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Dan says:

"Honey, different people want different things and have different attitudes about life and different values. Your generalizations are vague and not applicable to all people. But there are a few things that do apply to all people:
- nobody wants to be fucked by a porcupine
- nobody wants to be in pain and bad health
- nobody wants to be hungry
- and fucking nobody wants to be poor

If I have to explain that to you then your mother should be arrested for repeatedly dropping you as a child."

No bitch, that is not how it works...

Well that was such a "convincing" argument, there's no point in continue this conversation.

Dan8267 says

A good economic system would make full use of the human resources available to it

Not if the human resources don't want to participate in it. I see able bodied young people every day in the library, using their laptops and the library's computers pursuing their interests--one couple has so many belongings they should pitch a tent. You can't tell me they don't have the mental capabilities to hold down a job if oriented in the right direction. It's just that they live in a society that permits them to live at the very bottom of subsistance and that apparently suits them. They would behave the exact same way if they lived in the Netherlands.

P N Dr Lo R says

Not if the human resources don't want to participate in it.

That excuse doesn't apply to America. Millions of Americans with part-time jobs want full-time work, can't find it

Roughly a quarter of the more than 26 million people working part-time in the United States want a full-time job but can't find one, a reality that has left those workers struggling to pay their bills, according to a new study.

That's a failure of capitalism that results in a GDP that's far lower than it should be. That means the government has to tax YOU more to make up for the tax revenue lost to underemployment.

For Many Americans, 'Temp' Work Becomes Permanent Way of Life

With full-time work hard to find, these workers have built temping into a de facto career, minus vacation, sick days or insurance. The assignments might be temporary — a few months here, a year there — but labor economists warn that companies’ growing hunger for a workforce they can switch on and off could do permanent damage to these workers’ career trajectories and retirement plans.

“It seems to be the new norm in the working world,” said Kelly Sibla, 54. The computer systems engineer has been looking for a full-time job for four years now, but the Amherst, Ohio, resident said she has to take whatever she can find.

There are a lot of perverse incentives for employers to use temps.

Another failure of capitalism.

The real unemployment rate is now about 10% down from a peak 17% shortly after Bush's dismal failure as a president.

Another dismal failure of capitalism. Any decent economic system would keep productivity high and constant with little variation. The supporters of capitalism have extremely low standards.

Other estimates of the real unemployment rate include workers so discouraged that they have given up hope of being employed again even though they desperately want to be. Shadow Stats estimates this unemployment metric to be about 23% as huge sections of the workforce have been permanently laid off and no replacement jobs have been created.

Again, this is a failure of capitalism, plain and simple. The owner class have a perverse incentive to reduce productivity in order to reduce worker bargaining power in order to siphon a greater portion of the economic pie, a pie that the owner class contributes nothing to making.

Dan8267 says

Not if the human resources don't want to participate in it.

That excuse doesn't apply to America.

It's not an excuse, it's a way of life regardless of where they live.

Dan8267 says

Millions of Americans with part-time jobs want full-time work, can't find it

And this would change how under Clinton or Sanders? When their plans call for spending into eternity?

Dan8267 says

The owner class

And which class would you prefer?

P N Dr Lo R says

It's not an excuse, it's a way of life regardless of where they live.

It's an excuse you are making up to condone the failures of capitalism to address systemic poverty, high unemployment, and low productivity.

P N Dr Lo R says

Dan8267 says

Millions of Americans with part-time jobs want full-time work, can't find it

And this would change how under Clinton or Sanders? When their plans call for spending into eternity?

We weren't talking about Clinton or Sanders, but our economic model.

If you want to evaluate the candidates, then it's this simple. Sanders is the only candidate who actually has the interest of the American people in mind rather than his own career, fame, or self-interest. However, even Hilary Clinton is better than any republican candidate. The republican candidates are pure evil and destructive. The quality of life of 99% of Americans would fall under any of the republican candidates, and many lives would be needlessly killed under their chicken-hawk war mongering.

The worst thing to happen to the American middle class was Ronald Reagan. Sanders would start the healing process from the damage Reagan inflicted upon America.

P N Dr Lo R says

Dan8267 says

The owner class

And which class would you prefer?

I would prefer an economic system that rewards innovation, productivity, and progress over one that rewards parasitic control over resources. Such a system, by definition, would not be capitalism or communism. Such a system has not been named yet, but I don't care what it is called. I care about how the system works. As long as you treat economics like a religion instead of like an engineering discipline, you will never understand this.