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Heraclitusstudent
2015 Nov 20, 11:41am
It is possible that YouTube and instantaneous internet is as responsible as the zealotry of religious conviction for their sociopathic behavior.
I think it is clear that the violence or atrocities committed in the name of Islam are nothing new. They were largely committed against the muslims themselves and their immediate surroundings (like their slaves).
The reason why it didn't appear to be a problem is because the standards of moral were so much lower globally than they are today in western societies. Everything the texts recommend was perfectly ok in the dark ages, and it probably compared favorably to the kind of things that were happening in these times. What the Holy inquisition did in Europe was certainly no better.
But now you have have western liberal societies and we don't accept this kind of crap.
Now you also have globalization. Internet or not, they are confronted to different people, and radically different ideas, much more than they were in the past. And so this is a cause for conflicts, identity crisis, and falling back on base beliefs.
So ask yourself, should we blame the existence of the modern world?
Or should we blame the very ideas that are at the center of the evil actions taking place all over the world?
banning ME refugees
outright banning is a bad idea and plays right into ISIS hands. Limited immigration to people who can actually produce something and people who aren't averse to women being in the workplace would be a start.
Not dumping them in places where they could ghettoize would be a second part of that.
Another thing, why can't they set up refugee camps policed by the US and NATO in Syrian territory?
ossible that YouTube and instantaneous internet is as responsible as the zealotry of religious conviction
Maybe the western world knows more about it now because of YouTube but this zealotry has been there a long time.
If they didn't go to Germany to commit violence what in their intent is the basis of your complaint?
They may or may not commit violence in the future but they certainly don't seem to be grateful to be out of Syria
http://www.ibtimes.com/whats-life-syrian-refugees-germany-2083610
27 Bodies found in Mali Hotel.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/20/mali-hotel-attack-gunmen-take-hostages-in-bamako-live-updatesIt's all about Palestine and Jobless Algerians in France.
What does that have to do with attacking the Radisson blu....oh, you mean that's an AMERICAN hotel. Ok gotcha, protesting jobs in France by attacking an American hotel. Makes total sense
Should we stitch a crescent on their shirts as we allow them into the US the way the do to Hindus and Sikhs in Afghanistan?
Ask anybody from the Balkans, they can tell you about the Islamic History that wasn't covered in US or English Schools.
yes, the problem is ignorance by people who only get info from the mainstream media in the US.
Impressive. Resorting to Nazis.
You know that means you don't have a leg to stand on, right
you mean like that guy who was asking trump if he 'beats his wife' ?
On Thursday, Yahoo News published an interview in which Trump seemed to assent to reporter Hunter Walker’s suggestions of requiring Muslims to register in a database or giving them a form of special identification attached to their religion. Walker wrote:
I'm not necessarily a trump supporter but that's nothing more than innuendo. Trump said no such thing, but he also didn't deny it. Does that mean he wants to mark muslims the same way Jews were marked in Nazi Germany?
What about the Afghanis who make Hindus and Sikhs wear badges....very nazi indeed...Taliban has some distinct Nazi tendencies, done in the name of 'protection'
if fear and hate is all we've got, it could make the problem worse.
I can agree with that..
MisdemeanorRebel
2015 Nov 20, 12:39pm
They may or may not commit violence in the future but they certainly don't seem to be grateful to be out of Syria
Have you seen these? Given the traditional "oatmeal porridge" breakfast of Finland - by the same Government Contractor who provides school and elder care home breakfasts - this is how "refugees" react.
Heraclitusstudent
2015 Nov 20, 1:08pm
I'm talking about non-Jihadis who are non-violent and refuse to abandon scriptural infallibility. They refuse both to commit violence and to condemn the religious basis of Jihadi violence. They, as all religious conservatives, distinguish between the evilness of violence and the blessedness of scripture and have no trouble at all dissolving the intellectual conflict between them.
All these are very abstract ideas. What you need is show them the pictures of atrocities and ask them "look. This was done because of the rule written here. Do you agree with that? You're on youtube btw."
Evilness of violence and the blessedness of scripture coexist only because it all stays very vague, abstract and hidden. You need graphic pictures. In their face.
Again these people do not have their noses rubbed into the consequences of their beliefs on a regular basis.
You are basically saying: we can't criticize ideas because of "scriptural infallibility". That's a little bit too easy of a way out. Not one person really believe these texts for every single word because it would lead to absurdity. The most conservative christian would probably not agree that eating shell fish is an abomination, but it is written. "scriptural infallibility" is certainly not a practical barrier for people - even conservatives - to reject ideas. There is no reason to assume it is a barrier that should prevent us from fighting bad ideas.
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Good discussion here.
On the one hand we will not convert 1+B of Muslims to atheism overnight.
On the other liberals need to do more to call out evil and not tolerate intolerance, and fight medieval thinking in the realm of ideas.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/_7u_n5MpuNg
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