it has been nothing but burning-bed-victimhood 24x7.
You know what else is bullshit? That every housewife in the 50s and 60s was popping happy pills and totally miserable with their Mimi Eisenhower Pink kitchens and Frost-free refrigerators. It's a complete Media Myth with no backing. They didn't even do widespread mental health surveys back then; the first weren't until the late 70s/early 80s.
But as always it is hard to distinguish good satire from the rants of a lunatic, which I guess is exactly the point.
"Poe" is the word you're looking for.
What do you actually expect non-discriminatory rates to be?
Damn close to 50/50. Women hold up aggregate of all pay, regardless of career fields to that of all men, and scream the much smaller difference is undeniable proof of Patriarchy.
The Custody chart is so skewed that it is irrefutable evidence of bias.
Here a psychologist fakes rape, because she wanted her husband to move!!!! Yup she is a prison psychologist who counsels prisoners-in CA-tax payer funded.
Nice try, but no cigar. If 83% of rapes are supposedly committed by non-strangers, how can the complainants manage to to misidentify over 25% of all arrested suspects?
https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-offenders
So? That still doesn't remotely translate into your claim of a 25% base line. The data was, if you hadn't noticed, for rapes and rape-murders. There is nothing in that passage that indicates it is a representative sample. Every single one of those samples could relate to cases of rape by a stranger as there is no way of knowing otherwise from what was written. The text is what it is. I am not the one misrepresenting it.
Here's some reading to balance out posts by the idiots who post anecdotal stories hoping to sway people.
This woman was gagged, bound with shoelaces, and raped. After reporting, the police convinced her to recant, charged her with false reporting, and fined her $500. Two and a half years later, a guy was caught for raping a few women. He had a picture of the woman who had been coerced to recant.
http://old.seattletimes.com/text/2021161550.html
This is a story about a woman working the cash register at a gas station. She was held at gunpoint and made to give oral sex, then the rapist made off with all of the money in the register. Police didn't believe her, charged her with taking the money, and put her in jail. She lost her job while in jail. The rapist was caught raping again a year later, and he confessed to both crimes.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/15/sara-reedy-rape-victim-wins-police-payout
Here's some reading to balance out posts by the idiots who post anecdotal stories hoping to sway people
So someone posting something that is different than your opinion is an idiot. But you posting some story about your position makes you a ???? Marcus is that your alt account?
So someone posting something that is different than your opinion is an idiot. But you posting some story about your position makes you a ?
I've tried getting people to lay off of the anecdotal crap, but they like to do it. I don't know if it's usually you or not, which is why I didn't call you out on it. For shit's and giggles, I figured I'd try to balance out the steaming pile of crap with one on the other side of the issue. In case there are people reading along who are easily swayed emotional button pushers, at least they will have a chance to have their other button pushed.
And that's about it for me for a few days. I need to get some more work done.
This is a damning conclusion...
He is saying that the conclusion you should draw is that we just can't tell, because the research is shoddy. This is contradictory to the conclusion that you came up with.
I've tried getting people to lay off of the anecdotal crap, but they like to do it. I don't know if it's usually you or not, which is why I didn't call you out on it. For shit's and giggles, I figured I'd try to balance out the steaming pile of crap with one on the other side of the issue. In case there are people reading along who are easily swayed emotional button pushers, at least they will have a chance to have their other button pushed
Typical pseudo intellectual crap. All high and mighty, oh I care about the great unwashed masses, oh you can't talk about those issues-even if they are in public record-blah, blah , blah. Basically reality is starting to bite, so turn into some defense mechanism to try and not accept it-red pill, blue pill, anecdotal crap, idjits blah, blah, blah. Accept reality-much easier
LOL
You conveniently dance around the topic that it is the law that allows these gold diggers their treasure. A whore who slept with 100 men and married to a guy who worked his ass off, did not cook, clean, contribute anything gets half of the fortune of the time they were together and alimony on top-even though she slept with a different dude every week-that is the no-fault divorce laws and treating women as children laws. They are equals-no alimony, split-go on your way and make your own destiny.
Here's some reading to balance out posts by the idiots who post anecdotal stories hoping to sway people.
Both your examples are from the minority of rape claims, against total strangers; whereas the majority of claims are pointed at people known to the alleged victim.
He is saying that the conclusion you should draw is that we just can't tell, because the research is shoddy. This is contradictory to the conclusion that you came up with.
Since we just can't tell, and our system should be biased more against false positives than negatives, we should assume the higher numbers of false rape allegations.
It's a parody of lost and confused, and other dunces that spend their time rounding up stories of a false rape accusations and / or illegal immigrants murdering or raping someone.
So false rape accusations and illegals murdering people are a joke to you. You can't comprehend something, so you are trying to turn it into some sort of starnge explanation-red pill, the matrix, a parody. That you devolve into insults-marcus you must be-that is his ammo, when he can't come up with a counter .
No. Posting anecdotes and thinking that it proves a point is idiotic
Blah, blah, keep twisting to justify your position.
Blah, blah, keep twisting to justify your position.
That's been my only point with you. There was never any other point.
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I was struck by some of the attitudes toward women on this site, as it's nothing like anything I've encountered in real life. After doing a little research, I've learned the following.
There is a small but growing segment of the population that feels that men get a raw deal in society, and that women get away with all sorts of abuses of men. Some who want to debate this directly on a societal level fall into the Mens Rights Activists. Others, try to study women, and become better at manipulating them for sex. These are the Red Pillers. Collectively, these groups spend time on sites in the Manosphere. These guys (and a few girls) love using the word misandry.
There's a pretty fair appraisal of the red pill reddit here:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-red-pill-reddit-2013-8
Here is a funny youtube primer on the Manosphere.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ew8KPNeEds8
There is a wiki glossary of terms often used on reddits r/theredpill
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Manosphere_glossary
The wiki one is much more complete than the reddit glossary, which is here
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/17xmry/acronym_and_glossary_thread/
If you want to see the red pill in action, go straight to the source: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/
My take on all of this is that most of the red pillers are guys who got emotionally scarred through bad relationships with women. Some were stuck in the 'friendzone,' others were dumped, and some were 'raped' in divorce court. Many of these guys never understood women. A lot of these red pillers thought that they could get a woman to like them by buying them things or being super nice to them. That will never work. Women want to be entertained, laugh, feel good, learn new things, etc. If you can provide that, filter out crazy people, and find someone who shares common interests and beliefs, you can have good reciprocal relationships with women.
To get relief from the emotional pain, these guys have swallowed The Red Pill. The Red Pill gives them two things. First, it provides an excuse for their relationship failures. By showing how it is women's nature that sets nice guys up to finish last, they are relieved from blame. Second, it provides a path forward. After swallowing the Red Pill, going for a satisfying marriage is too risky, so they don't have to take any emotional risks going forward. Also, The Red Pill sites have hookup manual. You just have to follow a few easy steps like hitting the gym, dressing well, and using some game theory when hitting on women. If you do this, you can convince much more women to have sex with you.
It is nice that these guys have some place to go on the internet to get relief. But, it is sad that they have to give up the idea of a productive relationship and make up this intricate story to feel whole. However, much of the game theory on picking up women, such as putting a girl down right before hitting on them works best on emotionally challenged women. So, they are self-selecting women with emotional problems. Plus, these guys are trying hard to become pick up artists, and have demonstrated little understanding on the subject in previous life experience. They are working off of an internet manual. So, it seems like a formula for date rape and false accusations of date rape. This of course is the Red Piller's worst nightmare.
How does this apply to Patrick.net? The RedPillers love to claim that they are not misogynists - that they are just seeking the truth. Further, they suggest that swallowing the red pill is the only way to truly be happy in relationships. Some of them also suggest that you should never admit when you are wrong. Deflection is the best option, because that is all anyone else would do anyway. This seems about right.