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bgamall4 says

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/10/europe/amputee-soldier-muslim-facebook-donald-trump/index.html

Good article, nice guy, but consider. Where he refers to "a Muslim nurse," for example, try substituting "a nurse who is a smoker." Would that be an argument in favor of smoking, or against restrictions on smoking? Of course not. Restrictions on smoking are not "tobacco-phobia," they are simply recognition that smoking kills people. ''Cigarettes are the only legal product that when used as intended cause death," and Islam is the only religion that combines Old Testament violence with New Testament global missionary proseletyzing. Considering that Muslim terrorists have killed more Americans than all other terrorists combined in the last 50 years (at least), while comprising only 1% of the population, the concern is not a phobia.

I took my Kanger tank to the shop yesterday to get a new coil. The owner was like let the new girl do it. She did it, and it's been leaking like a sieve ever since.
I'm sure She's a cracker jack.

Alcohol and guns are also legal, and when used as intended, cause death

Thats why the ATF gang holds so much power

curious2 says

Please direct your statement to Elizabeth of Windsor, who worked as a mechanic during the war.

8 Things You May Not Know About Queen Elizabeth II

She drove a truck during World War II.

Elizabeth wears an officer’s uniform and stands beside an Auxiliary Territorial Service first aid truck during World War II. (Credit: Keystone/Getty Images)

After months of begging her father to let his heir pitch in, Elizabeth—then an 18-year-old princess—joined the Women’s Auxiliary Territorial Service during World War II. Known as Second Subaltern Elizabeth Windsor, she donned a pair of coveralls and trained in London as a mechanic and military truck driver. The queen remains the only female member of the royal family to have entered the armed forces and is the only living head of state who served in World War II.

She sent an email in 1976.

On March 26, 1976, Queen Elizabeth sent her first email while taking part in a network technology demonstration at the Royal Signals and Radar Establishment, a research facility in Malvern, England. The message was transmitted over ARPANET, the forerunner of the modern Internet. She is considered the first head of state to have used electronic mail.

Damn, that's pretty cool on both counts.

@Dan8267, I wanted to ask you about the comment I've quoted below. I missed what it was based on, and wonder if you have a link?

Dan8267 says

no one can be as homophobic as CIC without being a repressed homosexual.

If you had said Fap33/Bap33 or Fortwayne/Forthood, I would certainly agree. Regarding CIC, though he says occasionally crazy things to criticize President Obama, I hadn't noticed much of a pattern other than trolling two of my favorite commenters into extraordinary flame wars. (Trying to understand those is a bit like trying to understand WWI. It's possible to identify villainous acts and legitimate grievances, but the reactions get sometimes over the top, and people wonder what was it all for.)

curious2 says

Good article, nice guy, but consider. Where he refers to "a Muslim nurse," for example, try substituting "a nurse who is a smoker." Would that be an argument in favor of smoking, or against restrictions on smoking? Of course not. Restrictions on smoking are not "tobacco-phobia," they are simply recognition that smoking kills people. ''Cigarettes are the only legal product that when used as intended cause death," and Islam is the only religion that combines Old Testament violence with New Testament global missionary proseletyzing. Considering that Muslim terrorists have killed more Americans than all other terrorists combined in the last 50 years (at least), while comprising only 1% of the population, the concern is not a phobia.

how did I miss this? Right on.

Ironman says

what type of psycho puts someone on ignore, then goes and starts an attack thread about them?

Marcus, who also uses the screen name "humanity", and refuses to get vaccinated against influenza even when schoolchildren are dying from H1N1.

curious2 says

@Dan8267, I wanted to ask you about the comment I've quoted below. I missed what it was based on, and wonder if you have a link?

Dan8267 says

no one can be as homophobic as CIC without being a repressed homosexual.

CIC is obsessed with Georgie's Alibi, a typical restaurant/bar in Fort Lauderdale that is supportive of gay rights and marriage equality. It's not actually a gay bar. If it weren't for the rainbow flags, you wouldn't distinguish between it and any other place like Brewskis or Miler's Ale House or a thousand other inside/outside bar restaurants. I went there a total of three times in my life. The first two times were with coworkers while I was working in Fort Lauderdale. The third time was to prove to all PatNet that CIC is a coward who would not show up to a public place after begging like a slut for my home address.

I picked Georgie's just on the million to one chance he did show up. I knew he was a major bigot and homophobe and I'd love to expose his vileness in public. If he had shown up and acted like he does on PatNet, there's a damn good chance he would offend the wrong person and get the crap kicked out of him and I'd post the video on YouTube. Of course, the coward chickened out like he always does.

Nonetheless CIC is obsessed about this place and mentions it in every third post he makes. I'm thinking he's fantasizing about all the gay stuff he imagines goes on at the place like men screwing on the tables. He's even written about these fantasies on PatNet. Again, the actual restaurant is no different from any other south Florida bar restaurant except for the rainbow flags, and that's mostly just solidarity. Yes, many gay people support the business, but so do a lot of straight people. It has good food, strong drinks, and a relaxed atmosphere, and you can eat lunch outside pretty much all year round. But that's common in South Florida so it's not at all special.

CIC is also obsessed with homosexuality, bringing it up pretty much at the drop of a hat, any hat, no matter how irrelevant it is to the conversation. He tries to insult people by calling them gay, which is like trying to insult people by calling them blue-eyed when they are not. Am I suppose to think that having blue eyes is bad?

He also gets really upset when I say he must be a repressed homosexual to be so obsessed about it, much like Fort Wayne. This just makes me even more suspicious.

I've always said, the more sexually repressed a society or an individual is, the more perverted and self-loathing it is. CIC and the Middle East are perfect examples of this principle.

curious2 says

Marcus, who also uses the screen name "humanity"

Sounds appropriate.

www.youtube.com/embed/F54rqDh2mWA

Dan8267 says

CIC is obsessed with Georgie's Alibi, a typical restaurant/bar in Fort Lauderdale that is supportive of gay rights and marriage equality.

AFAIK, he never mentioned the place until you offered to meet him there.

Dan8267 says

CIC is also obsessed with homosexuality, bringing it up pretty much at the drop of a hat, any hat, no matter how irrelevant it is to the conversation. He also gets really upset when I say he must be a repressed homosexual to be so obsessed about it, much like Fort Wayne.

Fortwayne/Forthood did that many times, and when I started pointing it out with links to prove it, he put me on Ignore because he couldn't handle the truth. CIC/Ironman just keeps on trolling, which seems to be a hobby for him: once he gets a rise out of someone, he tries to reel in whoever took the bait.

Dan8267 says

He tries to insult people by calling them gay, which is like trying to insult people by calling them blue-eyed when they are not.

I agree, but it seems like you've maybe done that to each other. I return to the WWI metaphor: using chemical weapons is bad, mkay? Once both sides have joined in that exchange, it gets complicated trying to sort out who started it or escalated it to its ultimate extent. Several users have asked both of you to end the flame war.

curious2 says

AFAIK, he never mentioned the place until you offered to meet him there.

True, but as soon as I told everyone it was a gay friendly restaurant and that if CIC had shown up, he'd make an ass of himself there anyway, CIC hasn't stopped talking about it.

curious2 says

I agree, but it seems like you've maybe done that to each other.

Most of my insults towards CIC revolves are bestiality, necrophilia, incest, and him being a 50 cent whore working out of New Jersey turnpike rest stops. And I'm pretty sure at least two out of those four things are true.

Would a, FUCK YOU! be too abrasive as response to all threads & comments?

HEY YOU says

Would a, FUCK YOU! be too abrasive as response to all threads & comments?

Not creative enough. If you are going to insult someone, put a little effort into it.

I don't know how anyone could think anything bad of you. They might not agree with your opinions on things, but I don't see how anyone can argue that your ideas aren't well thought out and well-communicated. You seem to always keep your cool no matter how rude someone else is to you. I've never seen you engage in petty verbal sniping. Perhaps some people simply feel insecure around such an obviously highly intelligent person. So they lash out and call you a troll... Or perhaps I'm never on the site when you go into Hyde mode. But I've been here a long time. It seems statistically unlikely that I wouldn't have caught you just once as Mr. Hyde, if it were in your nature to be so.

You forgot to add your fondness of posting naked pictures of your gay, fat, old boyfriends from Georgie's.

Those are your selfies.

Ironman says

You can be the judge.

CIC fantasizes that Georgie's is like the Blue Oyster from the Police Academy films with men screwing each others on the tables. Reality is much more boring. And being gay is not a prerequisite to have lunch there. It's not like they check.

That's one swinging orgy.

It's pretty sad if you are so insecure about your own sexuality that the above images frighten you.

turtledove says

I don't know how anyone could think anything bad of you.

Only the weak minded who cannot justify their positions do. There's actually only a few trolls on PatNet, but they the most vocal members.

The thing is, you can completely disagree with someone and still not be an ass, but America is soooo polarized today that it's impossible to talk about politics or religions without someone making it into a war. Of course, this is why places like PatNet are needed in the first place. You really can't talk politics today except anonymously online.

Dan8267 says

CIC fantasizes that Georgie's is like the Blue Oyster from the Police Academy films with men screwing each others on the tables.

It's not the sex that's disturbing, it's the lethal gossip.

With CIC, it's always the sex that is disturbing, at least to the farm animals.

FortWayne says

Gay marriage

Well that didn't take long. I had wondered why militant closet case Forthood cared about whether landlords allow pets. He and his church twisted his pathetic brain so badly against itself that even a city council meeting about landlord/tenant issues and pets, with no mention of homosexuality whatsoever, reminds him of gay marriage. His own loveless marriage, retching in a cloud of flatulence, makes him so miserable that he can only dream of renting an apartment. Maybe the only thing holding him back is a loyal dog, who wouldn't be allowed in a rental. Those pesky liberals never stop trying to help him, but he's determined that they can't save him from himself.

Yep, both CIC and FortWayne, and Bap33 back when he was still on this site, bring up homosexuality in every thread no matter how irrelevant. They are all obsessed with the subject. Not even openly gay people think about homosexuality as much as those three.

The all wet cuckold chooses to Ignore me, so I can't reply to his latest misleading post, which is about an artist who claims to have been punched by a Republican.

@Patrick, how is it free speech to say that he can block a clearly relevant comment on "his" post to your forum, but I can't even relocate a clearly off topic comment from "my" post? It looks like a double standard favoring those who choose Ignorance.

Anyhoo, I will reply here, and link to his misleading post.

The all wet cuckold posted a photo of a woman who had got a bruise, probably caused by someone else in a way that should not have happened. What seems to upset him though is not that it happens all the time especially among Muslim populations, but rather that the motive in this particular case was allegedly not Islam but rather because she had made fun of a Republican candidate.

Our "allies" in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia would have executed her if she had made fun of their prophet, and killed anyone who said she should be spared, because that is what Islam commands them to do. It is official government policy there, as per Sharia, which more than 80% of Muslims in Pakistan support.

Meanwhile, in Bangladesh, which has a secular government (thanks to the Soviet Union) but a Muslim majority, she would have been hacked to death by vigilantes who would never be prosecuted.

Instead, because she is in a country that has not yet imported too many Muslims, her allegations will be investigated and if substantiated the assailant will be arrested and prosecuted. BTW, we don't even know how she got that bruise, she might have been beaten by a Muslim as per Islam and turned it into a chance to achieve international fame as a purported martyr in the jihad against the only candidate who speaks candidly about Islam. (Honorable mention to Hillary Clinton for acknowledging that lethal terrorism "is clearly rooted in Islamic thinking," though her past policy decisions have tended to unleash more of it, for example in Iraq, Libya, and Syria.)

curious2 says

BTW, we don't even know how she got that bruise, she might have been beaten by a Muslim boyfriend as per Islam and turned it

She might have been viciously dick slapped by Jesus or even Trump himself. Without video, we will never know.

I guess this Trump supporter (assuming the story is true) is kind of like Muslim light. I wonder what that makes Trump.

YesYNot says

Without video, we will never know.

Thanks, your comment prompted me to read more about the story and update my comment.

She said that on April 29 she "was punched in the face by a man who got out of his car and yelled 'Trump 2016!' in Los Angeles In a follow up post and image of her bruises on Monday, Gore urged anyone who 'saw anything on La Cienega on Friday' to come forward and speak with police.
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The artist said her attacker fled the scene and is yet to be caught, but that she filed a detailed police report after the incident."

I hope LAPD will find the assailant.

HydroCabron says

his Mormon background taught him

...the similarities between Joseph Smith's Moronic Cult and Mahamed's fraud. Smith seems possibly to have modeled his own life and doctrine on Mohamed's. The polygamy, prohibiting alcohol, raising a private army, massacring infidels, self-deification, etc. Luckily, once Smith began building his own private army and threatening his neighbors, they had the good sense to kill him and drive his deluded followers out of the country. Romnesia's Moronic Cult has prioritized campaigning against marriage equality since the 1970s, including Prop H8. It doesn't surprise me at all that a Moron would want more Muslims in this country.

It saddens me though that the two fastest growing religions on earth are Morons and Muslims. Ultimately, neither can tolerate the other, so they'll have to battle it out at Armageddon or everywhere.

Anyhoo, I'm replying here because the all wet cuckold Ignores me, as he Ignores all facts that might trigger his drug-induced psychoses.

curious2 says

Our "allies" in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia would have executed her if she had made fun of their prophet, and killed anyone who said she should be spared, because that is what Islam commands them to do. It is official government policy there, as per Sharia, which more than 80% of Muslims in Pakistan support.

what a fucking moronic statement. If somebody gets assaulted, it doesn't matter, because in other countries shit is worse?

curious2 says

Instead, because she is in a country that has not yet imported too many Muslims, her allegations will be investigated and if substantiated the assailant will be arrested and prosecuted. BTW, we don't even know how she got that bruise, she might have been beaten by a Muslim as per Islam and turned it into a chance to achieve international fame as a purported martyr in the jihad against the only candidate who speaks candidly about Islam.

wow, you are a huge bigot, in addition to being remarkably stupid. the fact that someone like you is even alive, basically proves to me there is no benevolent god. A true god would never create anything so crappy as you. Ticks, mites, lice I can understand. you, no.

dumbass says

bigot

LOL - look up that word, including its etymology. You're so deluded you don't even know what you're saying. It applies to the majority of Muslims though, because they believe in replacing our system of man-made laws with Sharia, which they claim (absurdly) isn't man-made. They would cut off your head, even if they have to pull it out of your posterior first, because Islam commands them personally to do that.

dumbass says

moronic...wow, you are a huge bigot, in addition to being remarkably stupid. the fact that someone like you is even alive, basically proves to me there is no benevolent god. A true god would never create anything so crappy as you. Ticks, mites, lice I can understand. you, no.

Nominated.

So piggy CIC is now "Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses"? Not a surprise. Could tell that guy was a dumb ass with a small prick right away.

Tenpoundbass says

I would have created a Healthcare system from education to staff the Government hospitals, where the staff have to work to pay off their Medical degree.

That is how Mexico achieves 90% lower costs in the medical, dental, and vision sectors. It would take a generation to implement here, although it could go much faster if we allow people with degrees from Mexico and India (among other places) to practice here. Instead, we got NAFTA for the manufacturing sector, and protectionism for the medical sector, so we see lower wages and higher costs.

YesYNot says

Do you have a link for what Stein said about the pipeline?

Here, @YesYNot.

PatNet has a thread on the pipeline deals. Dr. Stein is correct about this issue, but the all wet cuckold chooses to Ignore the reported facts and attack instead with sarcasm. As the map tweeted by Dr. Stein shows, the two proposed pipeline routes are:
1) Sunni: Persian Gulf -> Saudi Arabia -> Jordan -> Syria -> Turkey -> Europe
2) Shia: Persian Gulf -> Iraq -> Syria -> Mediterranean, then either by ship to Europe or subsea pipeline under the Mediterranean via Cyprus, Greece, and then Italy.
Contrary to misleading tweets in the all wet cuckold's thread, the Tabriz–Ankara pipeline does not connect the Persian Gulf gas fields to Europe, nor even Turkey. Tabriz is nearer the Caspian Sea than the Persian Gulf.

The purposes of the wars and sanctions are (1) to preserve Saudi Arabia's market share, and (2) to spread Islam by pumping Sunni Muslims into NATO countries. Libya could have piped gas under the Mediterranean Sea to Italy, but Hillary's War prevented that; today, the Libyans can't secure enough of anything to compete with the Clintons' Saudi sponsors. That was likewise the purpose and effect of the Bush/Clinton wars and sanctions against Iraq.

Thanks @curious2 . That was interesting.

I decided to move this comment here to avoid bringing down the tone of the thread in which it appeared originally.

anonymous says

Hope we are not losing all the female members here.

Overall pageviews seem to be down, probably active Users are down too. Patrick has chosen to go in a dark direction, "The Joy of Triggering." It has drawn at least one Nazi; an anti-semitic, racist loser; a closeted troll who overcompensates by calling everybody "faggot", and other assorted obnoxiousness. Gary has returned, more delusional than ever, now crusading for Islam, not only in Israel but worldwide. Not much fun to be around. I'm sort of waiting for AF/DBOAPD to put the place out of its misery, but meanwhile it limps along, with the diarrhetic tovbot on auto-pilot as if nothing had changed.

Thanks C

What's he building in there?

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

If CNN cared about journalism, they’d hire Rosie O’Donnell to show up at White House briefings naked, smeared in transmission fluid to bark these questions two inches from the nose of Melissa McCarthy imitator Sean Spicer.

AF, America and CNN are in crying need of your leadership. With you at the helm, CNN would soar to #1 network. Meanwhile, we have to make do with old movies:

www.youtube.com/embed/Fj5k6toS7i8

Dan8267 says

He no longer exists.

Even early Christians disagreed whether Jesus lived as an actual person, and Paul seems to have believed he didn't, and some of the epistles officially attributed to Paul do not appear to have been written by Paul. There is no proof other than some of the other Gospels that contradicted Paul. Christianity as received results from Constantine imposing the religion upon Rome, and requiring therefore a uniform doctrine. Implying Jesus walked as a person is therefore endorsing a religious view with neither scientific basis nor theological unanimity.

YesYNot says

just any guy says

Let me also add that the uninsured tend to use the ER because they have to be admitted. The ER, on average, costs 5x that of a normal doctor visit.

That was a big driver that was expected to lost costs when the aca lowered the number of uninsured. Common sense tells you that the benefit is long term, while the cost is front loaded. That's too much nuance for a national debate though.

@YesYNot, if Democrats got you to believe that, then they fooled you with a lie. Romneycare was enacted years before Obamneycare, and the numbers from Romneycare disproved the Democrats' claims on that point among others. Emergency hospitizations and spending (AKA revenue to the patronage networks that wrote the legislation) went up, not down. At the national level, when Obamneycare hit with full force in 2014, spending (patronage revenue) increased while life expectancy flatlined. The following year, spending/revenue increased again, while life expectancy fell. It isn't about nuance, it's about lies. Calling lies "nuance" is the sort of organizationspeak that can grease the wheels in some circuits, but it doesn't change what they are.

I'm replying here because I'm not interested in the ad hominem thunderdome stuff, and I'm making an effort to adjust SIWOTI management by addressing specific comments individually rather than the people who wrote them.

curious2 says

the numbers from Romneycare disproved the Democrats' claims on that point among others.

I'm open to real proof on this topic, but your post didn't discuss the time issue. Frankly, I don't have the time or inclination to research it myself. Here's what I would consider a nuanced discussion:

1) When discussing the total US yearly money spent on health care after passage of the ACA, I'd like to see it plotted on a curve that showed the trajectory of yearly expenses before the ACA. It was growing unsustainably beforehand, so the real interesting question is how that was changed.
2) The ACA extended both preventive care and acute care to people who didn't get it previously. The preventive care should add cost in the first X number of years. After a long enough time, one would expect that the preventive care should reduce the number of emergency visits. How many years should this take? I haven't seen any analysis of it.
3) There should also be an increase in costs due to people with newfound insurance getting treated for things that they had been letting go (call it deferred maintenance). This should go down over time. How long should that take?
4) There are a lot of excess charge expenses due to people not understanding that they should avoid the emergency room. If it was favorable to avoid this, it could be addressed through education. On the other hand, these excessive charges are just the emergency rooms spreading the costs of keeping the doors open from the true emergencies to the people who should get treated elsewhere (who shouldn't go to the ER from a microeconomics perspective). So, if people did learn to avoid the ER unless it is absolutely necessary, then the prices for true emergencies would probably go up as ERs try to stay afloat.

These are not things that I've been told to think. It's just what I can think of offhand while thinking about this topic. I've not seen any evidence in your post or elsewhere that really gets to the bottom of these questions.

Where you and I may agree on more is that a lot of tests probably do more bad than good. Many tests tend to show problems that end up causing unnecessary procedures, when these problems would have been fine if left untreated. More people having too many procedures is not a good thing. That's a problem that ideally would be addressed soon, but isn't central to the issue of who pays what and how for health care, IMO.

YesYNot says

Frankly, I don't have the time or inclination to research it myself... I'd like to see it plotted on a curve...

The federal actuaries at CMS.gov published a 10-year projection table showing that Obamneycare would increase total national expenditure faster and higher than prior law. I've linked it at least twice on PatNet. It was a table though, not a curve, and since you seem immune to data, I don't feel any inclination to plot the numbers on a curve for you. As for the hospitalization numbers in Massachusetts, those were widely published at the time and subsequently, they're easy to find.

Predictably, you don't even bother asking the right question: why do hospitals charge so much more for the same services; the answer is because they can, due to lobbying and influencing government at all levels. There is no reason for stitches at an American hospital to cost more than anywhere else in the world: it's the same thread, the same technique.

YesYNot says

These are not things that I've been told to think. It's just what I can think of offhand while thinking about this topic.

Of course. That is essential to how the conditioning and hypnosis game works, though I do suspect some petrodollar influence along with your Muslim grad student(s). As with Podesta's brother being a highly paid agent of a foreign power, it is essential that you maintain the illusion of having thought of your opinions on your own.

Yes, excessive diagnostic testing leads to unnecessary procedures. So-called "preventive care" does not save money, and most of it doesn't even extend life expectancy (except a narrow subset of mammograms, age 50-70 IIRC). The rest of it is about maximizing revenue, and it operates as designed. Expecting it to reduce costs in the long run is like seeing the light at the end of the tunnel in Viet Nam: it's an oncoming train.

curious2 says

It was a table though, not a curve, and since you seem immune to data

curious2 says

Predictably, you don't even bother asking the right question:

curious2 says

Of course. That is essential to how the conditioning and hypnosis game works,... it is essential that you maintain the illusion of having thought of your opinions on your own.

Gee. That was fun. We should do that again sometime.