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their demographics suck
People always say this, but I think that flat or slowly declining population is not so bad in the long term. Especially when the ethnic composition remains constant. All countries will eventually have to face this "problem." Japan, being one of the first to deal with this issue, may find itself with a competitive edge at some point.
Also, what will happen when due to advances in bio engineering the human life expectancy increases n-fold? Birth rate restrictions or population explosion.
And people wonder why their economy is bad
not too bad actually
and think how much worse our unemployment would be if we had a $100B/yr defense expense not $600B . . .
we spend $1800 per capita on defense, they spend $300 . . .
what made the bubble harsh was that "jingle mail" isn't possible in Japan. You stamp your name on the contract, you owe the money.
and during the bubble they had intergenerational loans, too.
Damn, it took 20 years though.
i don't think they're done. maybe it's going to be another 20 years down.
With the low birth rates and the anti-sex attitude among both young men and women, I suspect you are correct. A declining population causes lower housing prices.
However, that's a good thing. Japan was way overcrowded.
not too bad actually
and think how much worse our unemployment would be if we had a $100B/yr defense expense not $600B
I was talking about Japan, but I disagree that military spending is good for the economy. It's wasteful and mostly non-productive and counter-productive. That money could be spent providing education for all, creating far greater benefits.
That money could be spent providing education for all, creating far greater benefits.
Sure, but if we cut $500B/yr out of the DOD, much of the US would get a lot, lot worse. That's around 10 million jobs straight away.
Then remove those 10 million jobs from local economies and see how many other jobs are then lost.
Then run the next round further out.
Our entire economy would nosedive like 1929-33.
Japan actually substitutes a rather aggressive public works program for defense, so they have a nicer place to live than us, mostly.
Damn, it took 20 years though. What a waste of time and money for an entire generation.
And people wonder why their economy is bad. Ransacking an entire generation's income prevents that generation from consuming which in turn causes lower productivity,
As Patrick said, Japan's demographics suck, but has anyone argued yet that the biggest cause of the Japan demographic baby-bust was their immensely stupid housing bubble?
I think that may be the long-term effect in the US as well. Except we are not an island with strict border controls.
With the low birth rates and the anti-sex attitude among both young men and women, I suspect you are correct. A declining population causes lower housing prices.
I highly doubt there is an anti-sex attitude among men. You know better than that, Dan. The problem is that Japanese young women have completely priced themselves out of the market.
In fact, the same thing is happening in the US and all Western countries. Come to think of it, I think it would be descriptive to say there is a chick-bubble. A bubble with insane prices and very low sales volume. And low inventory. Nothing on the market. You read it here first!
I think it would be descriptive to say there is a chick-bubble. A bubble with insane prices and very low sales volume. And low inventory. Nothing on the market.
LOL! That's exactly right - nothing new and unused is available.
But they think you should pay new prices for used and road-worn! It's like getting a "new" car and finding other people's hair and boogers on the floor because they've been letting random guy friends drive it whenever. But feminism tells women they should act like men, and so they do. That repulses men, and the women wonder why, never questioning the feminist bullshit which is actually fatal for their own marriage prospects and happiness.
Female chastity is a traditional virtue for a reason.
Sure, but if we cut $500B/yr out of the DOD, much of the US would get a lot, lot worse. That's around 10 million jobs straight away.
Then remove those 10 million jobs from local economies and see how many other jobs are then lost.
The same could be said about cutting welfare and unemployment benefits.
Furthermore, spending that $500B/yr to hire teachers instead of soldiers would be far better for the economy. At least with education you get better workers and all the benefits you are claiming from warfare spending without any of the counter-productive, economy-destroying effects of warfare.
So if you're going to have the government run a massive jobs program, it's should be jobs that do useful work like increasing the skills of the next generation or repairing and upgrading our infrastructure. Hell, it would be better if instead of spending $500B/yr on war, we spent that money tearing down ghettos and replacing them with good housing that we give to the poor. Again, all the benefits of a jobs program plus real economic productivity and none of the negatives of warfare.
^yup, not disagreeing with you, just saying the $500B *more* than we spend vs. Japan is how we keep our economy going for the surplus people, partially.
It's part of Sander's program to divert this spending into more wealth-accreting investments I suppose.
And that's what we should be doing, like you said.
If you could take all the money -- not just money but labor and resources -- we incinerated in the mideast since 2001 we'd have a fucking nordic utopia here, 15 years on.
We're talking trillions and trillions, and all the labor and capital that buys.
I highly doubt there is an anti-sex attitude among men. You know better than that, Dan.
I look at evidence, not preconceived notions, to determine the truth. Like it or not, the evidence counters what you believe.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex
A survey in 2011 found that 61% of unmarried men and 49% of women aged 18-34 were not in any kind of romantic relationship, a rise of almost 10% from five years earlier. Another study found that a third of people under 30 had never dated at all.
Aoyama cites one man in his early 30s, a virgin, who can't get sexually aroused unless he watches female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers.
39.1 percent of women and 36.2 percent of men said they do not want a romantic partner.
http://www.businessinsider.com/half-of-japanese-people-arent-having-sex-2015-7
According to a 2011 report from Japan's population center cited by Max Fisher at The Washington Post:
• 27% of men and 23% of women aren't interested in a romantic relationship
• From ages 18 to 34, 61% of men and 49% of women aren't involved in a relationship
• From ages 18 to 34, 36% of men and 39% of women have never had sex
Ansari brings up the figure about young women not being into sex in his book with a host of other scary statistics, writing, "In 2013 a whopping 45 percent of women aged 16 to 24 ‘were not interested in or despised sexual contact,’ and more than a quarter of men felt the same way."
A quarter of young men "not interested in or despising sexual contact" is indicative of something seriously fucked up.
^yup, not disagreeing with you, just saying the $500B *more* than we spend vs. Japan is how we keep our economy going for the surplus people, partially.
It's the worst possible way to "keep the economy going" and is no justification given the enormous number of better alternatives. Even paying criminals to commit crimes and cops to catch them would be less destructive.
I highly doubt there is an anti-sex attitude among men. You know better than that, Dan.
I look at evidence, not preconceived notions, to determine the truth. Like it or not, the evidence counters what you believe.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex
Dan, I have already seen tons of articles like the ones you linked to. I should have mentioned that in my comment. I thought everyone knew that your links represent the the standard narrative about sex in Japan. My view is that the standard narrative in the mainstream media (MSM) often is very far from the truth, and that this is a case in point. Sorry I made you waste time on digging up links.
>>• 27% of men and 23% of women aren't interested in a romantic relationship
This just means that the gap between buyer and seller, so to speak, is too high. It is not that they are not interested.
This just means that the gap between buyer and seller, so to speak, is too high. It is not that they are not interested.
Aoyama cites one man in his early 30s, a virgin, who can't get sexually aroused unless he watches female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers.
There's something fucked up going on.
A quarter of young men "not interested in or despising sexual contact" is indicative of something seriously fucked up.
They call it 'herbivore boys'
https://discoverjapannow.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/who-are-japans-grass-eaters/
The problem is that Japanese young women have completely priced themselves out of the market.
Got any links expressing this?
It's wasteful and mostly non-productive and counter-productive. That money could be spent providing education for all, creating far greater benefits.
We still live in a bad bad world. If it wasn't for defense, we would be speaking Arabic.
The Germans couldn't get 2 dry boots on our soil after declaring war on us.
The camel jockeys would have a markedly harder time crossing the Atlantic.
Unless by "we" you mean Israelis or something.
They call it 'herbivore boys'
https://discoverjapannow.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/who-are-japans-grass-eaters/
My favorite part is where it quotes Einstein saying that “information is not knowledge.†You seem to stare into the tea leaves of FRED data, but emerge mainly with confirmation of what you wanted to see there.
The Germans couldn't get....
We still live in a bad bad world. If it wasn't for defense, we would be speaking Arabic.
If it weren't for the military industrial complex, there wouldn't have been terrorist attacks on Americans. Learn you history. Start by Googling Eisenhower study military oil regimes.
If it weren't for the military industrial complex, there wouldn't have been terrorist attacks on Americans.
Typical liberal naiveté. Dan you are really losing it man. You might as well blame a victim for being a victim at this point.
There's something fucked up going on.
Are Japanese men, merely a poor version of Rin, meaning one who's too bored (or annoyed) of dating but doesn't have the cash flow to bonk hoes? Unlike America, seeing hoes in Japan is perfectly acceptable.
The SFBA is full of average to ugly looking women
Fashion challenged for sure.
Dressing up in New York: Wearing the latest fashion
Dressing up in SF: wearing a patagonia hoodie.
(From Guardian newspaper) Aoyama cites one man in his early 30s, a virgin, who can't get sexually aroused unless he watches female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers.
A journalist can always find an outlier that supposedly "proves" their point and fits the narrative they are trying to construct. That does not mean the narative is true.
There's something fucked up going on.
That I agree with.
The problem is that Japanese young women have completely priced themselves out of the market.
Got any links expressing this?
search: economics of marriage in japan
http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2015/12/09/moving-beyond-marriage-in-japan/
Discussions of sex in Japan typically spotlight the extremes of the social landscape: from the hypersexualised (2D girlfriends, hug cafes, erotic manga) to the sexless. Gender is skimmed with reference to ‘herbivore men’ and ‘parasite singles’. But beyond the salacious and the superficial, sex and gender are topics that demand careful consideration from Japanese policymakers as well as scholars.
This declining trend in Japanese marriage rates reflects socioeconomic barriers, such as economic insecurity and underemployment, as well as differing perceptions of marriage and marriageability between men and women. The qualities that make individuals marriageable and marriage-minded — along with the circumstances in which prospective partners meet — have shifted considerably since the post-war period.
Note: "Marriagebility" is a euphemism for "women demanding more than they deserve".
search: economics of marriage in china
http://www.npr.org/2013/04/23/176326713/for-chinese-women-marriage-depends-on-right-bride-price
Most young men getting married in China today are expected to fork out, often providing an apartment, sometimes a car and a betrothal gift, too. Things were much easier when his parents got married four decades ago.
We still live in a bad bad world. If it wasn't for defense, we would be speaking Arabic.
Defense is irrelevant when your president is happily inviting them in by the tens of thousands.
Every mosque is a base for propagation of hate and planning of attacks. That is the nature of Islam.
We still live in a bad bad world. If it wasn't for defense, we would be speaking Arabic.
If it weren't for the military industrial complex, there wouldn't have been terrorist attacks on Americans. Learn you history. Start by Googling Eisenhower study military oil regimes.
LOL. Thank God you're not the President.
If it weren't for the military industrial complex, there wouldn't have been terrorist attacks on Americans.
Typical liberal naiveté. Dan you are really losing it man. You might as well blame a victim for being a victim at this point.
Hey Dan, I thought you said you aint a pot head.
If it weren't for the military industrial complex, there wouldn't have been terrorist attacks on Americans.
Typical liberal naiveté. Dan you are really losing it man. You might as well blame a victim for being a victim at this point.
Calling your opponent naive is not a counter-argument. No wonder you like Trump. You're as dumb as he is.
(From Guardian newspaper) Aoyama cites one man in his early 30s, a virgin, who can't get sexually aroused unless he watches female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers.
A journalist can always find an outlier that supposedly "proves" their point and fits the narrative they are trying to construct.
Oh, there are many examples of such fucked up shit in Japan, especially revolving around Anime and video games.
There's no dearth of examples.
Dan, once sex robots are actualized, I'll be joining these Japanese men. Between now and then, it's hoes!
Oh, there are many examples of such fucked up shit in Japan, especially revolving around Anime and video games.
You can find some people with strange proclivities in any population larger than 100 people. That does not tell you anything. Some of the more sensational stories are mostly sensational because the twist is a little different than what you would find in Western countries. The fact remains that most Japanese men are not or would not be having strange behaviors in this realm if the female half of the population was not making sexual relationships very difficult to obtain.
The fact remains that most Japanese men are not or would not be having strange behaviors in this realm if the female half of the population was not making sexual relationships very difficult to obtain.
You could also blame Japanese men for being clueless about what women actually want. They probably listen to what women say, which is about the worst thing you can do.
Send them over to Reddit Red Pill and tell them to start lifting.
Dan, once sex robots are actualized, I'll be joining these Japanese men. Between now and then, it's hoes!
These men are gonna end up in a psychiatric ward. This is by means normal behavior.
You can find some people with strange proclivities in any population larger than 100 people.
I think Japan is slightly outside the bell curve.
Dan, once sex robots are actualized, I'll be joining these Japanese men.
Sex bots are not the future. It would be cheaper and a better (more addictive and thus more profitable) experience to have virtual sex through a subscription model app that directly stimulates neurons in your brain. Why build robots or a holodeck, a one-time sale, when you can get customers to pay per view. Customers will also prefer the infinite variety that a pure software solution provides. This is how business works today. You don't sell a product. You sell a service. It's more profitable. Plus it's harder for people to copy your intellectual property.
It would be cheaper and a better (more addictive and thus more profitable) experience to have virtual sex through a subscription model app that directly stimulates neurons in your brain. Why build robots or a holodeck, a one-time sale, when you can get customers to pay per view. Customers will also prefer the infinite variety that a pure software solution provides. This is how business works today. You don't sell a product. You sell a service. It's more profitable. Plus it's harder for people to copy your intellectual property.
Sign me up!
Then I can retire in Boston and enjoy my Celtics and not have to relocate to Australia, where brothels are legal. Granted, I'll spend much of Dec to Feb over there, to avoid the major northeast snowstorms but that's enough of a snowbird experience, to make me a happy man.
You can find some people with strange proclivities in any population larger than 100 people.
I think Japan is slightly outside the bell curve.
I can agree with that. But the real question is WHY? And that is the question I have attempted to answer in this thread.
I can agree with that. But the real question is WHY? And that is the question I have attempted to answer in this thread.
Here's why ... America is inflicted by Puritanism. Men are suppose to fall in love, date, marry, and procreate. When men, meaning ones with the right degrees (see engineering, law, medicine, MBA, etc) and careers (white collar mainly) oppose it, they are deemed as misfits, weirdos, etc. This is the situation I face today, where I'm the only person of my peer group, who isn't actively dating or settled down.
In Japan, however, without the Church of Oliver Cromwell imposing his will upon the the masses, men are freer to choose their sexual destinies; instead of dating a primadonna/control freak ... how about seeing hoes, or RealDolls with some anime porn?
And thus, Japanese men would rather indulge their inner fantasy life than in dealing with society as a whole. In a way, I'm not too different except that proper American society forces me to at least pretend to play the game, so that I can be a successful person in the financial services industry.
Rin,
You have it All Figured Out, everyone's motivations, etc.
You sure?
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