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What about all the jihadi killings in non western countries and before 1950s?

Multiple causes, but America's policies of stealing resources and setting up puppets has greatly increased terrorism and threatened our national security.

The prime cause of a problem does not have to be the first cause of the problem.

It's so much easier if they are evil, and we just have to go kick their ass.

Even now you blame America? moron

FortWayne says

Even now you blame America? moron

No. I blame you and the assholes in our military who made bad decisions.

Real Americans like us liberals who oppose using violence to steal resources carry no blame. However, assholes like you are most certainly to blame for harming America through foolish and morally bankrupt policies.

The people on the TV said that they hate us for our FREEDOMS. Get with the program! We have more freedoms than anyone else in the world. GO USA!!!

Dan8267 says

Real Americans like us liberals who oppose using violence to steal resources carry no blame

Yet you consume those stolen resources. And guilt free too.

We bomb their countries with drones, then are surprised when they bomb us back...

Bruessles is doubly stupid in that they have committed troops/resources to attacking these countries, while KNOWINGLY hosting terrorist refugees from same countries.

You don't need to be a lib/conserv to have common sense. You people who insist on labels are as bad as the whiny college pukes.

Dan8267 says

America's policies of stealing resources

It was American technology that developed their resources:

"Negotiations for an oil concession for al-Hasa province opened at Jeddah in March, 1933. Twitchell attended with lawyer Lloyd Hamilton on behalf of SOCAL. The Iraq Petroleum Company represented by Stephen Longrigg competed in the bidding but SOCAL was granted the concession on 23 May 1933. Under the agreement, SOCAL was given “exploration rights to some 930,000 square kilometers of land for 60 years”. Soon after the agreement, geologists arrived in al-Hasa and the search for oil was underway."

"SOCAL set up a subsidiary company, the California Arabian Standard Oil Company (CASOC) to develop the oil concession. SOCAL also joined forces with the Texas Oil Company when together they formed CALTEX in 1936 to take advantage of the latter’s formidable marketing network in Africa and Asia.

"When CASOC geologists surveyed the concession area, they identified a promising site and named it Dammam No. 7, after a nearby village. Over the next three years, the drillers were unsuccessful in making a commercial strike, but chief geologist Max Steineke persevered. He urged the team to drill deeper, even when Dammam No. 7 was plagued by cave-ins, stuck drill bits and other problems, before the drillers finally struck oil on 3 March 1938. This discovery would turn out to be first of many, eventually revealing the largest source of crude oil in the world. For the king, oil revenues became a crucial source of wealth since he no longer had to rely on receipts from pilgrimages to Mecca. This discovery would alter Middle Eastern political relations forever."

"In 1943, the name of the company in control in Saudi Arabia was changed to Arabian American Oil Company (ARAMCO). In addition, numerous changes were made to the original concession after the striking of oil. In 1939, the first modification gave the Arabian American Oil Company a greater area to search for oil and extended the concession until 1949, increasing the original deal by six years. In return, ARAMCO agreed to provide the Saudi Arabian government with large amounts of free kerosene and gasoline, and to pay higher payments than originally stipulated.

Beginning in 1950, the Saudi Arabian government began a pattern of trying to increase government shares of revenue from oil production. In 1950, a fifty-fifty profit-sharing agreement was signed, whereby a tax was levied by the government. This tax considerably increased government revenues. The government continued this trend well into the ‘80s. By 1982, ARAMCO’s concession area was reduced to 220,000 square kilometers, down from the original 930,000 square kilometers. By 1988, ARAMCO was officially bought out by Saudi Arabia and became known as Saudi Aramco."

The 1973 Arab-Israeli War

"This conflict was also known as the Yom Kippur War. This was a conflict between Egypt, Syria and their backers versus Israel. The conflict was the beginning of a troubling pattern of conflict between Israel and the Arab world. Because the United States was a supporter of Israel, the Arab countries participated in an oil boycott of Canada, Japan, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and the United States. This boycott later includes Portugal, Rhodesia, and South Africa. This was one of the major causes of the 1973 energy crisis that occurred in the United States. After the completion of the war, the price of oil increased drastically allowing Saudi Arabia to gain much wealth and power."

P N Dr Lo R says

Negotiations for an oil concession for al-Hasa province opened at Jeddah in March, 1933.

Dan8267 says

Back in the 1950s, then president Eisenhower commissioned a study to determine why the Middle East hates America. It's conclusion was that they hate us because we set up puppet governments to suppress them and steal their natural resources, and the study concluded that was exactly what we should do because it was in our economic and military interests.

I said Eisenhower's study was commissioned in the 1950s. The problem with our policies, of course, preceded the study.

Dan8267 says

I said Eisenhower's study was commissioned in the 1950s

P N Dr Lo R says

This discovery would turn out to be first of many, eventually revealing the largest source of crude oil in the world. For the king, oil revenues became a crucial source of wealth

P N Dr Lo R says

After the completion of the war, the price of oil increased drastically allowing Saudi Arabia to gain much wealth and power."

It sounds like our contributions amounted to a net gain for Saudi Arabia, hardly amounting to theft of resources.

zzyzzx says

Enough with the Miss Me Yet, George W. Bush meme.

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"Don't listen to CNN..." "No guns or bombs..."

Also, evil France, Belgium, and Germany have shut down their borders until they get a grip on the situation.

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Dan8267 says

No. I blame you and the assholes in our military who made bad decisions.

PLEASE STOP the self-flagellation.
Belgium can hardly be blamed for its military and exploitative role in the middle east.
Arab Muslims always had hegemonic ambitions and do believe heaven will not come upon the earth until they conquer the world.
Were it not for Charles the Hammer you might be a Muslim devot bending over 5 times a day.

Dan8267 says

the Middle East hates America

Because that's what they do. Brussels has nothing to do with America, it's just Muslims being Muslims, they like to blow people up in the marketplace.

Heraclitusstudent says

Belgium can hardly be blamed for its military and exploitative role in the middle east.

No one has blamed Belgium.

P N Dr Lo R says

Because that's what they do. Brussels has nothing to do with America, it's just Muslims being Muslims, they like to blow people up in the marketplace.

Ignorant white-washing of your country's history is neither patriotic nor useful to protecting our national security. Thankfully, the people at the Pentagon are a lot smarter than you and have recognized that what they call blowback is a serious national security threat.

Hornets love to sting other creatures, especially those wacking their nests with a big stick. Learn cause and effect. It's in our national security interests.

Dan8267 says

Heraclitusstudent says

Belgium can hardly be blamed for its military and exploitative role in the middle east.

No one has blamed Belgium.

Yes ISIS did. And followed up with an attack.

Brussels is still safe. Around 30 people died in a tragic bombing today. It's still a very safe place to be.

In the US, 400 people die each year due to heat related stress: http://www.nrdc.org/health/climate/heat.asp That's > 100 people per month in the hot period. Global warming should be striking more fear than jihadi jock itch. Not that jock itch is not a problem.

Placing blame is not the point. The point is coming up with a good strategy to overcome terrorism. More bombing is probably not the solution, as indicated by the OP.

You're comparing one city to a nation of 320+ Million people.

YesYNot says

Placing blame is not the point. The point is coming up with a good strategy to overcome terrorism. More bombing is probably not the solution, as indicated by the OP.

One great method is to identify the characteristics of terrorists and exclude people with those characteristics from entering the area, and encouraging those already there to leave.

YesYNot says

Brussels is still safe. Around 30 people died in a tragic bombing today. It's still a very safe place to be.

Yeah everything is well, not worse than whether. Go back to sleep.

The problem with this is that this is just a symptom: a large fraction of the Belgian population that harbor extremist beliefs, hate western values, and want to impose shariah law. These people are strong in their beliefs. They thrive on chaos and conflict. They reproduce much faster than the host society. They use our liberties against us.
They live in a society that is weak in its beliefs. A society that is extremely reluctant to even admit that there is a problem, and willing to bend backward to accommodate them. (as you, Dan and others are doing now)

The logical result is a confrontation that can only grow, until we end up with a full fledged civil war, and if these people ever get their hands on a nuke, they will not hesitate one second to use it .

All this because regressive leftists, which should be the first to confront these ideas, are instead doing everything they can to accommodate them.

Just look at this thread: it's the fault of everybody else except the ideas and beliefs that actually led to this crime.

YesYNot says

Placing blame is not the point.

That's exactly the point. Placing blame on the failed politicians (who mandated this onto their own people often without consent) and charging them with treason. Without blame and consequences nothing is learned or gained. Start securing borders, building walls, culturally (and racially if necessary) profiling wrt to those most likely hostile towards you and your area will become a much safer place. This used to be common sense before progressive leftoid and globalist politics. Do you think Israel has been profiling just for shits and giggles? Why do you think Marin (even better Mill Valley) is ultra-homogenous with very little crime? Why do you think the Asians keep outer Sunset and outer Richmond SF neighborhoods tightly within themselves and maintain a very low crime rate compared to the rest of the city?

To solve the problem of Muslim terrorists in the world, you have to enlist the help of peaceful Muslims. Otherwise, we are just going to continue some holy war that most Americans don't want. Eventually, some terrorist will get a dirty bomb or worse. It would be nice to solve this issue before that happens.

Walling ourselves off would probably reduce terrorism in the short term in our country, but would exacerbate the wider problem, which our military would have to deal with anyway. It would also potentially cause problems for our economy due to energy concerns. If we threw out all Muslims or people who are children of Muslims and people from Muslim countries, it would present a humanitarian concern. If we kept all Muslim citizens in the country, it would cause resentment, and could potentially increase terrorism from domestic Muslims.

Dan8267 says

Ignorant white-washing of your country's history

That's the same principle Jeanne Kirkpatrick sounded over and over:

"When Marxist dictators shoot their way into power in Central America, the San Francisco Democrats don't blame the guerrillas and their Soviet allies. They blame United States policies of 100 years ago. But then they always blame America first."

"When our Marines, sent to Lebanon on a multinational peacekeeping mission with the consent of the United States Congress, were murdered in their sleep, the "blame America first crowd" didn't blame the terrorists who murdered the Marines, they blamed the United States. But then, they always blame America first. . . . The American people know better."

Dan8267 says

Learn cause and effect.

We already know that--Muslims love to bomb people in the public square, it happens every day. That's how they make their living.

YesYNot says

In the US, 400 people die each year due to heat related stress:

I'll take my chances with heat related stress, thank you.

Dan8267 says

your country

I guess it goes without saying that although you're a citizen now you'll never refer to America as "my country"?