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Soda is liquid candy. It's the worst thing you can eat or drink. It's pure empty calories. Yet Americans drink it like it was unsweetened tea or water.
Worst still, the main ingredient of soda is high fructose corn syrup, the single worse thing you can eat.
I'm a big fan of drinking tea. It's healthy and calorie free. And when you serve it ice cold, it's refreshing.
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Yea, the sugary drinks are probably the main culprit.
If all you ever drink is water/tea/lemon water, you can likely afford to not much worry about what you eat wrt to becoming obese. Relative to those that drink sugar liquids, you're saving yourself ~ 50g of sugar per serving. And 100% juice O.J. or pure apple juice, cranberry juice; their sugar is the same as a coca colas sugar. Fructose isn't a 'healthy' sugar.
the jury on protein is maybe (in to
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I don't think that it's the (animal) protein that is harmful, rather the type of CAFO protein that CAFO SAD'ers consume.
Its actually kinda hard to over eat animal proteins and fats. They are very satiating.
Agreed, but with protein drinks it is easy to overload. Also I'd avoid soy protein and opt for whey or casein instead.
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2016 Apr 6, 3:01pm
It surprises me again (you've posted that before, but I forgot) that they get enough vitamin c from meat.
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2016 Apr 6, 3:28pm
Fiber is indigestible to humans and not a requirement for life.
Being a requirement or not for life is not really an important question. Some miniscule amounts of omega 3 fat is required, but it is present in enough quantities in whole foods vegan or not. The only way to not get enough fat or protein or any specific amino acid is to strip fats and amino acids from food and eat the other parts. As for fiber, it's the one nutrient that the average American is deficient in.
thunderlips11 says
Grain products weren't consumed until the last "hour" of human existence only 12,000 years ago;
Grain residue has been found in tools that are 100K years old. Grass seeds have been eaten (from C12/C13 ratios) millions of years ago. Plants have toxins in them, but these may help our immune system. We clearly have evolved to digest starch better than our ape ancestors.thunderlips11 says
Nor were most fruits available most of the year.
I agree that animals provide a great storage mechanism for winter, and as I understand it, they helped humans expand into northern regions.thunderlips11 says
less palatable, less nutritious, and were far smaller than modern varieties.
Nothing that cavemen ate was as palatable as a nice restaurant meal. That's part of the obesity problem.
mell says
but it is much much smaller than the carb industry pushing sugar/HFCS into everything as well as the whole cereal/whole grain mafia
The food industry is huge, both at the cereal level and animal product level. Corn and soy are grown together, because soy helps fix nitrogen, which is needed in large quantity to grow corn. Corn and soy are used to grow meat as much as feed humans, so the Corn/soy mafia doesn't necessarily care what we eat. The high fat / low fat issue doesn't matter to them, though. If people want to drink low fat milk, then the dairy industry needs to find a use for the fat. So, they make a bunch of cheese, and then get the USDA to help figure out how to get people to eat it. Then, they have a bunch of whey left over, so they convince people that they need whey protein. The food and meat industry manipulated the guidelines to simple buzz words that they can use for marketing. I don't think that they care if it is low fat or low carb. In fact, the split into low fat and low carb people is perfect for the food industry, b/c it helps provide uses for all of the components of the food that is grown.
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2016 Apr 6, 3:29pm
Do any of you low carbers have good podcasts to listen to? I like hearing views that are contrary to my own, and podcasts are an easy way to do so.
MisdemeanorRebel
2016 Apr 6, 5:42pm
Grain residue has been found in tools that are 100K years old.
Perhaps I should have said "Regularly"
Not very meaningful because even in subtropical/tropical regions, ripe grasses are rare and only available for a few weeks here and there out of the year, and there was no long-term strorage ability. Judging by modern hunter gatherers they were a food of last resort, in fact, agriculture and the drying of the Near East 12,000 years ago are probably related.
Also, we know that when a culture began grain-based agriculture, their populations increased but their lifespans shortened along with their quality of life declining (arthritis not uncommon in 20s, probably assisted by repetitive motion injuries endemic to farming with hand tools; this is seen well into the Renaissance with farmers having bad hips, backs, wrists and knees from swinging scythes and bending over repeatedly; other degenerative diseases at a real early onset. Not seen in hunter gathers or nomadic herders).
Sadly, I used to listen to a few good podcasts a few years back, but can't remember the name of them.
Which is worse, being obese or voting against one's own interest?
Both could be changed.
FMTT! I'm expecting too much.
MisdemeanorRebel
2016 Apr 6, 5:45pm
The food industry is huge, both at the cereal level and animal product level. Corn and soy are grown together, because soy helps fix nitrogen, which is needed in large quantity to grow corn. Corn and soy are used to grow meat as much as feed humans, so the Corn/soy mafia doesn't necessarily care what we eat.
Unfortunately, corn and soy are being forced into marginal Savannah and arid areas better used for grazing, slash and burning rain forest, and cows and chickens should not be consuming nothing but grain seed. Cows should be eating a wide variety of green plant matter. Corn and Soy diets are horrible for cows, which is one reason (the other being close proximity) why they need to be injected with massive doses of antibiotics. It's "Too Rich" for them. In nature, wild bovines do not eat ripe corn kernals every day all year round.
The resulting meat contains less healthy fat, and the take over of grazing land by agriculture exhausts the soil or requires massive use of industrial fertilizers, which then runs off into the water supply. Just like farm-raised Tilapia isn't as good as wild, because of the monotonous soy pellet diet.
If we ate less corn and soy, most of Brazil would be lightly to moderately wooded Savannah where cattle grazing would improve the soil via widespread natural manure, and not strip planted for corn... while feedlot concentrated poop and fertilizer for the corn/soy complex runs into the rivers, killing the fish and other creatures that depend on them.
Domestic Cattle's origin is in forests and woods, not in flat plains. While the buffalo is famous for being on the plains, it was all over North America including in the marshes and forests. Hence Buffalo, NY which is not located on a flat grassy plain. Cattle can thrive on the undergrowth of forests; but corn and soy need full sun and tractors can't go through trees.
Warfarin needs to be monitored and adjusted regularly. It's easy to see how it can cause hospitalization when the dosage isn't adjusted frequently. Once a year doesn't cut it, and twice a year is probably inadequate for the very aged/sick
people dont always do it, but the diligent check it 1-2 times per month
but with protein drinks
are also far more insulogenic than eating solid-food based protein sources, since the protein in these drinks is easily absorbed. Best taken post-workout when insulin sensitivity is at it's highest
zzyzzx
2016 May 23, 11:35am
Fat Acceptance is the same thing as Diabetes acceptance, heart disease acceptance, early death acceptance, disgusting body acceptance. I don't care if you're fat, but don't try to tell me that there's nothing wrong with being fat. Being fat is unhealthy and disgusting.
Ceffer
2016 May 23, 12:10pm
If it takes a submarine and a tide chart to knock her up, you should probably shop elsewhere.
Heraclitusstudent
2016 May 23, 12:11pm
Big jump in carbohydrates, and mostly from sugar.
I suspect the sugar and trans (but not all) fats are the main culprit.
No one is getting fat on plain potatoes.
the relative 'goodness' of saturated fat, trans fat, sugar, pufas, and low fat.
It's carbs, and simple carbs.
How about quantities?
Too many people eat mindlessly, without being hungry.
Why do people hate American's right to be fat?
Which is worse being fat or voting D/R & destroying America.
How about quantities?
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Quantity shouldn't be an issue
It's quality that matters.
If quantity was the issue, then you should be able to lose weight drinking only a six pack of Coca Cola per day, while I should gain weight eating 3 eggs with half a lb of bacon for breakfast and an 10 oz ribeye well marbles with two sides of veggies every night for supper. The opposite is true, so quantity is not the issue.
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You don't necessarily need to read stories like the below to know that obesity is out of control. Just attend any social event - a concert, play, sporting event, and if you have walked the planet long enough to have a frame of reference, you know that there are a lot more fatties walking the earth. We have an overweight Democrat presidential candidate, an obese AG, we've even had an obese Surgeon General. Educated people that know better can't keep off the weight. Fat shaming is now a PC no-no, and we are witnessing a trend to consider obesity as normal. The question of the hour is - why is this happening? Why is obesity out of control?
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(CNN)The obesity epidemic has gone global, and it may be worse than most thought.
A new study in The Lancet says that if current trends continue, 18% of men and 21% of women will be obese by 2025.
In four decades, global obesity has more than tripled among men and doubled among women, the study says.
We have transitioned from a world in which underweight prevalence was more than double that of obesity to one in which more people are obese than underweight.
The paper compared body mass index trends from 1975 to 2014 in 200 countries.
Also notable:
• Odds are pretty high that your country has more obese people than underweight ones. More men were obese than underweight in 136 countries, and more women were obese than underweight in 165 of them.
• In 1975, 2.6% of the world's population was obese; in 2014, that number jumped to 8.9%.
• High-income English-speaking countries (Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States) account for more than a quarter of the world's severely obese people. Coming in second, though, are the Middle East and North Africa, which is home to 26 million severely obese people, or 13.9% of the world's severely obese population.
• Forty percent to 50% of women in several Caribbean and Middle Eastern countries are obese.
• Make way for China. In 1975, China was 60th and 41st for severely obese men and women, respectively. In 2014, it was second for both.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/01/health/global-obesity-study/