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What about all the jihadi killings in non western countries and before 1950s?

Multiple causes, but America's policies of stealing resources and setting up puppets has greatly increased terrorism and threatened our national security.

The prime cause of a problem does not have to be the first cause of the problem.

It's so much easier if they are evil, and we just have to go kick their ass.

Even now you blame America? moron

FortWayne says

Even now you blame America? moron

No. I blame you and the assholes in our military who made bad decisions.

Real Americans like us liberals who oppose using violence to steal resources carry no blame. However, assholes like you are most certainly to blame for harming America through foolish and morally bankrupt policies.

The people on the TV said that they hate us for our FREEDOMS. Get with the program! We have more freedoms than anyone else in the world. GO USA!!!

Dan8267 says

Real Americans like us liberals who oppose using violence to steal resources carry no blame

Yet you consume those stolen resources. And guilt free too.

We bomb their countries with drones, then are surprised when they bomb us back...

Bruessles is doubly stupid in that they have committed troops/resources to attacking these countries, while KNOWINGLY hosting terrorist refugees from same countries.

You don't need to be a lib/conserv to have common sense. You people who insist on labels are as bad as the whiny college pukes.

Dan8267 says

America's policies of stealing resources

It was American technology that developed their resources:

"Negotiations for an oil concession for al-Hasa province opened at Jeddah in March, 1933. Twitchell attended with lawyer Lloyd Hamilton on behalf of SOCAL. The Iraq Petroleum Company represented by Stephen Longrigg competed in the bidding but SOCAL was granted the concession on 23 May 1933. Under the agreement, SOCAL was given “exploration rights to some 930,000 square kilometers of land for 60 years”. Soon after the agreement, geologists arrived in al-Hasa and the search for oil was underway."

"SOCAL set up a subsidiary company, the California Arabian Standard Oil Company (CASOC) to develop the oil concession. SOCAL also joined forces with the Texas Oil Company when together they formed CALTEX in 1936 to take advantage of the latter’s formidable marketing network in Africa and Asia.

"When CASOC geologists surveyed the concession area, they identified a promising site and named it Dammam No. 7, after a nearby village. Over the next three years, the drillers were unsuccessful in making a commercial strike, but chief geologist Max Steineke persevered. He urged the team to drill deeper, even when Dammam No. 7 was plagued by cave-ins, stuck drill bits and other problems, before the drillers finally struck oil on 3 March 1938. This discovery would turn out to be first of many, eventually revealing the largest source of crude oil in the world. For the king, oil revenues became a crucial source of wealth since he no longer had to rely on receipts from pilgrimages to Mecca. This discovery would alter Middle Eastern political relations forever."

"In 1943, the name of the company in control in Saudi Arabia was changed to Arabian American Oil Company (ARAMCO). In addition, numerous changes were made to the original concession after the striking of oil. In 1939, the first modification gave the Arabian American Oil Company a greater area to search for oil and extended the concession until 1949, increasing the original deal by six years. In return, ARAMCO agreed to provide the Saudi Arabian government with large amounts of free kerosene and gasoline, and to pay higher payments than originally stipulated.

Beginning in 1950, the Saudi Arabian government began a pattern of trying to increase government shares of revenue from oil production. In 1950, a fifty-fifty profit-sharing agreement was signed, whereby a tax was levied by the government. This tax considerably increased government revenues. The government continued this trend well into the ‘80s. By 1982, ARAMCO’s concession area was reduced to 220,000 square kilometers, down from the original 930,000 square kilometers. By 1988, ARAMCO was officially bought out by Saudi Arabia and became known as Saudi Aramco."

The 1973 Arab-Israeli War

"This conflict was also known as the Yom Kippur War. This was a conflict between Egypt, Syria and their backers versus Israel. The conflict was the beginning of a troubling pattern of conflict between Israel and the Arab world. Because the United States was a supporter of Israel, the Arab countries participated in an oil boycott of Canada, Japan, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and the United States. This boycott later includes Portugal, Rhodesia, and South Africa. This was one of the major causes of the 1973 energy crisis that occurred in the United States. After the completion of the war, the price of oil increased drastically allowing Saudi Arabia to gain much wealth and power."

P N Dr Lo R says

Negotiations for an oil concession for al-Hasa province opened at Jeddah in March, 1933.

Dan8267 says

Back in the 1950s, then president Eisenhower commissioned a study to determine why the Middle East hates America. It's conclusion was that they hate us because we set up puppet governments to suppress them and steal their natural resources, and the study concluded that was exactly what we should do because it was in our economic and military interests.

I said Eisenhower's study was commissioned in the 1950s. The problem with our policies, of course, preceded the study.

Dan8267 says

I said Eisenhower's study was commissioned in the 1950s

P N Dr Lo R says

This discovery would turn out to be first of many, eventually revealing the largest source of crude oil in the world. For the king, oil revenues became a crucial source of wealth

P N Dr Lo R says

After the completion of the war, the price of oil increased drastically allowing Saudi Arabia to gain much wealth and power."

It sounds like our contributions amounted to a net gain for Saudi Arabia, hardly amounting to theft of resources.