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Libbies gotta have their drug mules...

Trump's right again. How many natural born citizens killed someone with a car yesterday. Probably zero. We Mericans wouldn't do that. It's when you change the r to an x that it all goes south (no pun intended).

Since that was probably the only human fatality yesterday, well have to start looking to wildlife for more Mex perps. I bet the hit and run on this bear was a mexi-murderer
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/animalia/wp/2016/06/20/the-only-cub-of-americas-most-famous-grizzly-bear-was-just-killed-by-a-car/

YesYNot says

Trump's right again. How many natural born citizens killed someone with a car yesterday. Probably zero. We Mericans wouldn't do that. It's when you change the r to an x that it all goes south (no pun intended).

That's right, if we had prevented this repeat felon from entering the country, a nasty stale pale white male would have been assigned by Providence to hit the girl in a DUI.

The U.S. House of Rep/Con/Teas will do nothing as in defunding the govt.
until this hoard is stopped.
Their constituents use immigrant labor,including illegals?
Deport all immigrants so Redneckwhitetrash can pick their own produce,paint their house & landscape.
Republicans don't want to let Americans have good paying jobs.

Ironman says

100 people died yesterday in car accidents, 100 the day before that, 100 the day before that. 100 will die today, 100 will die tomorrow..... on and on...

That's why we need to ban AR-15's..... it's for the children!!

There should be a word for something so nonsensical that other non sequiturs seem to make sense. That way, I could respond to you efficiently.

He's just trying to find a better life where he can mow down people drunk with impunity.

Ironman says

There is, it's called "Liberal Logic".

When you can't figure out why smarter people disagree with you, complain about their fancy logic.

if trump had deported him, this would have never happened...

zzyzzx says

14 Year Old Girl Dies From Injuries After TWICE DEPORTED Illegal Alien hits her

So, if the foreigner were legal, he would not have killed the girl. Therefore, make all illegal aliens legal. Then they won't kill. After all, illegal alien status causes people to murder girls.

Look, I'm against net immigration as much as the next guy who thinks this planet is already way overpopulated for our technological level, but at least I admit I'm against net immigration. I don't pretend to be against "illegal immigration" as a way of hiding being against immigration. It would be trivial to make all illegal aliens legal. It would be trivial to document them all. The only reason some people use the term illegal alien is because they don't think they can make a socially acceptable argument for restricting immigration itself, which is what this debate is really all about.

As a result, both sides make ridiculous false statements and implications like the one in the original post. X has property y and x commits act a, therefore anyone with property y is likely to commit act a as a result of having property y.

Sure, the original post uses values y equals being an illegal alien and a equals killing people, but one can substitute any value that x has for y. Here's some examples starting with the original post's intended implication.

Contreras is an illegal alien who killed a girl, therefore we should banish all illegal aliens since they are likely to kill people as illegal aliens are apt to do.
Contreras is an adult male who killed a girl, therefore we should banish all adult males since they are likely to kill people as adult males are apt to do.
Contreras is a light-skinned person who killed a girl, therefore we should banish all light-skinned persons since they are likely to kill people as light-skinned persons are apt to do.
Contreras is a driver who killed a girl, therefore we should banish all drivers since they are likely to kill people as drivers are apt to do.
Contreras is a gun owner who killed a girl, therefore we should banish gun owners since they are likely to kill people as gun owners are apt to do.
Contreras is a Christian who killed a girl, therefore we should banish Christians since they are likely to kill people as Christians are apt to do.
Contreras is a conservative who killed a girl, therefore we should banish conservatives since they are likely to kill people as conservatives are apt to do.
Contreras is a Trump supporter who killed a girl, therefore we should banish Trump supporter since they are likely to kill people as Trump supporters are apt to do.

Notice a pattern? Of course, Contreras might not be all the things above, but we can certainly find an x that has any of the above properties and use it to falsely generalize about any group.

Now it may very well be that for some properties y, action a does logically follow since y does promote behavior a, but one must show some intrinsic relationship between property y and act a or you are just bullshitting. For example, there is no intrinsic relationship between getting into a car crash and being an illegal immigrant. There may be plenty of other reasons to deport people who legally or illegally immigrated to here, but reducing automobile fatalities is clearly not one of them. However, there is clearly a causal relationship between drinking and automobile fatalities. The presence of drinking does increase drunk driving which in turn increases automobile fatalities. So one could make the argument that either drinking or driving should be banned altogether. One could also make the argument that only the combination should be banned, but in either case there is at least an intrinsic relationship between the property being demonized, drinking, and the consequence we seek to avoid, automobile fatalities.

As such, I find the original post to be disingenuous. Unfortunately, this is a common tactic in the immigration debate and in other debates. Both sides need to grow a pair of balls and have the honest conversation about immigration no matter how uncomfortable and socially awkward and morally embarrassing that conversation should be. And that conversation will have to include what quotas to set and why, what is the criteria for determining who gets in, and what population controls should be placed on American citizens and residents including those who are not immigrants. And such a conversation should also deal with the political and economic goals our nation should have.

So let's get real on the discussion of immigration instead of making bullshit arguments like illegal immigrants threaten your children's lives by crashing into your car.

Oh, thank goodness the guy is an illegal, undocumented Mexican ! This can be publicized as another "I told you so" Trump moment.

WE need to find more of these stories. Good job ZZYZZX ! Way to go !

In California he would have at least had a driver's license and free rent.