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thunderlips11 says

Here's the link:

http://ourworldindata.org/data/population-growth-vital-statistics/life-expectancy/

Numbers are drawn from the Max Planck Institute, where I think the employees aren't too bad at math and science.

Seems to agree with my point of view pretty much. That is if you can remember the original argument.

marcus says

thunderlips11 says

No. Even in the Napoleonic Era, for a working class male to reach 40 was an accomplishment. Most Kings of England up till the 19th Century seldom saw more than 50 years, many saw less than 40.

You might want to do more research. Going back to antiquity it was not THAT unusual to make it to 70. There is a lot of different research on this, but many come to this conclusion.

Obviously infection or violence were far more likely to kill you before the advent of antibiotics. But I believe you are wrong and it's easy to find research that supports my opinion.

What does your common sense tell you ?

I might have been a little high in asserting that at age 20, one could expect to live to at least 50. Maybe it was only a 60% chance they made it to 45, and then at 45 the average life expectancy was another 12 to 24 years.

Thank you for finally coming around.

thunderlips11 says

Creating two kids you can't support = Exercising your right to reproduce. No More. Just like we take driver's licenses from repeat DUIs.

Agree, except make that limit to 1. Everyone is allowed to make mistake, once! After that, nobody should be allowed to inflict their mistakes on more children and taxpayers.

It's fascinating to watch these "enlightened" women who have been influenced by feminism try to fight their natural desire for the alpha male, which they absolutely despise and hate. I can see them purposefully hide the desire or overcompensate by not looking in the direction of an alpha or appearing aloof because their social conditioning tells them that they should hate it and that they should seek out nerdy, sensitive, submissive types. I saw this incessantly in Seattle when I used to live there, where woman are super "progressive" and feminist (like SF) and all date these submissive, goofy, nerdy, sensitive types...they hate the alpha male, but they hate their secret sexual desire for the alpha male even more because they can't control it. I know this because watch women when they get drunk at a club...they flock to the alphas because their inhibitions are down and their social conditioning relaxes to show through their true, natural desire. I'm sure they hate themselves the day after when they know they fellated some alpha, consumed his man-cream, and allowed all orifices to be impaled. This is what the feminazis abhor, and there's nothing they can do about it no matter how hard they try or fake it.

debyne says

It's fascinating to watch these "enlightened" women who have been influenced by feminism try to fight their natural desire for the alpha male, which they absolutely despise and hate. I can see them purposefully hide the desire or overcompensate by not looking in the direction of an alpha or appearing aloof because their social conditioning tells them that they should hate it and that they should seek out nerdy, sensitive, submissive types. I saw this incessantly in Seattle when I used to live there, where woman are super "progressive" and feminist (like SF) and all date these submissive, goofy, nerdy, sensitive types...they hate the alpha male, but they hate their secret sexual desire for the alpha male even more because they can't control it.

Which makes the lives of their beta male-appendices hell because they naturally despise them while they naturally desire the alpha and so they have to lash out at their bfs to compensate because the alpha gives zero fucks and walks away. During my time in the bay area I have countless times witnessed angry violent femmes throw out their bfs, just throwing all their stuff on the street while bitching and yelling, 0 times I have witnessed the opposite - obviously this is anecdotal evidence ;)

All of these women who have denied their true alpha hunger, will find themselves one day, without knowing why, walking into a biker bar in a negligee and propping themselves on the bar with their legs behind their heads.

female chimps apparently remain fertile as long as they live. no menopause.

there's a theory that human females have menopause because at some point a woman's genes are better off being a grandmother to help take care of grandkids rather than attempting to directly produce more children on her own, due to the high investment that human children require.

female chimps apparently remain fertile as long as they live. no menopause.

there's a theory that human females have menopause because at some point a woman's genes are better off being a grandmother to help take care of grandkids rather than attempting to directly produce more children on her own, due to the high investment that human children require.

Most women in the old days did not live till 50 to experience menopause, so the people at that time may not even have been aware of menopause.
Entirely possible female chimps could start to experience menopause if they started living longer.
Taking care of the grandkids is also a reason why women live longer.

female chimps apparently remain fertile as long as they live

CIC's one contribution to science is extensive research in this field.

Can't think of a comeback, hypocrite?

...says the guy with three times as many dislikes despite clicking dislike on every post made by any person who ever challenged his idiotic and bigoted ideology.

thunderlips11 says

Seriously, though, if Beta Males were so undesirable, there sure are a lot of them, many with kids of their own. And yeah, some of them were tricked, but there are just too many kids who look like their dad to believe it's extremely high..

Maybe. But have you noticed how in your parents and grandparents generation, your relatives would always talk, often in front of or to their (grand)children, about who the (grand)child looked like, mother or father? When I was a kid, I could never understand why this was such a popular topic of discussion. But about 20 years ago, it suddenly dawned on me: If a child looks like it's father, everything is ok. If a child looks like it's mother, things may still be ok. If a child looks neither like it's father nor mother, then chances are a different person is the real father. Whether people knew explicitly why they were interested in this topic I do not know. This game of who-do-you-look-like was also more popular on the father's side of the family, and tellingly, also more popular among the women.

So, yeah, there was always social controls in place to check whether the children had the right father. And that would explain why many beta Males have children of their own. But there are plenty of bastards running around, at least 11% of children are according to a study from families from Beverly Hills (google it).

Related to justme's post, scientific studies have shown that the parents of the mother are highly more likely to say that a baby looks like the father. This is a defense mechanism to get the "father" to support the child regardless of whether or not it is his child. Evolution has finely honed this instinct.