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Diversity harms societies, lowers mutual trust


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2016 Apr 4, 11:48am   47,958 views  162 comments

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http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/


The Downside of Diversity

From multicultural festivals to pronouncements from political leaders, the message is the same: our differences make us stronger. But a massive new study, based on detailed interviews of nearly 30,000 people across America, has concluded just the opposite. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam -- famous for "Bowling Alone," his 2000 book on declining civic engagement -- has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as...


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122   AmericanKulak   2023 Apr 29, 6:19pm  

richwicks says

I'm glad the USSR is dead, but I can entertain the idea that the US was actually helping the country at that time, although I'm probably being overly optimistic about that, considering Operation PBSuccess and Ajax.

I mentioned the 200-year monarchy to show that Afghanistan wasn't ALWAYS a hellhole of large antagonistic groups (though always had low level clan fighting) as claimed.

Forgot to mention the USSR poured huge sums into Afghanistan to extract resources as well in the 50s-80s and built pipelines to connect to their 'Stans in the North.
123   richwicks   2023 Apr 29, 7:09pm  

AmericanKulak says


I mentioned the 200-year monarchy to show that Afghanistan wasn't ALWAYS a hellhole of large antagonistic groups (though always had low level clan fighting) as claimed.


I cannot say I know much of anything about Afghanistan prior to the 1950's, and not much about it in the 1950's, but I do know the Taleban is basically the Mujaheddin. Our government creates bullshit problems in order to come up with bullshit solutions.

AmericanKulak says


Forgot to mention the USSR poured huge sums into Afghanistan to extract resources as well in the 50s-80s and built pipelines to connect to their 'Stans in the North.


Well, to be fair, Afghanistan had a communist government at the time and asked the USSR for assistance, the US frustrated this by funding and arming Afghan "freedom fighters".

The US wanted to get into Afghanistan, in part, to put pipelines through from the Caspian sea - that's PART of why the US invaded. I am not a fan of the Taleban, but just fucking do some negotiation for once, America! Just once. They'll spend TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS and killed 100's of thousands because they are too retarded to just negotiate.

All the US has to do is make an offer that is good enough, with the threat of military force. Instead, we lost Afghanistan entirely and there's no damned pipeline anyhow. Our government killed 3000 people in NYC and a few in DC and got NOWHERE. The pipeline could have been operating in 2005.

I know the Taleban aren't good chummy guys, nobody is but they're still in power. The entire thing was a triple distilled class A fuckup. I can't believe that the people that engineered this bullshit, are allowed anywhere near power. Their latest disaster is Ukraine. Russia is not going to be significantly weakened by this war, they are NOT going to try to end the war any time soon, they are going to draw it out, because fuck Europe, they've tried to work with Europe for 2 decades, and Europe is just a bunch of American cocksockers, so they wouldn't. It would be mutually beneficial for Europe and Russia to work together, but they won't because all that delicious NATO money and I'm sure all their "leaders" or bought off by the US.

Ukraine might be the end of NATO, it might even be the end of the EU.

Look, nobody trusts the United States anymore, if you don't realize that's a problem, it is. LOOK at our media, look at our politicians screaming "Russian disinformation" when truth comes out. Do you think China, India, and Russia aren't looking at this and laughing? Our government REGULARLY calls the truth "propaganda" and propaganda "fact checks".

This would work if they used it sparingly, but they don't, they use it constantly. Meanwhile, Russia doesn't even BOTHER with propaganda (that I'm aware of) - what does it matter? Propaganda won't win or lose the Ukraine war and it won't change US policy.
126   Patrick   2023 Jul 9, 12:55pm  

https://notthebee.com/article/please-enjoy-tucker-and-russell-brand-handing-out-redpills-about-architecture



As Tucker rightly points out, those buildings are beautiful because the people who built them were all related to each other or at least knew each other.

In a highly diverse society, no one gives a shit because they are not related to each other and probably don't know each other.
129   KgK one   2023 Aug 6, 8:01pm  

Not sure if Europe is diverse or homogeneous? Depends on how u look at it. Mostly white, n Christian but various language etc.

But they are at war pretty much all the time. Rome vs Germany
French vs England
Ww1
Ww2
May be ww3 now
130   richwicks   2023 Aug 6, 8:27pm  

KgK one says


May be ww3 now


Is it to the advantage of Europe, any country in Europe, to go to war with Russia?

I almost think NATO will be broken up, the American occupation of Europe will end (that is what NATO really is!), and Europe may align itself with Russia and leaving the UK out of it which is interesting, because this is the fictional map of 1984:



https://www.openculture.com/2018/01/a-map-of-george-orwells-1984.html - yellow areas are "disputed zones", basically in anarchy, or possibly free.

The UK will align itself with the United States.
131   Patrick   2023 Aug 31, 8:53am  


@VivekGRamaswamy

“Diversity” is not our strength. Our strength is what unites us across our diversity. Free speech. Self-governance. Meritocracy. TRUTH.


Boom! Another truth bomb from Ramaswamy.
132   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2023 Aug 31, 9:15am  

Patrick says


VivekGRamaswamy

“Diversity” is not our strength. Our strength is what unites us across our diversity. Free speech. Self-governance. Meritocracy. TRUTH.


Boom! Another truth bomb from Ramaswamy.


they all know the right thing to say, but they always do their donor biddings. its marketing of a candidate.
134   gabbar   2023 Oct 8, 6:36am  

Diversity works in favor of people who have money and power now, so they will support this agenda. But this is being spread in a toxic manner to the people (not the rich), there may be a better way for the rich to do this but this again depends on what is profitable. Imo
135   Patrick   2023 Oct 8, 9:16am  

Yes, diversity divides the public so that they cannot agree on anything.

And when the public cannot agree on anything, they cannot control the rich and powerful via democracy.

Democracy is supposed to be above any elite class, but it doesn't work if there is too much diversity.
136   AD   2023 Oct 8, 9:35am  

Yes it is more like tribalism

Truth over Tribalism

No more low standards, no more "math is racist", no more neo-Marxist policies, no more AntFa-style anarcho-tyranny

NO MORE !
137   gabbar   2023 Oct 8, 11:28am  

Patrick says


Democracy is supposed to be above any elite class, but it doesn't work if there is too much diversity.

And such nations descend into chaos and deceleration of societal and national progress (has not happened in our country so far, probably, from a financial standpoint, thanks to brrrrrrrr).
138   AD   2023 Oct 8, 11:45am  



139   GNL   2023 Oct 8, 12:43pm  

ad says





NEVER going to happen. Never.
140   Patrick   2023 Oct 8, 5:53pm  

I took a term of Yiddish in college. We read a poem in class, which I can't find online, but started something like this (in my bad transliteration of Yiddish):


Alle menschen seinen brider,
Veise, schwartze, gele, broyne.
S'iz and oysgetrachte meise...


All men are brothers,
White, black, yellow, brown.
It's a made up fairy-tale...

The poem was about how people of different races will never get along and we're each better off with our own people.
141   Ceffer   2023 Oct 8, 6:14pm  

If you haven't recorded your bloodlines all the way to Eve and the Snake, then you deserve what you get.
142   AD   2023 Oct 8, 6:41pm  

Patrick says

we're each better off with our own people.

.



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143   Patrick   2023 Oct 11, 4:51pm  

https://covidreason.substack.com/p/a-personal-note-on-the-battle-of


No one emigrated to France to become French. No one emigrates to Italy to become Italian. It used to be that people emigrated to America to become “American.”

That last part is important. That used to be the glue that held us together. I fear we’re losing that.

In short, the fastest growing demographic in the modern world is also the one most opposed to liberal democracies and republics. That’s a problem.


Muslims make Mexicans look good by comparison. Mexicans have their issues with crime and violence, but as a rule they don't want to kill you just because you are not one of them. So Europe has a bigger problem than we do.
144   Patrick   2023 Oct 12, 9:35am  

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1712457240517492869



... because it creates a pressure group inside each country that does that.
145   AD   2023 Oct 12, 10:31am  

Patrick says

... because it creates a pressure group inside each country that does that.


wonder how Woke and AntiFa here in USA would respond to this ... maybe say Kissinger is senile ...
146   GNL   2023 Oct 12, 10:46am  

It blows my mind how people don't inherently KNOW this.
160   Patrick   2024 Sep 1, 12:33pm  

https://barsoom.substack.com/p/malevolent-anal-distraction


Nair is explicitly conceptualizing DEI as a means of inserting a political police force whose task is to scrutinize nuclear facility personnel to ensure that only regime loyalists who think regime-approved happy thoughts are allowed near to the facilities. The idea that the primary threats to American nuclear infrastructure come from foreign adversaries is antiquated and racist; the real threat is now internal, posed by ‘domestic violent extremists’. ...

Just because someone looks foreign and speaks with an accent doesn’t mean that you should scrutinize them more carefully before letting them close to a nuclear reactor. It would be racist to operate on the assumption that Muhammed Al-Muhammed might be working for ISIS, or that Wang Wei could be an operative for the CCP. Conversely, just because James Jackson’s family has been in North Carolina since the 18th century and has fought in every war since the French and Indian is no reason to think he’s a loyal American.

In a sense, she isn’t wrong about this – this is an inherent complication introduced by mass immigration. A racially diverse population loses all external signifiers of belonging: neither appearance, nor language, nor faith can serve as a reliable in-group indicator. As the state peels away from the ethnic loyalties that once bound it together, it can no longer count on the default loyalty of its core population. The result is that everyone is under suspicion.
161   Patrick   2024 Sep 21, 8:58am  

https://nitter.poast.org/_kruptos/status/1835043090345734359


1. What is a “high trust society”?

There are two things working together. One operates beneath the surface, a kind of “spiritual” connection in which everyone understands the rules of society. Second, everyone can be trusted to follow them.

“Diversity” destroys this.



2. Why is this?

In theory, the idea of diversity seems grand. We will mix all kinds of people together with different idea and it will create a fantastic laboratory of innovation that will drive our society to new heights.

But it does not work this way.
3. Every culture has a language, a set of customs, the way things are done here. Many of them are unspoken and picked up intuitively. No one should have to tell you to return your shopping cart. This is a thing everyone knows. Or should know.
4. Languages, even cultural languages can be learned. But it takes time and often many of the subtleties are lost. Why does it seem perfectly natural — why did it seem natural — in Danish society to leave a sleeping baby outside, in their pram, while you go into a shop?
5. Maybe even the Danes themselves don’t know or never really thought about it. High trust societies work this way. It allows them to do what they do without a lot of energy being expended to explain every action, why we do things one way and not another.
6. Diversity, stresses this situation immediately. A small number can be dealt with graciously. But when large numbers of people come from outside the culture, now a tremendous amount of energy must be spent on cross cultural communication.
7. This is energy that isn’t being applied elsewhere. And when the numbers of increase to the point where you no longer have a dominant culture or one that is nominally dominant and you have a multi-factional society, the energy spent in cross cultural relations …
8. … starts to consume a significant amount of social energy.

In many cases, we are discovering, the cultural differences are significant. They are not just like us but with darker skin or a funny accent. There are real incommensurabilities. Bridges that can’t be crossed.
9. These can create real frictions. Because part of integrating into a new society means letting go of your old habits to embrace the ways of the new place, a kind of narrative and cultural suicide.

But what if this doesn’t happen?

Then tensions begin to mount.
10. And all those supposed innovations, all that energy that is supposed to come from diversity?

That is in many ways a myth. If people have already shed their home culture to embrace that of the “just do what works” technocrat, there is no cross cultural learning …
11. … because the people have already abandoned their own culture to become fungible cogs, technocrats in the machine. Or they are expending great amounts of energy putting on the mask of a good technocrat to play that role in society.
12. I am sure examples can be given of cross cultural innovations. It does happen. But on the whole, those innovations come at the expense of a whole range of downstream costs that society has to bear because it must grapple with all manners of people who don’t know the rules.
13. This is why you can never build a high trust society that is diverse and cosmopolitan, unless the diversity is a mere cosmetic thing, people look different but are culturally the same.

It is possible that great ideas can emerge in the cauldron of a cosmopolitan environment.
14. But it is just as likely, if not more likely, that in this same society you will live with constant tensions, frictions, and conflicts. It may be “dynamic,” but so is a pot that is about to boil over.
15. More likely in this situation is that there are a few who can operate well in this environment and do well for themselves, but for many of the average people, they much prefer to live in a well functioning high trust society.
16. “Diversity is our strength” is an idea that seems good in the abstract, but cannot be really instantiated because it runs against the fundamental nature of cultures and languages and what makes these work — an embedded, organic and unspoken connection between people.
17. It is this connection which is stressed, undermined or even lost in a multicultural context.

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